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  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    Really, someone, anyone, state the best scientific evidence that is available for the Christian idea of the origin story.

    Or, for the more religion removed intelligent design case. Which is still basically a god leaving his/her/its imprint on the living world in some way.

    What proof or evidence is there for either of those two things?

    Sit there and post videos, call me stupid, do whatever idiotic shit you like. But if you cant even sit here and defend your own beliefs then maybe you should take some time and reflect on them yourself...

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    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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    @mld-woody said:

    Really, someone, anyone, state the best scientific evidence that is available for the Christian idea of the origin story.

    Or, for the more religion removed intelligent design case. Which is still basically a god leaving his/her/its imprint on the living world in some way.

    What proof or evidence is there for either of those two things?

    Sit there and post videos, call me stupid, do whatever idiotic shit you like. But if you cant even sit here and defend your own beliefs then maybe you should take some time and reflect on them yourself...

    I am going to start a belief that the tooth fairy was behind the Big Bang. I mean, there are questions about evolution so that absolutely means that the tooth fairy started it all.

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      @mld-woody said:

      Really, someone, anyone, state the best scientific evidence that is available for the Christian idea of the origin story.

      Or, for the more religion removed intelligent design case. Which is still basically a god leaving his/her/its imprint on the living world in some way.

      What proof or evidence is there for either of those two things?

      Sit there and post videos, call me stupid, do whatever idiotic shit you like. But if you cant even sit here and defend your own beliefs then maybe you should take some time and reflect on them yourself...

      I am going to start a belief that the tooth fairy was behind the Big Bang. I mean, there are questions about evolution so that absolutely means that the tooth fairy started it all.

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      MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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      @logicisforsquares said:

      I am going to start a belief that the tooth fairy was behind the Big Bang. I mean, there are questions about evolution so that absolutely means that the tooth fairy started it all.

      How old is your book with the tooth fairy origin story though? That is the difference between a religion and a cult

      Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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        LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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        Give it a few years. and I think I will be rolling in that naive Retard money.

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          F FairHooker11 wrote on last edited by
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          like I said, arrogant.....

          and ad hominems aside, I answered honestly dude....

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            MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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            I answered honestly as well.

            I am just waiting for whatever evidence you can come up with.

            I just want to people actually try to support their beliefs.

            Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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              LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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              What is wrong with someone believing in the tooth fairy being behind the Big Bang? I hope Fox News writes about how Toothfairians are being persecuted.

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                F FairHooker11 wrote on last edited by FairHooker11
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                I answered honestly as well.

                I am just waiting for whatever evidence you can come up with.

                spoken like the two liner sychophant you are lol 😛

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                  MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                  Alright FairHooker, I am done. Believe whatever you want. Free country.

                  But don't drag down scientific theories to the level of creationism. Don't equate it to nothing better than faith. Especially when you can't even present anything to support your beliefs other than faith.

                  Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                    Legacy FanL Legacy Fan wrote on last edited by Legacy Fan
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                    Every time I've ever exploded 1 big thing, the result perfect spheres - each sphere unique in it's composition and make-up, sharing nothing in common with each other, other than their proximity.

                    Also, after the explosion, total amnesia as to what caused the explosion, and no evidence of what the spheres composed prior to the explosion.

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                      LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                      Yes that is exactly what happened. All at once everything exploded and it all became perfect unique spheres. We will ignore the billions and trillions of years.

                      I will instead opt for believing the much more feasible explanation that a bearded man in the clouds planned it all.

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                        Legacy FanL Legacy Fan wrote on last edited by
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                        Several of you in here were demanding evidence for intelligent design in such a pompous manner it almost seemed like you had evidence to support another theory.

                        I was merely reminding you that you don't.

                        Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck. -Don Shula
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                          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                          Right, there is no evidence to support the big bang theory. None at all. Science just pulled that out of its ass and now we are forcing good, god fearing religious foke to believe in this blasphemous idea just out of spite and the war on religion!

                          Yeah, no evidence...

                          I went over this in an earlier post. Argument from Ignorance. Just because we can not fill in everything 100%, it is not a win for creationism/intelligent design.

                          And again, give me ANY SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE for the other side. I honestly want to know.

                          Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                            Legacy FanL Legacy Fan wrote on last edited by
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                            Observation of results do not equal evidence supporting a theory. Weren't you all over somebody about causation & correlation?

