"It's a passing league"
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@mike-h said:
All you assholes were sucking RG3's dick, wanting to move up to draft him. He hurt his knee and now moving up is taboo.
I support getting a good QB, not being a hypocrite.
No one here has the talent to say whether there's a QB "worth trading for" in this class. There is two QB needy teams ahead of the Browns. If they trade up to take the guy their professional scouts and management team decided on, you bend over and put some lipstick on.
If this is going to be the narrative for the next few months, I'm done reading this shit.
Thank you.
You take the guy you deem to be the best. If it requires a trade up, so be it. Hopefully it doesn't.
I was anti-Manziel for the longest time, but I can see the appeal and if our FO deems him to be the best QB available, then I'm okay with it.
This place is becoming a fucking joke. I literally skip past everyone's replies unless they're hoorta, spectral, Mik, tour, or yours.
More than half of this shit is just people screaming about stupid stuff that is, for the most part, immaterial. Oh, Manziel isn't as tall or as thick as you'd want? Oh, he's kind of a cocky dick off the field? Oh, you're worried about how he'll make the adjustment to the pro game?
Guess what, if Manziel were taller, thicker and a saint off the field...he'd be the number one overall pick. Every quarterback has inherent risks, if you sit around and wait for the perfect prospect, you'll be waiting forever.
You take the guy that has the most manageable flaws and the highest potential. But, more importantly, you take the guy you think is the best.
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Where did you read that it wasn't?
I didn't which is why I didn't comment either way. If someone knows it to be true or read it somewhere I would like to know. Your credentials are solid. I would acknowledge you are more plugged into the technical side of football than myself. So tell me TCPO
1) How do you compare Manziel to Hoyer
2) Do you believe Manziel is a better pick than Bortles?
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@mike-h said:
All you assholes were sucking RG3's dick, wanting to move up to draft him. He hurt his knee and now moving up is taboo.
I support getting a good QB, not being a hypocrite.
No one here has the talent to say whether there's a QB "worth trading for" in this class. There is two QB needy teams ahead of the Browns. If they trade up to take the guy their professional scouts and management team decided on, you bend over and put some lipstick on.
If this is going to be the narrative for the next few months, I'm done reading this shit.
this asshole was not sucking anybody's dick. i think i was claiborne or blackmon that year. forget which one. but definitely not RG3. now they look like bafoons. so you want us to look like that?
man you are close to turning into PoG with your QB man crush thing going on. hey now that we got a defensive guy as a head coach what if they take clowney if he's still there? oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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Lol at all the self proclaimed football geniuses... its like the end of the world when someone disagees with them. Its a fans forum or am i wrong? Start your own and weed out the regular fans with Retarded questions that only geniuses would know and then you guys can sit and stroke each others egos allday.
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Where did you read that it wasn't?
I didn't which is why I didn't comment either way. If someone knows it to be true or read it somewhere I would like to know. Your credentials are solid. I would acknowledge you are more plugged into the technical side of football than myself. So tell me TCPO
1) How do you compare Manziel to Hoyer
2) Do you believe Manziel is a better pick than Bortles?
I didn't which is why I didn't comment either way. If someone knows it to be true or read it somewhere I would like to know. Your credentials are solid. I would acknowledge you are more plugged into the technical side of football than myself. So tell me TCPO
1) How do you compare Manziel to Hoyer
2) Do you believe Manziel is a better pick than Bortles?
I think Manziel and Hoyer are similar in stature, Hoyer is an inch to an inch and a half taller, and 8-10 pounds heavier. They're comparable in size and stature. I would expect Manziel's playing height to be between 6'0 and 6'1 and his playing weight to be between 210 and 215.
I haven't fully analyzed enough tape on Manziel to make a judgment but from what I've seen so far, he has slightly above average arm talent and has the ability to push the ball down the field. His mechanics and footwork aren't ideal. Basically, he just plays backyard football. He's not technically proficient, he's not a student of the game, he's not a football genius, but he has tremendous instincts, amazing mobility, and an NFL caliber arm.
