I don't like "older" Browns fans...
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@walterwhite said:
We should draft a smash-mouth running back like Trent Richardson and good pocket passer like Brandon Weeden.
Forget Russell Wilson or Ty Hilton, we got ourselves a good blue collar sumbitch DT like John Hughes instead.
Zach Mettenberger has a sexual assault charge, he's a laid back country boy, who gets injured, and got picking his nose and eating it on TV.
I think he'll fit right in here...
See, here is where you are stupid. For all anyone knew TR could have been the next Marshawn Lynch...but he isn't. BW3 could have been the next Peyton Manning....but he wasn't.
You think the people that drafted those guys wanted them to fail miserably? No.
We old fuckers wanted them to be the next Marshawn Lynch and Peyton Manning too. It didn't work out. That was a matter of bad talent evaluation and bad luck. It has nothing to do with body type etc.
Terry Bradshaw was a good ole laid back country boy....so is Peyton, so was Favre.
I guess you want to stereotype everyone. Well, here is a stereotype that might fit you: sphincterface
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it's funny every other teams fanbase has successfully made this transformation no problem. I bet ur crowning moment since '99 was throwin ur lunchables juicebox on the field during BOTTLEGATE. Doesn't get more dawgpound than that.@walterwhite said:
The Old Browns are DEAD. DEAD as a fucking Door Nail. All the fun shit that my dad used to tell me about in the dog pound is over. Bringing kegs in, passing joints, girls flashing tits, fighting Steelers fans, throwing batteries at Boomer Esasion and his hair do... It got replaced by bullshit PC political correctness, guys who drive Volvo's and wear Khahki pants and complain when you stand up t cheer. The past 3 Browns games I went to I either got kicked out, or had to deal with some fucking Bouche' Liberal Dad complaining about my "language". This team has been a disaster since 1999 and my language is the fucking problem?
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This is what I'll say as a younger Browns fan in general. I talk with my dad all the time about the team and we get into similar arguments as the OP does. Dad, along with you older posters, can remember the days when the Browns were actually relevant. In my life (born in 1989 so first memories are after the team came back), the Browns have literally been the laughing stock of the NFL. Even the year we went to the playoffs it seemed fairly obvious it was a fluke year. At least you older posters have the memories of being good, we don't. It's not like anyone likes seeing the team be this consistently bad, but I can't emphasize how much of a difference that makes.
I don't think I know it all, but I don't generally disagree with what the OP said either. The NFL a little more each year is embracing the 'mobile' QB. Once the patiarchs of the NFL retire (the Mannings, Big Ben, Brady etc), more and more QB's will be the mold of Cam Newton, Colin K etc. I guarantee the rules will even become more favorable to atheletic QB's as they are now. To say this team needs a OG and CB to become a playoff team is a fool's mindset. It used to be you could easily stack up on defense and win a super bowl. I can understand why older fans in general think that's the way to go, but you have to open your eyes to the bigger picture. the NFL is trying to become global and make as much money as possible. Our generation hates watching 7-6 games where defense reigns. We want Manning throwing 5 td's and our fantasy teams to score 200 points. Goddell like him or not understands this and is changing the game around that idea. Bottom line: Time to get a QB who can throw and run.
I am pleased to see that some of the younger generation is as polite and literate as yourself.
I am pleased to see that some of the younger generation is as polite and literate as yourself.
Military family, I didn't have much of a choice haha. The only thing I'd strongly disagree with a lot of you on is stadium culture now and then. I don't think it's sad that most stadiums across the NFL are enforcing stricter rules on language, taunts and the like. You can do a lot of good natured crap-talking but you don't need to be a dick about it. Frankly it brings the whole fan base down when some drunken moron starts acting like well, a drunken moron. Don't get wrong, some opposing fans deserve it. I have no problem with home fans calling out an opposing fan for being a dick. But honestly, the two or three times I've seen the Browns as the away team I've had a hell of a lot better time just bullshittin with the home fans than being a baffoon.
