S&W, Ruger to stop selling semi automatic handguns in California
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Your whole "responsibility" bullshit. You've repeatedly argued that if gun owners aren't responsible for how their guns are stored/ secured they should be responsible for the crimes committed with them.
Don't be a backtracking pussy.
Don't be a moron. I've never said the owner of a randomly stolen gun should be responsible for a murder commuted with it. However Nancy lanza should be held responsible for making guns freely available to a known damaged madman who murdered 20 children. 20 innocent children and six adults paid with their lives for Nancy Lanzas criminal negligence. That's a real consequence of irresponsibility. Let's hopetotger gun owners are smart enough to take the necessary precautions to never have to face such consequences. Of course they won't because as we all well know nothing bad could ever happen to US just people on tv, right?
Don't be a moron. I've never said the owner of a randomly stolen gun should be responsible for a murder commuted with it. However Nancy lanza should be held responsible for making guns freely available to a known damaged madman who murdered 20 children. 20 innocent children and six adults paid with their lives for Nancy Lanzas criminal negligence. That's a real consequence of irresponsibility. Let's hopetotger gun owners are smart enough to take the necessary precautions to never have to face such consequences. Of course they won't because as we all well know nothing bad could ever happen to US just people on tv, right?
Nothing like ignoring facts to make your point. The guns Lanza used were stolen, as he was <21 and is not legally allowed to own one. You ignored this a year ago, and are continuing to do so. If Nancy Lanza is "criminally negligent" then so are "Call of Duty" video games, Aspergers Syndrome, Northern Illinois University, and the Norwegian Press.
Adam Lanza? Completely innocent. Victim.
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If you are using it for coyote slaying, just about any brand is fine. That isn't a popular opinion but not everyone is going to abuse their gear. I pay a bit more because I participate in a lot of shooting courses and treat my guns like tools. I need guns that can survive me haha. Logic
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Well, I'm out in the elements a lot. Cold, rain, snow, hot sun, woods. The synthetic stock would be good.
My guns are far more old school. In fact, I wish I could start loading my own 12 gauge
black powder shotgun shells for my (inherited from my Dad) double barrel, ya can't buy them anymore.
But I would target practice a lot. Shooting across ten acres with my .22 mag isn't very accurate apparently.
I have to get out the laser bore sighter I bought and check out what's goin on. I have CaddyShack groundhog
syndrome. The buggers dance and mock me when I miss. lol
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Don't be a moron. I've never said the owner of a randomly stolen gun should be responsible for a murder commuted with it. However Nancy lanza should be held responsible for making guns freely available to a known damaged madman who murdered 20 children. 20 innocent children and six adults paid with their lives for Nancy Lanzas criminal negligence. That's a real consequence of irresponsibility. Let's hopetotger gun owners are smart enough to take the necessary precautions to never have to face such consequences. Of course they won't because as we all well know nothing bad could ever happen to US just people on tv, right?
Nothing like ignoring facts to make your point. The guns Lanza used were stolen, as he was <21 and is not legally allowed to own one. You ignored this a year ago, and are continuing to do so. If Nancy Lanza is "criminally negligent" then so are "Call of Duty" video games, Aspergers Syndrome, Northern Illinois University, and the Norwegian Press.
Adam Lanza? Completely innocent. Victim.
Nothing like ignoring facts to make your point. The guns Lanza used were stolen, as he was <21 and is not legally allowed to own one. You ignored this a year ago, and are continuing to do so. If Nancy Lanza is "criminally negligent" then so are "Call of Duty" video games, Aspergers Syndrome, Northern Illinois University, and the Norwegian Press.
Adam Lanza? Completely innocent. Victim.
What's the fact? He broke into someones home and defeated their gun safe to steal them? Or he didn't have to break in anywhere or defeat any safety measure because his mom just had them leaned in a closet somewhere? What's the fact there?
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Who said Adam lanza was a victim? You're trying desperately to deflect the simple fact that he was armed to the teeth as a result of the fact that his mother was a firearm enthusiast who didn't secure her weapons ,properly or at all. Reports are that he tried to purchase his own and was denied. The system works there, for once, and probably only at the discretion of the gun store employee who presumably saw something he didn't like. Good on him. Now does awkward, socially Retarded and strange Adam Lanza have to break into another house and locate the firearms, defeat safety precautions, and get out to get what he wants? Or does he just go home and pick up something he already knows where it is, how to get it, and exactly when mommy would be vulnerable to attack?
Is it easier to rob a bank, or just grab twenty dollars your spouse left lying on the kitchen table? Stop being intentionally dumb. I know you're not a dumb guy.
And yeah, call of duty, the video game, totally left the guns where he could pick them up. Good point.