I honestly can't pick between Bortles and Manziel. I've been on the Bortles bandwagon since the beginning of the year and have the posts here to prove it, but Manziel and Bortles are two startlingly different quarterbacks. Without an OC, it's hard to determine who would be the best quarterback for us. In a McDaniels/Belichick style of the Erhardt-Perkins spread offense, I would rather have Manziel. In an Bruce Arians style, motion-heavy spread attack, I would rather have Bortles.
It just depends on who we hire.
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Lol at all the self proclaimed football geniuses... its like the end of the world when someone disagees with them. Its a fans forum or am i wrong? Start your own and weed out the regular fans with Retarded questions that only geniuses would know and then you guys can sit and stroke each others egos allday.
Lol at all the self proclaimed football geniuses... its like the end of the world when someone disagees with them. Its a fans forum or am i wrong? Start your own and weed out the regular fans with Retarded questions that only geniuses would know and then you guys can sit and stroke each others egos allday.
"Lol" at the idiots who are butthurt because their opinions are shit and their reputations even shittier.
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Lol at all the self proclaimed football geniuses... its like the end of the world when someone disagees with them. Its a fans forum or am i wrong? Start your own and weed out the regular fans with Retarded questions that only geniuses would know and then you guys can sit and stroke each others egos allday.
"Lol" at the idiots who are butthurt because their opinions are shit and their reputations even shittier.
"Lol" at the idiots who are butthurt because their opinions are shit and their reputations even shittier.
We can't all have a blog with 9 followers...
reputation lol on the internet even
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Add me to the list of replies you skip please.
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"Lol" at the idiots who are butthurt because their opinions are shit and their reputations even shittier.
We can't all have a blog with 9 followers...
reputation lol on the internet even
The one I stated a month ago that has over 10,000 views? Or the other website I write for that has 10x as many views? With the opinions you've posted on here, I'm sure you couldn't.We can't all have a blog with 9 followers...
reputation lol on the internet even
Don't worry, outside of this response you opinion means absolutely nothing to me or anyone else here. You'll fade out in another month or two just like the rest of the useless idiots who want us to trade for Tom Brady and sign Bill Cowher as HC.
I'm sure you're amazing at Madden, though, so congratulations.
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Ice Dawg19 said:
TCPO, I have to agree. And when I can't come to a conclusion on something, personally I do none of the above. If the draft was tommorrow, I think taking Watkins would be the smart thing to do. However, their is a lot of info that hasn't been processed yet. Between now and May will help sort more of this out.
The problem I have with that reasoning is that Watkins is equally as much of a question mark as Manziel. Take Tajh Boyd for example, he played on the same Clemson team against the same relatively weak talent year in and year out and he's proving that he's not nearly as high quality of a talent as people expected to be.
I think Watkins will have a solid career, depending on where he ends up, but he's not some sort of can't miss once in a lifetime talent. If anyone in this draft is a can't miss talent, it would be Clowney, and I have my reservations on him too.
This would be the year to make a play for a franchise QB. We have the playmakers for him to rely on and a solid enough offensive line for him to be protected. Regardless of what people want to claim, the offensive line finished 17th in the league in pass protection power rankings. Hardly the best, I'll agree, but it's not the same situation as Tim Couch, either.
From a cost-benefit standpoint, a QB would improve this team much more than a #2 WR would.
If he fails, Hoyer is still on the roster.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Manziel is faster, quicker, as accurate, and his arm strength may be better. Coaches and players say hes a football junkie in the film room and hes very competitive. So now his only flaw is size and off field concerns.Faster, Quicker in the QB position means nothing in the NFL. More accurate and arm strength is very debatable. College stats and performance means absolutely NOTHING in the NFL. He played behind one of the best Oline in College and also with one probably the most physical WR in college. He also plays in a spread offense that only requires him to make ONE read. There's going to be a big learning curve for this kid and i think his escape is going to be 'scrambling', taking off and running when he shouldn't.
