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  • Posting the addresses of gun owners is a very, very serious problem.

    Not only can they break into some safes (not Liberty ones), but they

    can steal smaller safes, and can force a home owner to open

    a bigger gun safe.

    Since they have been handed the info by anti gun newspapers.

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      Aug 16, 2013 - 2 arrested after theft of guns in brazen daylight home invasion ... Bill Riney, the owner of the home that was broken into, said he wasn't .... that say "Two teens apprehended lugging 500lb locked gun safe down street.

    @calfoxwc said:

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    Posting the addresses of gun owners is a very, very serious problem.

    Not only can they break into some safes (not Liberty ones), but they

    can steal smaller safes, and can force a home owner to open

    a bigger gun safe.

    Since they have been handed the info by anti gun newspapers.

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    But is it big serious trouble? Seems like something that probably obamao personally did, no?

  • I have a friend named Rob who just had a couple of expensive guns stolen from his home by a supposed friend. Go ahead, ask if they were locked up appropriately or if they were just under the couch cushion because that made him feel safer.

  • See I'm in the middle. Of course its not alright to print someone's information. It's also not alright for the gun people to press for more guns, less restrictions and allow anyone to have one no questions asked. Why should one side pretend to be reasonable and the other side trots out Wayne lapierre and insists the only way to protect children is with, of course, more guns. One side is clearly unwilling to work towards real solutions, blaming media, blaming video games blaming everything but the irresponsible gun owners and gun policies that allow anyone to get their hands on a gun. I've stated before on this forum I have four guns. A rifle, a shotgun and two handguns. Theyre locked up tight and you'd have to defeat both the gun safe and the security system and get out within five minutes to steal them. Good luck.

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    @logicisforsquares said:

    I am beginning to think you are a contrarian shit head just for the sake of it. You see zero problem with someone's personal information being posted in a newspaper without their consent?

    No shit? I've said as much many times. Most of the time I am just doing it for the hell of it. To play devils advocate. But really that information is there for the taking so you're just feigning outrage over something that's not very well hidden being printed. If you were thinking logically you'd know that anyone that wanted that information and has a computer can get it.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    !a!

    No shit? I've said as much many times. Most of the time I am just doing it for the hell of it. To play devils advocate. But really that information is there for the taking so you're just feigning outrage over something that's not very well hidden being printed. If you were thinking logically you'd know that anyone that wanted that information and has a computer can get it.

    Oh good, you disagree just because. You will make an excellent nagging wife.

  • @legacy-fan said:

    I know totally, right? No lock has EVER been broken!!

    What are you locking yours up with? Luggage locks? If gun owners would just take some responsibility the means to protect them are out there

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    What are you locking yours up with? Luggage locks? If gun owners would just take some responsibility the means to protect them are out there

    Mine are well locked up. Bedside safe, closet vaults (floor safe). If somebody wants my guns (when I'm not home) they're gonna have to work for them. But they're not impenetrable.

    I hope you're kidding with that shit.

    Doesn't mean I want the NY Fucking times to advertise that I have them. I CCW for the same reason.

    But you're probably right. I should be charged for murder when my house is broken into, my safes are broken into, my guns are stolen, and a crime is committed with them. Makes perfect sense. 🙄

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    What are you locking yours up with? Luggage locks? If gun owners would just take some responsibility the means to protect them are out there

    Mine are well locked up. Bedside safe, closet vaults (floor safe). If somebody wants my guns (when I'm not home) they're gonna have to work for them. But they're not impenetrable.

    I hope you're kidding with that shit.

    Doesn't mean I want the NY Fucking times to advertise that I have them. I CCW for the same reason.

    But you're probably right. I should be charged for murder when my house is broken into, my safes are broken into, my guns are stolen, and a crime is committed with them. Makes perfect sense. 🙄

    @legacy-fan said:

    Mine are well locked up. Bedside safe, closet vaults (floor safe). If somebody wants my guns (when I'm not home) they're gonna have to work for them. But they're not impenetrable.

    I hope you're kidding with that shit.

    Doesn't mean I want the NY Fucking times to advertise that I have them. I CCW for the same reason.

    But you're probably right. I should be charged for murder when my house is broken into, my safes are broken into, my guns are stolen, and a crime is committed with them. Makes perfect sense. 🙄

    If you can find where I said that I might act like you're making sense.