If we want more Browns fan in the stadium, win some games. Honestly, how much do you blame people of my generation for not going to a Browns football game? I mean Jesus, the economy still sucks and to spend the money it costs to watch the Browns shit the bed is laughable to me. I live in NC so I don't have the opportunity to go, but I wouldn't even if I could.
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Wait until some nice looking chick comes up to you and says "can I help you dear".
Wait until some nice looking chick comes up to you and says "can I help you dear".
Mine was "sir" .............. I was looking around for my dad or some other old guy.
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I am pleased to see that some of the younger generation is as polite and literate as yourself.
Military family, I didn't have much of a choice haha. The only thing I'd strongly disagree with a lot of you on is stadium culture now and then. I don't think it's sad that most stadiums across the NFL are enforcing stricter rules on language, taunts and the like. You can do a lot of good natured crap-talking but you don't need to be a dick about it. Frankly it brings the whole fan base down when some drunken moron starts acting like well, a drunken moron. Don't get wrong, some opposing fans deserve it. I have no problem with home fans calling out an opposing fan for being a dick. But honestly, the two or three times I've seen the Browns as the away team I've had a hell of a lot better time just bullshittin with the home fans than being a baffoon.
If we want more Browns fan in the stadium, win some games. Honestly, how much do you blame people of my generation for not going to a Browns football game? I mean Jesus, the economy still sucks and to spend the money it costs to watch the Browns shit the bed is laughable to me. I live in NC so I don't have the opportunity to go, but I wouldn't even if I could.
Military family, I didn't have much of a choice haha. The only thing I'd strongly disagree with a lot of you on is stadium culture now and then. I don't think it's sad that most stadiums across the NFL are enforcing stricter rules on language, taunts and the like. You can do a lot of good natured crap-talking but you don't need to be a dick about it. Frankly it brings the whole fan base down when some drunken moron starts acting like well, a drunken moron. Don't get wrong, some opposing fans deserve it. I have no problem with home fans calling out an opposing fan for being a dick. But honestly, the two or three times I've seen the Browns as the away team I've had a hell of a lot better time just bullshittin with the home fans than being a baffoon.
If we want more Browns fan in the stadium, win some games. Honestly, how much do you blame people of my generation for not going to a Browns football game? I mean Jesus, the economy still sucks and to spend the money it costs to watch the Browns shit the bed is laughable to me. I live in NC so I don't have the opportunity to go, but I wouldn't even if I could.
Agree - Good natured shit talking makes it fun and I always enjoy that with opponents fans. Virtually everyone on this board supports that while being strongly opposed to being downright abusive or physical.
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They make my god damn head want to explode. They want to build a 1960's team in a 2014 era.
1. Every single older Browns fan I talk to wants a Lumbering doofus QB who's AT LEAST 6'4 230 pounds with a rocket arm. These are the same assholes that continue support for Weeden. I just heard some douche bag say he wants Zach Mettenberger over Manziel because he's a prima donna. Manziel is too fun and exciting for these old men bleeding deacon so of course they want a classic pocket passer. God forbid we have some fucking excitement
2. They act unless you have 5 fucking pro bowlers on the offensive line then you have to take an offensive linemen at all cost in the first round.
3. They all want a smashmouth running back. Dude, nobody gives a shit about smashmouth running backs anymore. Quit living in your fathers fucking NFL
4. Rant over.
They make my god damn head want to explode. They want to build a 1960's team in a 2014 era.
1. Every single older Browns fan I talk to wants a Lumbering doofus QB who's AT LEAST 6'4 230 pounds with a rocket arm. These are the same assholes that continue support for Weeden. I just heard some douche bag say he wants Zach Mettenberger over Manziel because he's a prima donna. Manziel is too fun and exciting for these old men bleeding deacon so of course they want a classic pocket passer. God forbid we have some fucking excitement
2. They act unless you have 5 fucking pro bowlers on the offensive line then you have to take an offensive linemen at all cost in the first round.