Faster, Quicker in the QB position means nothing in the NFL. More accurate and arm strength is very debatable. College stats and performance means absolutely NOTHING in the NFL. He played behind one of the best Oline in College and also with one probably the most physical WR in college. He also plays in a spread offense that only requires him to make ONE read. There's going to be a big learning curve for this kid and i think his escape is going to be 'scrambling', taking off and running when he shouldn't.
I was going to compare Manziel to Michael Vick, who I consider the #1 rushing qb of all time- except he isn't. That honor still belongs to Randall Cunningham. Yeah there's a couple HOFers in the top 10 qb rushing club- most notably Steve Young & John Elway- but there's a lot of underachievers there too. Manziels style is no where near those previously mentioned .
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I can tell you've never seen Texas A&M play...
Yes, I have. Manziel's style is if his primary read isn't open, he runs around with reckless (more on that in a second) abandon scrambling until someone does break open, or takes off with his feet. The way he plants and twists to avoid pressure or hits is an open invitation for an opposing NFL linebacker to blow his knee out. Refer to MasterDog's clip if you don't believe me.
This article is pretty much what all the Manziel folks want to see...
But it's EXACTLY what will not work in the NFL.
The first GIF was a good example. There was NO ONE near him. He didn't need to dance around, in the NFL he will NOT have that much time.
The 2nd Gif the writer wanted us to see. He took off but his head never looked beyond the first read. Number 38 on the defense did not attack him. I'm pretty sure he would had easily gotten caught on that run at the pro-level.
Again, everything is about running around and 'improvising', you can improvise when you take snap behind one of the BEST Offensive lines in college. In the NFL you have best 3 seconds....
I think Manziel and Hoyer are similar in stature, Hoyer is an inch to an inch and a half taller, and 8-10 pounds heavier. They're comparable in size and stature. I would expect Manziel's playing height to be between 6'0 and 6'1 and his playing weight to be between 210 and 215.
I haven't fully analyzed enough tape on Manziel to make a judgment but from what I've seen so far, he has slightly above average arm talent and has the ability to push the ball down the field. His mechanics and footwork aren't ideal. Basically, he just plays backyard football. He's not technically proficient, he's not a student of the game, he's not a football genius, but he has tremendous instincts, amazing mobility, and an NFL caliber arm.
I honestly can't pick between Bortles and Manziel. I've been on the Bortles bandwagon since the beginning of the year and have the posts here to prove it, but Manziel and Bortles are two startlingly different quarterbacks. Without an OC, it's hard to determine who would be the best quarterback for us. In a McDaniels/Belichick style of the Erhardt-Perkins spread offense, I would rather have Manziel. In an Bruce Arians style, motion-heavy spread attack, I would rather have Bortles.
It just depends on who we hire.
Sandlot football doesn't work in the NFL TC- and you should know that. If Pettine wants smash mouth football- Johnny be Not So good isn't someone he's going to want. Look at the really great ones, Peyton, Brady, Brees. They decipher the defense, figure out who's likely to be open and get the ball to them quickly and on target, not scramble around like a.nut trying to make plays with your legs & maybe your arm. Probably the closest analogy in the NFL to Johnny Football is Kaepenic or Newton- but they're both way bigger, have better (IMHO) accuracy on the run, and when they scramble, it's in a far more controlled fashion. Honestly, my personal opinion I'd put Manziel as a top of second round talent. Top 5? He's nowhere near RGIII good pre-draft.
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Faster, Quicker in the QB position means nothing in the NFL. More accurate and arm strength is very debatable. College stats and performance means absolutely NOTHING in the NFL. He played behind one of the best Oline in College and also with one probably the most physical WR in college. He also plays in a spread offense that only requires him to make ONE read. There's going to be a big learning curve for this kid and i think his escape is going to be 'scrambling', taking off and running when he shouldn't.
I was going to compare Manziel to Michael Vick, who I consider the #1 rushing qb of all time- except he isn't. That honor still belongs to Randall Cunningham. Yeah there's a couple HOFers in the top 10 qb rushing club- most notably Steve Young & John Elway- but there's a lot of underachievers there too. Manziels style is no where near those previously mentioned .