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There were reports of a safe or safes in the lanza home. He obviously had access to the code (which I agree with you is not smart on the parent's part).
But realistically, what parent doesn't want to encourage their child in a hobby that they themselves enjoy (set aside Lanza's mental capacity, and/or diagnosis)? What parent (even ones that don't completely understand the nature of their child's disorder) doesn't want to treat their kid as "normal"? I think mommy Lanza was more guilty of being a parent, than "criminally negligent" or sinister or whatever she's getting painted as.
Now does awkward, socially Retarded and strange Adam Lanza have to break into another house and locate the firearms, defeat safety precautions, and get out to get what he wants?
The same way any other socially-awkward, strange maniac breaks into a home, and breaks the law. Point?
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I understand what you're saying, and it makes sense, but if you're pulling a kid out of high school because his special needs are not being properly monitored and you KNOW that something is very very wrong with him, probably the best bet is bot to arm him to the teeth. Nancy Lanza paid for het utter stupidity with her life but when you weigh her life vs all those children that her son murdered the scales are not balanced. Not even a little bit. I'm almost glad for her that she's dead. She doesn't have to live with the guilt that her idiotic choices killed 20 innocent helpless children. That she might have prevented that with better parenting and common sense. Do we know that Lanza wouldn't have been able to break into somebody else's gun safe and get what he wanted? No we don't know that, but knowing what we do know about this kid it seems unlikely. We'll never know because the guns he used were made easily available to him. That's just a poor choice that had terrible consequences that might have been avoided if one gun owner had taken a few precautions. That's all.
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I think we agree on most of it... but back to the OP (kind of) I just think the micro-stamping tech, and punishment for victims of burglary open a pandora's box, that cause 99.9% of the population to forfeit their privacy for no reason other than the false guise of "safely protecting" the populace from the .1%.
Edit: Yeah the 20 kindergartner thing hurts (my kids are that age-ish) but there are >20 kindergartners all over the world being murdered, starved, tortured, sold. So, I guess, perspective?
Leave a gun on a counter or bedside table with no evidence of a safe in the house and have doors unlocked etc., and it's used in a crime?? Then yeah, justifiable culpability.
Your safe is broken into, after your front door is kicked in, and your gun is stolen and used in a crime? Sorry, no culpability. (except maybe on the part of the Newspaper editor that posted your address)
side note (back to OP): criminals won't be purchasing the new "micro-stamped" firing pin containing guns. and if they did, some 200 grit sand paper solves that. The firing pins are parts that are replaced as they wear out with age/usage. Guns also aren't perfect machines. A firing pin doesn't always strike with the precision required to stamp a vin number in a primer yet can still make the primer go "boom"
Those are enough reasons for me to not support "micro-stamping" without going into all of the gov't conspiracy theory crap too...
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The stamping technology seems pointless to me because how is that going to help prevent crime, especially with a stolen firearm? The smart gun technology makes a lot more sense to me, and seems a lot less invasive. You wear the ring, the gun fires. You don't wear it? You're out of luck. It might prevent a lot of stolen firearms from killing people as well unless you're home and they get the ring too.
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Maybe add a pin or something in case you forget the ring or just don't have it at that time. Just a more elaborate safety.
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Nothing is infallible we know that. Might some smart criminal with access to the right machines be able to fabricate a magnetic ring? Maybe, but I'd imagine your average criminal is not all that smart or resourceful. also they probably wouldn't have access to the material or the machines necessary to falsify a triggering device. It just seems like a much more efficient protection mechanism especially if they can show it doesn't impair the gun's ability to fire when necessary, I.e. it doesn't take any extra time to fire.
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Until James Bond's palm-print gun becomes a viable option - ie, not crazy expensive - I'm not sure there's any way to make 100% certain that the only person that can fire a gun is the rightful owner. Until then, you've got to lock it up as best you can. But then, it's not exactly handy for confronting a break in...
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The only benefit to the stamping technology is the possibility of pinning a robbery charge on a murderer, if you can place him in the vicinity of the robbery at the time it happened. It won't prevent the robbery or the murder and thus seems rather pointless.
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Until James Bond's palm-print gun becomes a viable option - ie, not crazy expensive - I'm not sure there's any way to make 100% certain that the only person that can fire a gun is the rightful owner. Until then, you've got to lock it up as best you can. But then, it's not exactly handy for confronting a break in...
Until James Bond's palm-print gun becomes a viable option - ie, not crazy expensive - I'm not sure there's any way to make 100% certain that the only person that can fire a gun is the rightful owner. Until then, you've got to lock it up as best you can. But then, it's not exactly handy for confronting a break in...
It is a double edged sword but the ring is a mechanical process vs an electronics based one and thus seems more reliable in my mind. If it could be developed you could leave your gun lying on your nightstand of you desired. It would be exactly as dangerous as a brick at that point.