3. They all want a smashmouth running back. Dude, nobody gives a shit about smashmouth running backs anymore. Quit living in your fathers fucking NFL
4. Rant over.
Well, I'm one of the old folks, and I would take Manziel in a heartbeat. There was a guy named Fran Tarkenton in the "old days" that had a good bit of Manziel in him. I also like Zack Mettenberger pre injury. I do like smashmouth running backs, and they still have a place in the NFL, they're just not a 1st round value right now. I don't like loud mouth wide receivers. I like the Jerry Rice and Ozzie Newsome types. Catch the ball and don't bitch.
It's got nothing to do with age. It's just a preference. (Also, never cared to be refered to as "dude".
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to the OP.....who are these old geezers who continue to support Weedon? In fact i'd like you to find me one Browns fan of any age and of sound mind and body (ie not with downs syndrome or something)...who still wants to see Weedon out there.
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hey Walter, heres hoping that when you get to be an O.F. like some of us, we'll all be looking back at some Superbowl wins.....
A Browns team that was complete with a stud Oline, and a tenacious pass rushing defense....
because we all know, the game is won right there.
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@walterwhite said:
We should draft a smash-mouth running back like Trent Richardson and good pocket passer like Brandon Weeden.
Forget Russell Wilson or Ty Hilton, we got ourselves a good blue collar sumbitch DT like John Hughes instead.
Zach Mettenberger has a sexual assault charge, he's a laid back country boy, who gets injured, and got picking his nose and eating it on TV.
I think he'll fit right in here...
wow, what it must be like to be born with an ipad in your mouth. 1989? he'll i had 2 german whores sucking my cock in some brothel while you were being spit out.
you take one or two person's responses in a thread and then say THOUSANDS of browns fans want to take a guard @4? i'm not opposed to it, but i'm sure as hell not preaching it.
sure there is change all around us. just because there is change doesn't mean we have to rely on some young, dumb arrogant asshole's opinion, does it (meaning you)?
"oooh, if we don't draft a little QB that runs around like a pinball then the cleveland browns suck, the organization in it's totality sucks and everyone ever involved with the city of cleveland should be shot.
GO FUCK YOURSELF!!
you know dick, there are plenty of people that hated the drafting of TR and weeden and i'm one of them. BUT NO, just group me in with the old team philosophy that everyone with a brown's jersey wanted those picks.
there are no sure-things in a draft. he'll i'll physically get ill if we draft manziel. but if he turns out to be great, i'll be man enough to come on here and eat a crow pie and let everyone know that yes, i was an asshole.
will you do the same when he turns out to be a turnip in a wheelchair?
doubt it. cuz you aren't even a MAN yet.
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hey Walter, heres hoping that when you get to be an O.F. like some of us, we'll all be looking back at some Superbowl wins.....
A Browns team that was complete with a stud Oline, and a tenacious pass rushing defense....
because we all know, the game is won right there.
hey Walter, heres hoping that when you get to be an O.F. like some of us, we'll all be looking back at some Superbowl wins.....
A Browns team that was complete with a stud Oline, and a tenacious pass rushing defense....
because we all know, the game is won right there.
thank you lordy lordy lord.
can we get the stats on team's with the best defense in super bowl victories vs. the team with the best offense?
walterwhite is probably too young to remember bill parcells but he had a great quote that still rings true today:
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
don't ever forget it.
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@walterwhite said:
I meant no disrespect because my father is a Browns fan, and so is my older Brother.
I should of made this thread called "I don't like "older" Browns fan strategy.
But sweet holy shit, why the fuck do we need to draft a RT 4th overall which I keep seeing thousands of Browns fans clamoring for.
Then a guard, then a running back, etc.
I feel like I'm stuck in that town from Back To the Future After Biff put up the casino.