  • How about this? Get a security system then unless the fucking joker is robbing you they won't have time to fuck around in your gun safe

  • On tv, they simply disable or misdirect the security system.

    I am researching ar-15's now. I need night vision etc for coyotes. The tracks

    are back, and way too close to the house.

  • On tv, they simply disable or misdirect the security system.

    I am researching ar-15's now. I need night vision etc for coyotes. The tracks

    are back, and way too close to the house.

    @calfoxwc said:

    On tv, they simply disable or misdirect the security system.

    I am researching ar-15's now. I need night vision etc for coyotes. The tracks

    are back, and way too close to the house.

    get a 30-06. Nice weapon and it will have no problem with a coyote. Or anything else for that matter. It is also a lot easier to get.

    No one cares if you have a 30-06, but for some reason an AR-15 is bad

  • If you want a run down on ARs just let me know. Budget?

  • @legacy-fan said:

    Mine are well locked up. Bedside safe, closet vaults (floor safe). If somebody wants my guns (when I'm not home) they're gonna have to work for them. But they're not impenetrable.

    I hope you're kidding with that shit.

    Doesn't mean I want the NY Fucking times to advertise that I have them. I CCW for the same reason.

    But you're probably right. I should be charged for murder when my house is broken into, my safes are broken into, my guns are stolen, and a crime is committed with them. Makes perfect sense. 🙄

    If you can find where I said that I might act like you're making sense.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    If you can find where I said that I might act like you're making sense.

    Your whole "responsibility" bullshit. You've repeatedly argued that if gun owners aren't responsible for how their guns are stored/ secured they should be responsible for the crimes committed with them.

    Don't be a backtracking pussy.

  • If you want a run down on ARs just let me know. Budget? Logic


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    I was thinkin 8-10, til we ordered new windows a couple of days ago.



    It's been 22 yrs, finest windows we've ever seen...big bucks.



    More like a starter outfit, so I can add cool stuff to it the next year or two.


    I think a guy I know has one, that will shoot both .22, and mod to 5.56.


    That would be excellent one of these days....With night vision. @@


    I have to research it to know what I'm talking about.


    But the fun of it is all the different ways it can be modified.



    Note to anti-AR-15ners: Which, btw, cannot be modified to automatic like has been said here in the past.


  • Cysko - "Lanza" thread "reducing gun violence" from a year ago is where you'll find your "responsibility" position.

    Not sure how to link it on my phone.

  • If you are using it for coyote slaying, just about any brand is fine. That isn't a popular opinion but not everyone is going to abuse their gear. I pay a bit more because I participate in a lot of shooting courses and treat my guns like tools. I need guns that can survive me haha.

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    If you can find where I said that I might act like you're making sense.

    Your whole "responsibility" bullshit. You've repeatedly argued that if gun owners aren't responsible for how their guns are stored/ secured they should be responsible for the crimes committed with them.

    Don't be a backtracking pussy.

    @legacy-fan said:

    Your whole "responsibility" bullshit. You've repeatedly argued that if gun owners aren't responsible for how their guns are stored/ secured they should be responsible for the crimes committed with them.

    Don't be a backtracking pussy.

    Don't be a moron. I've never said the owner of a randomly stolen gun should be responsible for a murder commuted with it. However Nancy lanza should be held responsible for making guns freely available to a known damaged madman who murdered 20 children. 20 innocent children and six adults paid with their lives for Nancy Lanzas criminal negligence. That's a real consequence of irresponsibility. Let's hopetotger gun owners are smart enough to take the necessary precautions to never have to face such consequences. Of course they won't because as we all well know nothing bad could ever happen to US just people on tv, right?

  • On tv, they simply disable or misdirect the security system.

    I am researching ar-15's now. I need night vision etc for coyotes. The tracks

    are back, and way too close to the house.

    @calfoxwc said:

    On tv, they simply disable or misdirect the security system.

    I am researching ar-15's now. I need night vision etc f. or coyotes. The tracks

    are back, and way too close to the house.

    Tv has made you quite the expert, no?

  • @legacy-fan said:

    Your whole "responsibility" bullshit. You've repeatedly argued that if gun owners aren't responsible for how their guns are stored/ secured they should be responsible for the crimes committed with them.

    Don't be a backtracking pussy.