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Cysko-
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Gun education isn't emphasized because it doesn't fit the agenda.
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It is a double edged sword but the ring is a mechanical process vs an electronics based one and thus seems more reliable in my mind. If it could be developed you could leave your gun lying on your nightstand of you desired. It would be exactly as dangerous as a brick at that point. Cysko
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Actually, not even that is correct - the gun won't fire, but curious children could get the bullets out of
the gun, and who knows what could happen with those bullets alone.
I have an HR 8 shot .22 revolver. Trouble is, it has a lock w/key at the bottom of the grip.
Which is cool, and safe. Trouble is? It locks itself. I don't know how. But I went out a couple of times,
to teach a friend to shoot, and it was locked, and I had to go find the key. The ammo is well hidden away,
but the gun can't be depended on when apparently, vibrations cause it to lock itself.
And fingerprint controlled? you don't think that stolen guns would cause a loss of owners fingers?
Hey, I saw that on TV already....@@
20/20 had a good show about children and guns. It was actually fair treatment, even. There were people who
had saved their family's lives by driving off intruders... and a police officer, award winning, and his wife, who tragically
lost their young son, who happened to get high enough to explore the chest of drawers. The officer had kept
a loaded gun there. Also showed studies where children who swore never to touch a gun....did so anyways.
The anti-gun crowd, instead of honoring our 2nd Amendment, and working with gun owners and the NRA,
and gun manufactureres, to work on education programs, and strict laws about accidental access to unauthorized guns,
especially access by children, to solve the problem - has done the opposite. Instead, the left has waged political hostility against
gun owners, gun manufacturers, and our 2nd Amendment. Meanwhile, innocent children and adults are getting killed
and murdered and maimed. The left doesn't seem to care about those deaths, anymore than they care about our
soldiers dying overseas now that the pres has been a democrat for the last six years. The left sees political
advantage through the eyes of arrogance, and vicious political expedience.
Too tragic to believe.
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I stopped watching after this douche tried to correlate drowning in the lake to being murdered with a handgun. As long as you continue to try and make that argument expect people to treat you like a stupid fuckin' Retard. You can't murder 20 children with the lake before somebody stops you. Don't be a moron
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Horrific tragic death is horrific tragic death. Preventing these tragedies should be the main focus,
not political expediency.
Seems there's no political expediency involved with noting that children drown.
But there IS with guns and conservatives. How sad, how pitifully freakin sad.
See any lib wanting to outlaw swimming pools? Not one, yes?
Example:
Tragic Tally: More Than 200 Reported Child Drownings In Pools and Spas This SummerSEPTEMBER 5, 2013 Release Number: 13-276WASHINGTON, DC – From Memorial Day through Labor Day 2013, at least 202 children between the ages of 1 and 14 drowned in a swimming pool or spa in the United States, according to media reports compiled by the USA Swimming Foundation. Of those, 143 of the victims were children younger than age 5.The latest media-reported figures are consistent with the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission’s (CPSC) annual Submersion Report, and show that young children and toddlers are especially vulnerable to drowning. Drowning is the leading cause of unintentional death among children 1 to 4 years of age and it is the second leading cause of death for children from 5 to 14 years old.“The time is now to turn the tide on child drownings,” said CPSC Chairman Inez Tenenbaum. “In warm weather states and indoor swim parks, pools are still open. Let’s work together to prevent drownings by putting up barriers and having eyes-on supervision of children in and around the water.”CPSC’s national Pool Safely campaign reinforces important safety steps: fence all pools, stay close to children in the water, be alert, and teach children how to swim.Media-reported drownings show that during the summer of 2013, the following states suffered the largest number of pool and spa drownings involving children younger than 15 (figures may not account for all fatalities):1. Texas (28) 7. Pennsylvania (9)2. Flordia (24) 8. Tennessee (8)3. California (23) 9. North Carolina (8)4. Ohio (11) 10. Louisiana (7)5. New York (11) 11. Illinois (7)6. Arizona (10) -
"CPSC’s national Pool Safely campaign reinforces important safety steps: fence all pools, stay close to children in the water, be alert, and teach children how to swim."
"NRA's national gun safety campaign reinforces important safety steps: secure all guns, store ammo in secret, unaccessable place away from empty guns, stay CLOSE to children around guns, be alert, and teach children how tragedies can happen, and how to avoid guns unsupervised"
Not that different. But libs do the wrong things about guns, and don't care about children drowning.
No lefty political advantage to be gained. Which is exactly why libs stopped "caring so much about our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan".
Very sad.
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Case in point. Cal, continue to expect me to treat you like a stupid fucking moron.
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