It's a passing fucking league.
Look at it like this:
2011: 6th overall
2012: 3rd overall & 22 overall
2013: 6th overall
2014: 4th overall & 26 overall.
If we can walk away with 6 first round picks since 2011, 4 of them in the top 10, and still don't have a franchise QB then we will look like the biggest group of fuck ups ever.
We HAVE to land either Bridgewater, Manziel, or Bortles at 4 or this draft is a total fucking failure.
I appreciate that you are big enough to say this. We may not agree on strategies but thats ok. Hell I don't want an OL at 4 this year either. At the end of the day some of us armchair draft experts will look like geniuses and some of us will look like idiots. Much the same as the people who actually run the drafts for the teams. I just hope this year we get it right. If we do and its totally opposite what I think we needed to do I will be thrilled to admit I was full of shit.
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@walterwhite said:
I meant no disrespect because my father is a Browns fan, and so is my older Brother.
I should of made this thread called "I don't like "older" Browns fan strategy.
But you didn't!! You decided to alienate a group of fans that have prob can come up with better "strategy" than you while firing off some knuckle children like yourself!
But sweet holy shit, why the fuck do we need to draft a RT 4th overall which I keep seeing thousands of Browns fans clamoring for.
Then a guard, then a running back, etc.
If this is the reason you hate OP or OF then u are listening or reading some total BS. I cant even find a topic on this board that says we should draft a Guard at #4.
When in reality i have heard way more dumbshit coming from Camp Suck John Football Cock than anything. Trade 3-4 1st rounders to move up to #1 acting like he is the gay love child of Brady and Manning.
I feel like I'm stuck in that town from Back To the Future After Biff put up the casino.
It's a passing fucking league.
Look at it like this:
2011: 6th overall
2012: 3rd overall & 22 overall
2013: 6th overall
2014: 4th overall & 26 overall.
If we can walk away with 6 first round picks since 2011, 4 of them in the top 10, and still don't have a franchise QB then we will look like the biggest group of fuck ups ever.
We HAVE to land either Bridgewater, Manziel, or Bortles at 4 or this draft is a total fucking failure.
So if I get this correct!!! If Browns take one of these 3 and only these 3 and whiff (which is a REAL possibilty) it wouldnt be a total fucking failure. Draft 2 1st Rounders since 2011 and still not have your franchise guy.
No chances are you will be the first ignorant MF to be standing their stoking your weenie whistle saying we shoulda taken whomever Houston took because they went straight to the playoffs with him. Ignoring the fact Houston is a playoff team without a qb next year.
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IM what you would consider a old browns fan and.........
1) I never thought weeden would be a star and no he dont deserve another chance
2) no i dont want a o lineman at 4 you can get them later in the draft
3) far as qb i dont care if its a running qb or a statue qb i care they have star quality and can win games
4) far as draft i think we def need a qb no question whether its at 4 im not sure im not sold thats there 1 superstar quality- manziel i worry bout how will hold up- bridgewater im not sure about sorta go up down on him- bortles i like his size but he didnt play against lot top notch teams imo.
5) all i care is they get a play maker who can help win games whether its a qb or whether its watkins
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@walterwhite said:
I meant no disrespect because my father is a Browns fan, and so is my older Brother.
I should of made this thread called "I don't like "older" Browns fan strategy.
But sweet holy shit, why the fuck do we need to draft a RT 4th overall which I keep seeing thousands of Browns fans clamoring for.
Then a guard, then a running back, etc.
I feel like I'm stuck in that town from Back To the Future After Biff put up the casino.
It's a passing fucking league.
Look at it like this:
2011: 6th overall
2012: 3rd overall & 22 overall
2013: 6th overall
2014: 4th overall & 26 overall.
If we can walk away with 6 first round picks since 2011, 4 of them in the top 10, and still don't have a franchise QB then we will look like the biggest group of fuck ups ever.