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I can tell you've never seen Texas A&M play...
Yes, I have. Manziel's style is if his primary read isn't open, he runs around with reckless (more on that in a second) abandon scrambling until someone does break open, or takes off with his feet. The way he plants and twists to avoid pressure or hits is an open invitation for an opposing NFL linebacker to blow his knee out. Refer to MasterDog's clip if you don't believe me.
This article is pretty much what all the Manziel folks want to see...
But it's EXACTLY what will not work in the NFL.
The first GIF was a good example. There was NO ONE near him. He didn't need to dance around, in the NFL he will NOT have that much time.
The 2nd Gif the writer wanted us to see. He took off but his head never looked beyond the first read. Number 38 on the defense did not attack him. I'm pretty sure he would had easily gotten caught on that run at the pro-level.
Again, everything is about running around and 'improvising', you can improvise when you take snap behind one of the BEST Offensive lines in college. In the NFL you have best 3 seconds....
I think Manziel and Hoyer are similar in stature, Hoyer is an inch to an inch and a half taller, and 8-10 pounds heavier. They're comparable in size and stature. I would expect Manziel's playing height to be between 6'0 and 6'1 and his playing weight to be between 210 and 215.
I haven't fully analyzed enough tape on Manziel to make a judgment but from what I've seen so far, he has slightly above average arm talent and has the ability to push the ball down the field. His mechanics and footwork aren't ideal. Basically, he just plays backyard football. He's not technically proficient, he's not a student of the game, he's not a football genius, but he has tremendous instincts, amazing mobility, and an NFL caliber arm.
I honestly can't pick between Bortles and Manziel. I've been on the Bortles bandwagon since the beginning of the year and have the posts here to prove it, but Manziel and Bortles are two startlingly different quarterbacks. Without an OC, it's hard to determine who would be the best quarterback for us. In a McDaniels/Belichick style of the Erhardt-Perkins spread offense, I would rather have Manziel. In an Bruce Arians style, motion-heavy spread attack, I would rather have Bortles.
It just depends on who we hire.
Sandlot football doesn't work in the NFL TC- and you should know that. If Pettine wants smash mouth football- Johnny be Not So good isn't someone he's going to want. Look at the really great ones, Peyton, Brady, Brees. They decipher the defense, figure out who's likely to be open and get the ball to them quickly and on target, not scramble around like a.nut trying to make plays with your legs & maybe your arm. Probably the closest analogy in the NFL to Johnny Football is Kaepenic or Newton- but they're both way bigger, have better (IMHO) accuracy on the run, and when they scramble, it's in a far more controlled fashion. Honestly, my personal opinion I'd put Manziel as a top of second round talent. Top 5? He's nowhere near RGIII good pre-draft.
I was going to compare Manziel to Michael Vick, who I consider the #1 rushing qb of all time- except he isn't. That honor still belongs to Randall Cunningham. Yeah there's a couple HOFers in the top 10 qb rushing club- most notably Steve Young & John Elway- but there's a lot of underachievers there too. Manziels style is no where near those previously mentioned .
Yes, I have. Manziel's style is if his primary read isn't open, he runs around with reckless (more on that in a second) abandon scrambling until someone does break open, or takes off with his feet. The way he plants and twists to avoid pressure or hits is an open invitation for an opposing NFL linebacker to blow his knee out. Refer to MasterDog's clip if you don't
Sandlot football doesn't work in the NFL TC- and you should know that. If Pettine wants smash mouth football- Johnny be Not So good isn't someone he's going to want. Look at the really great ones, Peyton, Brady, Brees. They decipher the defense, figure out who's likely to be open and get the ball to them quickly and on target, not scramble around like a.nut trying to make plays with your legs & maybe your arm. Probably the closest analogy in the NFL to Johnny Football is Kaepenic or Newton- but they're both way bigger, have better (IMHO) accuracy on the run, and when they scramble, it's in a far more controlled fashion. Honestly, my personal opinion I'd put Manziel as a top of second round talent. Top 5? He's nowhere near RGIII good pre-draft.