    Don't be a moron. I've never said the owner of a randomly stolen gun should be responsible for a murder commuted with it. However Nancy lanza should be held responsible for making guns freely available to a known damaged madman who murdered 20 children. 20 innocent children and six adults paid with their lives for Nancy Lanzas criminal negligence. That's a real consequence of irresponsibility. Let's hopetotger gun owners are smart enough to take the necessary precautions to never have to face such consequences. Of course they won't because as we all well know nothing bad could ever happen to US just people on tv, right?

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Don't be a moron. I've never said the owner of a randomly stolen gun should be responsible for a murder commuted with it. However Nancy lanza should be held responsible for making guns freely available to a known damaged madman who murdered 20 children. 20 innocent children and six adults paid with their lives for Nancy Lanzas criminal negligence. That's a real consequence of irresponsibility. Let's hopetotger gun owners are smart enough to take the necessary precautions to never have to face such consequences. Of course they won't because as we all well know nothing bad could ever happen to US just people on tv, right?

    Nothing like ignoring facts to make your point. The guns Lanza used were stolen, as he was <21 and is not legally allowed to own one. You ignored this a year ago, and are continuing to do so. If Nancy Lanza is "criminally negligent" then so are "Call of Duty" video games, Aspergers Syndrome, Northern Illinois University, and the Norwegian Press.

    Adam Lanza? Completely innocent. Victim. 🙄

  • If you are using it for coyote slaying, just about any brand is fine. That isn't a popular opinion but not everyone is going to abuse their gear. I pay a bit more because I participate in a lot of shooting courses and treat my guns like tools. I need guns that can survive me haha. Logic

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    Well, I'm out in the elements a lot. Cold, rain, snow, hot sun, woods. The synthetic stock would be good.

    My guns are far more old school. In fact, I wish I could start loading my own 12 gauge

    black powder shotgun shells for my (inherited from my Dad) double barrel, ya can't buy them anymore.

    But I would target practice a lot. Shooting across ten acres with my .22 mag isn't very accurate apparently.

    I have to get out the laser bore sighter I bought and check out what's goin on. I have CaddyShack groundhog

    syndrome. The buggers dance and mock me when I miss. lol

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    Don't be a moron. I've never said the owner of a randomly stolen gun should be responsible for a murder commuted with it. However Nancy lanza should be held responsible for making guns freely available to a known damaged madman who murdered 20 children. 20 innocent children and six adults paid with their lives for Nancy Lanzas criminal negligence. That's a real consequence of irresponsibility. Let's hopetotger gun owners are smart enough to take the necessary precautions to never have to face such consequences. Of course they won't because as we all well know nothing bad could ever happen to US just people on tv, right?

    Nothing like ignoring facts to make your point. The guns Lanza used were stolen, as he was <21 and is not legally allowed to own one. You ignored this a year ago, and are continuing to do so. If Nancy Lanza is "criminally negligent" then so are "Call of Duty" video games, Aspergers Syndrome, Northern Illinois University, and the Norwegian Press.

    Adam Lanza? Completely innocent. Victim. 🙄

    @legacy-fan said:

    Nothing like ignoring facts to make your point. The guns Lanza used were stolen, as he was <21 and is not legally allowed to own one. You ignored this a year ago, and are continuing to do so. If Nancy Lanza is "criminally negligent" then so are "Call of Duty" video games, Aspergers Syndrome, Northern Illinois University, and the Norwegian Press.

    Adam Lanza? Completely innocent. Victim. 🙄

    What's the fact? He broke into someones home and defeated their gun safe to steal them? Or he didn't have to break in anywhere or defeat any safety measure because his mom just had them leaned in a closet somewhere? What's the fact there?

  • Who said Adam lanza was a victim? You're trying desperately to deflect the simple fact that he was armed to the teeth as a result of the fact that his mother was a firearm enthusiast who didn't secure her weapons ,properly or at all. Reports are that he tried to purchase his own and was denied. The system works there, for once, and probably only at the discretion of the gun store employee who presumably saw something he didn't like. Good on him. Now does awkward, socially Retarded and strange Adam Lanza have to break into another house and locate the firearms, defeat safety precautions, and get out to get what he wants? Or does he just go home and pick up something he already knows where it is, how to get it, and exactly when mommy would be vulnerable to attack?

    Is it easier to rob a bank, or just grab twenty dollars your spouse left lying on the kitchen table? Stop being intentionally dumb. I know you're not a dumb guy.

    And yeah, call of duty, the video game, totally left the guns where he could pick them up. Good point.