Mike Pettine Time?
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Horton is over-hyped, to say the least. I'm glad he's gone.
How can you say Horton was over-hyped? Correct me if I'm wrong but was anyone predicting that in one year our new defense would pee all over the 85 bears or the steel curtain from the 70's? Was that what everyone was expecting? I'm sorry but can you please explain how Horton failed after just one year? How can you be glad that we're turning the scheme over.................again
How can you say Horton was over-hyped? Correct me if I'm wrong but was anyone predicting that in one year our new defense would pee all over the 85 bears or the steel curtain from the 70's? Was that what everyone was expecting? I'm sorry but can you please explain how Horton failed after just one year? How can you be glad that we're turning the scheme over.................again
I said on here when we brought Horton on board that I had concerns with him when his D gave up 58 points to Seattle in one game - definitely some Red Flags that panned out it seems.
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If this is true and Pettine is announced today, why not wait another 10 days and talk to Quinn? We've been dicking around this long, what is another week or so? It's not like Pettine was our first choice by any stretch, and I haven't heard his name come up with any other teams. Something tells me he'll be around in 10 days. The Bills were 6-10 last year and ranked 20th in defense. How is this a better hire than just promoting Horton?
If this is true and Pettine is announced today, why not wait another 10 days and talk to Quinn? We've been dicking around this long, what is another week or so? It's not like Pettine was our first choice by any stretch, and I haven't heard his name come up with any other teams. Something tells me he'll be around in 10 days. The Bills were 6-10 last year and ranked 20th in defense. How is this a better hire than just promoting Horton?
Bills were ranked 8th in total D.
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If this is true and Pettine is announced today, why not wait another 10 days and talk to Quinn? We've been dicking around this long, what is another week or so? It's not like Pettine was our first choice by any stretch, and I haven't heard his name come up with any other teams. Something tells me he'll be around in 10 days. The Bills were 6-10 last year and ranked 20th in defense. How is this a better hire than just promoting Horton?
Bills were ranked 8th in total D.
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How can you say Horton was over-hyped? Correct me if I'm wrong but was anyone predicting that in one year our new defense would pee all over the 85 bears or the steel curtain from the 70's? Was that what everyone was expecting? I'm sorry but can you please explain how Horton failed after just one year? How can you be glad that we're turning the scheme over.................again
I said on here when we brought Horton on board that I had concerns with him when his D gave up 58 points to Seattle in one game - definitely some Red Flags that panned out it seems.
I said on here when we brought Horton on board that I had concerns with him when his D gave up 58 points to Seattle in one game - definitely some Red Flags that panned out it seems.
I honestly hadn't heard of him before we brought him onboard. But we did, and our defense outperformed my expectations for a 1st year defense. There were some individual players that I feel didn't play to their contracts and if they had...people would be rioting for letting Horton walk out of Cleveland. Horton deserved a couple years to build a defense.
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Not in Points Allowed - in PA Buff was 20th.
I stumbled upon this website and as a Bills fan, FWIW, I'll give a little insight into this conversation.
Points allowed is not always the best stat to compare squads. I'm not sure where the stat is, but the Bills defense faced the highest number of opposing drives throughout the year in the entire league and allowed the least number of points per drive. Also, ranked 2nd in INTs and either 1st or 2nd in sacks.
We had an anemic offense and an awful special teams that allowed short fields to many teams.
In no way do I want to see Pettine leave the Bills. He re-worked our entire defense and ended up sending 4 players to the pro bowl, as well as a possible DROY (Alonso). Not to mention Leodis McKelvin and Jerry Hughes having the best seasons of their careers in his style. Injuries hampered a lot of the secondary throughout the year but he was still able to get results from his players. He has a very aggressive approach, bringing complicated blitz looks and heavy press-man coverage.
The only dig would be that our run defense did not improve much last year. Not to say that it was his fault, but that would be the only gripe with him.
Bills fans love Pettine and definitely do not way to see him leave.