His mobility and scrambling style have absolutely nothing to do with his ability to read defenses or make decisions. Manziel was careful with his passes and shows natural accuracy.
If you don't like the kid, that's fine. But call a spade a spade and just say you think he's an asshole. Don't try and thinly veil it behind a bad and frankly, wrong, scouting report.
Calling him a second rounder is absurd. Johnny Manziel, on the field, is a top 15 pick in any draft in the last 10 years. If Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel, and Brady Quinn can go in the first, there's no fucking way in the world Manziel couldn't.
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I was going to compare Manziel to Michael Vick, who I consider the #1 rushing qb of all time- except he isn't. That honor still belongs to Randall Cunningham. Yeah there's a couple HOFers in the top 10 qb rushing club- most notably Steve Young & John Elway- but there's a lot of underachievers there too. Manziels style is no where near those previously mentioned .
Yes, I have. Manziel's style is if his primary read isn't open, he runs around with reckless (more on that in a second) abandon scrambling until someone does break open, or takes off with his feet. The way he plants and twists to avoid pressure or hits is an open invitation for an opposing NFL linebacker to blow his knee out. Refer to MasterDog's clip if you don't
Sandlot football doesn't work in the NFL TC- and you should know that. If Pettine wants smash mouth football- Johnny be Not So good isn't someone he's going to want. Look at the really great ones, Peyton, Brady, Brees. They decipher the defense, figure out who's likely to be open and get the ball to them quickly and on target, not scramble around like a.nut trying to make plays with your legs & maybe your arm. Probably the closest analogy in the NFL to Johnny Football is Kaepenic or Newton- but they're both way bigger, have better (IMHO) accuracy on the run, and when they scramble, it's in a far more controlled fashion. Honestly, my personal opinion I'd put Manziel as a top of second round talent. Top 5? He's nowhere near RGIII good pre-draft.
His mobility and scrambling style have absolutely nothing to do with his ability to read defenses or make decisions. Manziel was careful with his passes and shows natural accuracy.
If you don't like the kid, that's fine. But call a spade a spade and just say you think he's an asshole. Don't try and thinly veil it behind a bad and frankly, wrong, scouting report.
Calling him a second rounder is absurd. Johnny Manziel, on the field, is a top 15 pick in any draft in the last 10 years. If Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel, and Brady Quinn can go in the first, there's no fucking way in the world Manziel couldn't.
His mobility and scrambling style have absolutely nothing to do with his ability to read defenses or make decisions. Manziel was careful with his passes and shows natural accuracy.
If you don't like the kid, that's fine. But call a spade a spade and just say you think he's an asshole. Don't try and thinly veil it behind a bad and frankly, wrong, scouting report.
Calling him a second rounder is absurd. Johnny Manziel, on the field, is a top 15 pick in any draft in the last 10 years. If Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel, and Brady Quinn can go in the first, there's no fucking way in the world Manziel couldn't.
BS. They have everything to do with his ability to make quick multiple checkdown reads, and potential injury risk. So why are virtually every one of Football's highlight reels the result of a scramble or roll out? You're seriously over-rating Manziel. And I'll stand my ground- just like I did telling Shep he was full of shit pimping Quinn. There are scouts that do have him as a top second rounder. The reports having him as the highest bust\reward potential are legion- and I'm taking bust\injury off field asshole risk, thank you very much.
Thank God Haslam pretty much called the "Manziel at any cost" rumor for what it is- a rumor. I wouldn't even have put it past Weasel Banner to have started it, just to see how Browns fans would react. This fan will puke.
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His mobility and scrambling style have absolutely nothing to do with his ability to read defenses or make decisions. Manziel was careful with his passes and shows natural accuracy.
If you don't like the kid, that's fine. But call a spade a spade and just say you think he's an asshole. Don't try and thinly veil it behind a bad and frankly, wrong, scouting report.