We HAVE to land either Bridgewater, Manziel, or Bortles at 4 or this draft is a total fucking failure.
We have To? Leaf #2 overall, Harrington #3 overall, Smith, #3 overall. Want to repeat that stellar record? You, me or anyone else has no fucking clue if the 2014 draft class will turn out any better. FYI, if Winston or Mariotta were (had) declared eligible, they'd be ranked ahead of every one of the current crop. Sorry about that.
@mike-h said:
This bolded text is the biggest problem I have with this board, and fans I talk to in general.
Everyone sees a bunch of mock drafts that people I know put together, who are guessing after the first 5 picks, and suddenly that gets used as facts when debating. Then on draft day, when a team makes a pick, everyone screams "steal" or "reach" like they have any fucking idea what that players value is.
Now, you can listen to my next bit of advice, or dont, I don't really care anymore, but it's the last I'm gonna say for awhile....
Quarterbacks have more value than other positions. So who's debating that? Just because YOU--who the fuck cares if you think any if the QBs in this class can be superstars?--don't see a player you want at #4, means absofuckinglutely nothing. But if you do, it means it does?
.......hypothetical............
If they take Garoppolo at 4, this place would explode, because everyone thinks they're an expert, and they will say, "he could have been had later"... No, numb nuts, you don't know that. Shut the fuck up.
You don't typically beat 31 other scouting departments by waiting until the third round or later to take a QB, it just doesn't happen as often. Too bad you won't admit it's happened damn recently, see Wilson, Russell, Foles, Nick.
Now, if the team wants to go with Hoyer, I STIll think they have to take a top QB to sit for a season, the way it should be done IMO.
If they have to trade a pick or two? So fucking what. 10 rookies FROM THIS DRAFT (not counting UDFA) are not going to make the Browns roster. Write that down. After all, there are thousands of elite players in the 2nd-7th rounds, yeah? Yes there are, FYI. Want me to start at Marquis Colston, and keep going? Oh, I forgot about Ray Lewis and Thurman Thomas. Maybe UFAs Johnny Unitas and Tony Romo, Antonio Gates really sucks, no? Or how about that 17th round draft choice Brian Sipe? When are you bozos going to kindly realize just drafting a guy in the top 10 is no freaking guarantee of success?
You really want to know why the Browns have sucked since 1999? They have figuratively shit the bed with their top picks since 1999. (Excepting the Joes- Thomas & Haden). With Lobotomy calling the shots, I wouldn't exactly hold my breath for better. Unless you want to call the results of the 2013 draft a stroke of genius. Couch, Courtney Brown. Worthless Warren instead of Ladanian Tomlinson. Smokin' Willie Green. (Known) Butterfingers Braylon- instead of AARON RODGERS Trading up to take Knieviel Winslow, especially when the Lions weren't going to take him anyway. Taking Kameron Wimbley instead of Haloti Ngata. The great Quinn maneuver cost them Percy Harvin and Chris Johnson. Don't even start on the T-suck-a-thon that I was vehemently against, and the soon to be released We-done. .
I would scream less if they took Garrapolo @ #4, than trading away 3 first round picks to take Manziel, and he flops.
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Older Browns fans have had been blessed with memories of what is was like to be a rooting tootin Browns fan back in the glory days (for me the pinnacle was the late eighties). We supported with pride teams with a true legacy who knew what it meant to put on the Browns colors. We rooted for unified teams with strong leadership on the field. If you didn't leave it all on the field every play and every fucking game.....you didn't play. Players didn't get married to their skank ho's during the season. You played through injuries and illness that today's players would never think of suiting up for. As cliched as it sounds it really seemed to be a team with solid "blue collar" ethics that the fans endeared themselves to.