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If this is true and Pettine is announced today, why not wait another 10 days and talk to Quinn? We've been dicking around this long, what is another week or so? It's not like Pettine was our first choice by any stretch, and I haven't heard his name come up with any other teams. Something tells me he'll be around in 10 days. The Bills were 6-10 last year and ranked 20th in defense. How is this a better hire than just promoting Horton?
Bills were ranked 8th in total D.
Bills were ranked 8th in total D.
Bills fan popping in, we were ranked 10th and gave up 20 points or more in 14 of 16 games blowing multiple 2 score leads. You guys came back and beat us with Weeden even, LOL.
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Not in Points Allowed - in PA Buff was 20th.
Ok?? Thats not total defense. Which was actually 10th, my bad.
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Bills fan popping in, we were ranked 10th and gave up 20 points or more in 14 of 16 games blowing multiple 2 score leads. You guys came back and beat us with Weeden even, LOL.
When did we blow multiple two score leads? You realize offense and special teams are also part of the game as well? Rookie QB (Manuel) goes down for several weeks and having to start two rookie QBs (Tuel and Lewis) with hardly any NFL experience really puts a lot of pressure on your defense...which kept them in several games when the offense did absolutely nothing.
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Not in Points Allowed - in PA Buff was 20th.
I stumbled upon this website and as a Bills fan, FWIW, I'll give a little insight into this conversation.
Points allowed is not always the best stat to compare squads. I'm not sure where the stat is, but the Bills defense faced the highest number of opposing drives throughout the year in the entire league and allowed the least number of points per drive. Also, ranked 2nd in INTs and either 1st or 2nd in sacks.
We had an anemic offense and an awful special teams that allowed short fields to many teams.
In no way do I want to see Pettine leave the Bills. He re-worked our entire defense and ended up sending 4 players to the pro bowl, as well as a possible DROY (Alonso). Not to mention Leodis McKelvin and Jerry Hughes having the best seasons of their careers in his style. Injuries hampered a lot of the secondary throughout the year but he was still able to get results from his players. He has a very aggressive approach, bringing complicated blitz looks and heavy press-man coverage.
The only dig would be that our run defense did not improve much last year. Not to say that it was his fault, but that would be the only gripe with him.
Bills fans love Pettine and definitely do not way to see him leave.
I stumbled upon this website and as a Bills fan, FWIW, I'll give a little insight into this conversation.
Points allowed is not always the best stat to compare squads. I'm not sure where the stat is, but the Bills defense faced the highest number of opposing drives throughout the year in the entire league and allowed the least number of points per drive. Also, ranked 2nd in INTs and either 1st or 2nd in sacks.
We had an anemic offense and an awful special teams that allowed short fields to many teams.
In no way do I want to see Pettine leave the Bills. He re-worked our entire defense and ended up sending 4 players to the pro bowl, as well as a possible DROY (Alonso). Not to mention Leodis McKelvin and Jerry Hughes having the best seasons of their careers in his style. Injuries hampered a lot of the secondary throughout the year but he was still able to get results from his players. He has a very aggressive approach, bringing complicated blitz looks and heavy press-man coverage.
The only dig would be that our run defense did not improve much last year. Not to say that it was his fault, but that would be the only gripe with him.
Bills fans love Pettine and definitely do not way to see him leave.
Reminds me of a Maddenism "If you want to win the game, you have to score more points than the other team." Points allowed are THE most important metric.
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Bills fan popping in, we were ranked 10th and gave up 20 points or more in 14 of 16 games blowing multiple 2 score leads. You guys came back and beat us with Weeden even, LOL.
Well we beat you with special teams and defense IMO. Weeden did have a nice TD bomb that game though.
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I stumbled upon this website and as a Bills fan, FWIW, I'll give a little insight into this conversation.
Points allowed is not always the best stat to compare squads. I'm not sure where the stat is, but the Bills defense faced the highest number of opposing drives throughout the year in the entire league and allowed the least number of points per drive. Also, ranked 2nd in INTs and either 1st or 2nd in sacks.
We had an anemic offense and an awful special teams that allowed short fields to many teams.