Calling him a second rounder is absurd. Johnny Manziel, on the field, is a top 15 pick in any draft in the last 10 years. If Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel, and Brady Quinn can go in the first, there's no fucking way in the world Manziel couldn't.
BS. They have everything to do with his ability to make quick multiple checkdown reads, and potential injury risk. So why are virtually every one of Football's highlight reels the result of a scramble or roll out? You're seriously over-rating Manziel. And I'll stand my ground- just like I did telling Shep he was full of shit pimping Quinn. There are scouts that do have him as a top second rounder. The reports having him as the highest bust\reward potential are legion- and I'm taking bust\injury off field asshole risk, thank you very much.
Thank God Haslam pretty much called the "Manziel at any cost" rumor for what it is- a rumor. I wouldn't even have put it past Weasel Banner to have started it, just to see how Browns fans would react. This fan will puke.
You're seriously over-rating Manziel. And I'll stand my ground- just like I did telling Shep he was full of shit pimping Quinn. There are scouts that do have him as a top second rounder. The reports having him as the highest bust\reward potential are legion- and I'm taking bust\injury off field asshole risk, thank you very much.
Thank God Haslam pretty much called the "Manziel at any cost" rumor for what it is- a rumor. I wouldn't even have put it past Weasel Banner to have started it, just to see how Browns fans would react. This fan will puke.
I'm not. You're seriously putting too much emphasis on the fact that you don't like that he's not 6'5, 230 and a pocket passer. He faced top defenses week in and week out and put up spectacular numbers.
I'm not a Manziel fan, but I can understand the hype. It's not like Carr, who put up gaudy numbers against weak talent every week. He played quality SEC opponents. He threw for 5 touchdowns against the top ranked defense in the country and then another 4 touchdowns against a 19th ranked Vandy defense. He plays tough teams and puts up great numbers.
There are scouts that have him in the second round, you're right. There are also many more scouts, most of which with a much better reputation, that have Manziel exactly where he'll be drafted- in the top half of the first round.
The fact that you don't like his "scrambling style" is duly noted, but ultimately means nothing. I can understand the fear of injury, but anything can happen. A CB tore his ACL in the Senior Bowl in a non contact injury. In 1989, National League MVP Kevin Mitchell pulled a muscle while puking after getting food poisoning and missed time. Jaret Holmes burned himself with fondue. Lionel Letizi pulled a back muscle reaching for a Scrabble tile.
Point is, shit can happen anywhere, anytime, especially in the NFL. The fear of injury is justified but not a reason to stand pat. As my dad always told me, you'll never hit a homerun if you're too scared to take the bat off your shoulders.
If we get an OC that favors a fast-paced, spread option, quick fire offense and likes to move the pocket, then Manziel would be great. If we get an OC that wants to go I-Form, pound the rock, play action pass, Bortles would be fantastic. If we get an OC that wants us to throw screens 75% of the time, Carr would be the pick. As long as our QB is put in the best scheme for him to win, I'm happy. But hating on Manziel over trivial matters is just dumb.
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The one I stated a month ago that has over 10,000 views? Or the other website I write for that has 10x as many views? With the opinions you've posted on here, I'm sure you couldn't.We can't all have a blog with 9 followers...
reputation lol on the internet even
Don't worry, outside of this response you opinion means absolutely nothing to me or anyone else here. You'll fade out in another month or two just like the rest of the useless idiots who want us to trade for Tom Brady and sign Bill Cowher as HC.
I'm sure you're amazing at Madden, though, so congratulations.
The one I stated a month ago that has over 10,000 views? Or the other website I write for that has 10x as many views? With the opinions you've posted on here, I'm sure you couldn't.
Don't worry, outside of this response you opinion means absolutely nothing to me or anyone else here. You'll fade out in another month or two just like the rest of the useless idiots who want us to trade for Tom Brady and sign Bill Cowher as HC.
I'm sure you're amazing at Madden, though, so congratulations.