Old Muni stadium was the Mecca of all things Browns. It was a rite of passage to make the pilgrimage for all the true believers of the Browns faith. Short of molesting young children or going on a shooting rampage most behavior was tolerated. You didn't have a bunch of homos squeezing your horse balls to see if you had any "contraband" upon entering the premises. There was none of the "no boooze after the third quarter" chicken shit and you could get as fuckered up as you wanted as long as you could make it out of the gates with or without your buddies help. i don't condone this, but yes, there used to be some hellacious fights usually when the squeelers came to town. In the stands, pregame, postgame...anywhere anytime Fights were not the exemption but the norm. I witnessed Browns fans tipping over a car and giving the occupants a pummeling when they tried to drive through a crowd in front of Muni.
All I want to say about the current state of Browns affairs is that the culture of Browns pride never migrated from the old to the new version 15 years ago. Maybe someday soon they can bring in some personnel who can motivate and lead......Until then i refrain from draft evaluation and other speculative matters because i just don't have the fuckin energy anymore.
I knew things have changed in Cleveland forever after the 2012 St Louis game. As I stood in a mostly empty stadium throwing every imaginable insult at the Browns players I was confronted by a young mother with her teenage kids. She tuned me up pretty good regarding my behavior, but all I could do was look at her and her boys while shaking my head in utter disappointment and yearning for a time long gone. So it goes....
brilliant post. Kudos.Older Browns fans have had been blessed with memories of what is was like to be a rooting tootin Browns fan back in the glory days (for me the pinnacle was the late eighties). We supported with pride teams with a true legacy who knew what it meant to put on the Browns colors. We rooted for unified teams with strong leadership on the field. If you didn't leave it all on the field every play and every fucking game.....you didn't play. Players didn't get married to their skank ho's during the season. You played through injuries and illness that today's players would never think of suiting up for. As cliched as it sounds it really seemed to be a team with solid "blue collar" ethics that the fans endeared themselves to.
Old Muni stadium was the Mecca of all things Browns. It was a rite of passage to make the pilgrimage for all the true believers of the Browns faith. Short of molesting young children or going on a shooting rampage most behavior was tolerated. You didn't have a bunch of homos squeezing your horse balls to see if you had any "contraband" upon entering the premises. There was none of the "no boooze after the third quarter" chicken shit and you could get as fuckered up as you wanted as long as you could make it out of the gates with or without your buddies help. i don't condone this, but yes, there used to be some hellacious fights usually when the squeelers came to town. In the stands, pregame, postgame...anywhere anytime Fights were not the exemption but the norm. I witnessed Browns fans tipping over a car and giving the occupants a pummeling when they tried to drive through a crowd in front of Muni.
All I want to say about the current state of Browns affairs is that the culture of Browns pride never migrated from the old to the new version 15 years ago. Maybe someday soon they can bring in some personnel who can motivate and lead......Until then i refrain from draft evaluation and other speculative matters because i just don't have the fuckin energy anymore.
I knew things have changed in Cleveland forever after the 2012 St Louis game. As I stood in a mostly empty stadium throwing every imaginable insult at the Browns players I was confronted by a young mother with her teenage kids. She tuned me up pretty good regarding my behavior, but all I could do was look at her and her boys while shaking my head in utter disappointment and yearning for a time long gone. So it goes....
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Agreed. The old Municipal stadium had a personality. As soon as you walked into it, you could feel it. The new stadium doesn't have it, and probably never will.
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yes that might be the case with the fans at games....but we are off-topic then.
i first started watching home-grown football with the minnifield/dixon, metcalf, byner and mack browns,
the fact that some young dumb xbox360 player can come in here and tell us guys that are closer to 60 than 40 has me all up in arms (meanwhile the douche has an avatar with andre the giant in it) goes to show me that he knows less than me about football.
hell if i wanna know stats and FO workings i'll ask TCPO cuz he knows everything about football and recruiting for his div 3 iv cactus league team.
derek carr would fuck up anyone in your league, correct?
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What an immature post. It's not just about the Browns. It's also about the city. A city that used to be great.
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