In no way do I want to see Pettine leave the Bills. He re-worked our entire defense and ended up sending 4 players to the pro bowl, as well as a possible DROY (Alonso). Not to mention Leodis McKelvin and Jerry Hughes having the best seasons of their careers in his style. Injuries hampered a lot of the secondary throughout the year but he was still able to get results from his players. He has a very aggressive approach, bringing complicated blitz looks and heavy press-man coverage.
The only dig would be that our run defense did not improve much last year. Not to say that it was his fault, but that would be the only gripe with him.
Bills fans love Pettine and definitely do not way to see him leave.
Reminds me of a Maddenism "If you want to win the game, you have to score more points than the other team." Points allowed are THE most important metric.
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Bills fan popping in, we were ranked 10th and gave up 20 points or more in 14 of 16 games blowing multiple 2 score leads. You guys came back and beat us with Weeden even, LOL.
Well we beat you with special teams and defense IMO. Weeden did have a nice TD bomb that game though.
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Then why does the NFL use yards per game as the metric? Just a guess but i think they know better than you.
Which would you choose? A Bills defense that allows 500 yards a game but only gives up 13 points per game OR a Bills defense that allows 200 yards a game but give up 24 points per game.
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Uh oh! Has the age of the "Bend but Don't Break" defense returned to Cleveland?
Lol, yeah, it would be fine if a hypothetical defense gave up 826yds per game and 0 points. The problem is, in reality, it doesn't happen that way. The record for longest FG was just broken this year. Sure, there are teams that are better and worse in the Red Zone and teams that have higher and lower turnover ratios, but, IN GENERAL, if you're giving up yards, you're giving up points.
By the way, if your defense is giving up 200 yards and 24 points per game, you have some nightmarishly bad special teams.
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Then why does the NFL use yards per game as the metric? Just a guess but i think they know better than you.
Which would you choose? A Bills defense that allows 500 yards a game but only gives up 13 points per game OR a Bills defense that allows 200 yards a game but give up 24 points per game.
Which would you choose? A Bills defense that allows 500 yards a game but only gives up 13 points per game OR a Bills defense that allows 200 yards a game but give up 24 points per game.
Too many factors go into points... short fields, special teams.... too many yards given up likely means time of possession is bad too.
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Bills fan popping in, we were ranked 10th and gave up 20 points or more in 14 of 16 games blowing multiple 2 score leads. You guys came back and beat us with Weeden even, LOL.
When did we blow multiple two score leads? You realize offense and special teams are also part of the game as well? Rookie QB (Manuel) goes down for several weeks and having to start two rookie QBs (Tuel and Lewis) with hardly any NFL experience really puts a lot of pressure on your defense...which kept them in several games when the offense did absolutely nothing.
When did we blow multiple two score leads? You realize offense and special teams are also part of the game as well? Rookie QB (Manuel) goes down for several weeks and having to start two rookie QBs (Tuel and Lewis) with hardly any NFL experience really puts a lot of pressure on your defense...which kept them in several games when the offense did absolutely nothing.
Against Atlanta in Toronto? The defense let the Falcons take over that game up until Chandler and Johnson blew it, we had a big lead and Atlanta scored 4 times in 5 possessions to take the lead away.
Plus, EJ getting hurt meant nothing. Thad Lewis was just as good and Tuel started off great vs. KC so whatever. The Bills were respectable on defense but come on now, we aint the freakin Seahawks!
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Pettine led the only defense to let Weeden beat them this year...so there's that. Buffalo allowed 37 points that game...to Weeden...let that sink in for a minute.
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Pettine led the only defense to let Weeden beat them this year...so there's that. Buffalo allowed 37 points that game...to Weeden...let that sink in for a minute.
Pettine led the only defense to let Weeden beat them this year...so there's that. Buffalo allowed 37 points that game...to Weeden...let that sink in for a minute.
I agree. Bill Belicheck let a Mangini led Browns team score 34 points on them in a terrible loss.
That means Mangini>Belicheck
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Pettine led the only defense to let Weeden beat them this year...so there's that. Buffalo allowed 37 points that game...to Weeden...let that sink in for a minute.
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Pettine led the only defense to let Weeden beat them this year...so there's that. Buffalo allowed 37 points that game...to Weeden...let that sink in for a minute.
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