10,000 views and 9 followers... you do know i could make a twerking video and get more than that. Of course my replies mean nothing to anyone, it's an intenet forum and neither does yours. I think you're delusional about what happens in a public forum. I seen you call someone a fat judge whose post won't help the team win... lol. Guess what, your post or no one else's can help the team. You act as if the front office comes here for help from the fans in making a decision. I am amazing at madden though so ty for the grats.
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i just hope the FO consults with our new head coach and can calm this first pick QB frenzy down.
even if you were an offensive minded coach and the new lawrence taylor was sitting there @4 for someone to pick up, you wouldn't make that pick?
the need for a QB THIS year is not as great as everyone is making it out to be. what happened to hoyer? now he's just a piece of garbage? at least we KNOW he can play in the NFL and who knows what would have happened last year if he didn't injure HIMSELF.
if i was pettine and the FO actually listened to me i'd be salivating with all the picks we have. you could literally finish off the defense with 3 solid picks.
i could see picking up a QB to sit and learn for a couple of years (mettenberger, who also has an off-field past btw) but i see bust with all these kiper hyped QBs....maybe not bridgewater, but man the dude is just a stick waiting to be snapped.
and can everyone get off manziel's jock? all i envision with him is scrambling to the sidelines and throwing the ball out of bounds ten times a game. hey maybe i'm wrong. maybe he'll be great. i just think the dude is a complete dick. and i don't like dicks.
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Whoever the Browns pick in the first round, as long as Farmer
and Pettine got their way....
I'm all in. Right now... I look at Odell Beckham, wr, and Watkins, and I don't see that
Beckham will be there with the Brown's second round pick now. My guess is, after
the combine, Beckham moves into the first round. He's explosive.
Not sold on Manziel. He is amazing - everybody knows that. But Manziel often had a
superior oline, and excellent, tall wr's. Add to that playing in nice weather... how do ya
translate that automatically to playing in the NFL, in the cold, snowing, in the wind?
And, is he coachable with a tough minded NFL coach like Pettine? Beats me. But there
is...everything? ridiing on this next draft of ten picks, Seems like taking Manziel at 4 is a gamble.
I really like Garoppolo. May is so far away...
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As you all know, I favor a balanced offense that isn't completely based on this idea that "A QB savior shall come and pass us into the promised land!" Also, I don't necessarily think that Manziel is a "sure thing" in the same way that someone like a Luck was (Settle down, settle down,... keep reading...).
That being said, I can't ignore the kid's success on the field. Do I think he's made great decisions off the field? No. Will that be trouble? Maybe. I really think it could go either way. But, he is an athletic kid who seems to pass well and run well, and he performed well against some good college defenses. Sometimes that does end up meaning success in the pros, sometimes it doesn't. But, as much doubt as may exist in my mind about Manziel, I've got just as much doubt about almost any other player in the draft this year.
It all comes down to this: The Browns need to do something about a QB. Hoyer probably isn't the perfect answer immediately, and certainly isn't the long-term answer. Manziel is a young guy (isn't he the same age as Weeden's grandkids?) and has been a standout for two years. The chance that he'll become a good starting NFL QB is certainly worth the #4 pick to the Browns. It's a risk, but a relatively low one. An early pick for a guy who has a good chance to be a viable QB is a pretty standard tradeoff, and one that I think the Browns should be comfortable with. I'm not QB crazy and I don't think he's a 100% sure thing, but I'm plenty comfortable with the Browns taking Manziel at #4.
Now, there's been some crazy talk about moving up to get him. That I am not onboard with. The chance to get Manziel is not, in my mind, worth adding in another early round pick. That's a whole additional player who could contribute to the team in another area. I just cannot stand by the idea that the likelihood that Manziel will be good is worth two of the top 30 or top 50-60 players in the college draft this year. Maybe if the Browns ONLY needed a QB - if the team was complete except for this one gaping hole. But the Browns could certainly use some early round help in some other areas as well.
In short, I say take Manziel at #4 and do it with confidence and excitement, if you think he can be good. Just don't trade anything significant to move up to get him.
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