                            Yes we can observe planets, light year phenomena, etc. We can't exactly say what caused it though.

                            To that point, a white beard seems as logical as any other theory (in that they're all utterly ridiculous).

                            Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck. -Don Shula
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                              MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by MLD Woody
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                              That is a 30+ minute long video. Clearly you didn't watch it.

                              We can put forth a scientific theory that best fits what we see now, makes sense mathematically, has evidence of its occurrence, etc etc. What are you looking for, us to manually create a big bang?

                              It is observation of results of the hypothesis proposed. It is peer reviewed work. It is following mathematical laws in place. Not to mention the experiments by astrophysicists and the like.

                              How on earth is this equally ridiculous? Are you at the point now where you aren't going to attempt to defend any of them? Just stick your nose in the air, say they are all ridiculous and leave it at that? I take it I will never get and evidence for the other side then... shocker

                              Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                                DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                Woody is a fucking idiot. God help our engineering.

                                "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                                  MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by MLD Woody
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                                  Diehard, do you honestly think I care what you say about me? You have proven time and time again to be the most overall ignorant person on this board. You are an old kook and your opinions have no bearing on myself or the rest of society.

                                  Also, I love the content filled comment there bub. Way to add to the topic. I know it is hard for you to add an intelligent viewpoint, but try.

                                  Really, what evidence do you have to support your creationist ideals DieHard? Do you simply have "faith", or do you have anything more tangible? Add to the "debate" man. Go ahead. I can't wait to hear your brilliance... amuse me

                                  Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                                    Diehard, do you honestly think I care what you say about me? You have proven time and time again to be the most overall ignorant person on this board. You are an old kook and your opinions have no bearing on myself or the rest of society.

                                    Also, I love the content filled comment there bub. Way to add to the topic. I know it is hard for you to add an intelligent viewpoint, but try.

                                    Really, what evidence do you have to support your creationist ideals DieHard? Do you simply have "faith", or do you have anything more tangible? Add to the "debate" man. Go ahead. I can't wait to hear your brilliance... amuse me

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                                    DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                    @mld-woody said:

                                    Diehard, do you honestly think I care what you say about me? You have proven time and time again to be the most overall ignorant person on this board. You are an old kook and your opinions have no bearing on myself or the rest of society.

                                    Also, I love the content filled comment there bub. Way to add to the topic. I know it is hard for you to add an intelligent viewpoint, but try.

                                    Really, what evidence do you have to support your creationist ideals DieHard? Do you simply have "faith", or do you have anything more tangible? Add to the "debate" man. Go ahead. I can't wait to hear your brilliance... amuse me

                                    You don't know how old I'am Peckerhead. You guess. You are stupid with no common sense as I stated previously. I think you're a spoiled punk. And I'm not alone in that. You are afraid of believing in god. Probably because you got butt fucked by your boy scout leader. Not my problem. You're still a fucking idiot.

                                    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                                      MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                      Hahahahaha... yeah I am afraid of believing in god. You got me. I mean, no need to support your side when you can just claim I am too afraid to believe you side...

                                      Support your beliefs. Do you have anything in that regard? Or do you just believe "just because"....

                                      Also, never was in scouts.

                                      Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                                        @mld-woody said:

                                        Diehard, do you honestly think I care what you say about me? You have proven time and time again to be the most overall ignorant person on this board. You are an old kook and your opinions have no bearing on myself or the rest of society.

                                        Also, I love the content filled comment there bub. Way to add to the topic. I know it is hard for you to add an intelligent viewpoint, but try.

                                        Really, what evidence do you have to support your creationist ideals DieHard? Do you simply have "faith", or do you have anything more tangible? Add to the "debate" man. Go ahead. I can't wait to hear your brilliance... amuse me

                                        You don't know how old I'am Peckerhead. You guess. You are stupid with no common sense as I stated previously. I think you're a spoiled punk. And I'm not alone in that. You are afraid of believing in god. Probably because you got butt fucked by your boy scout leader. Not my problem. You're still a fucking idiot.

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                                        LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                                        @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                        You don't know how old I'am Peckerhead. You guess. You are stupid with no common sense as I stated previously. I think you're a spoiled punk. And I'm not alone in that. You are afraid of believing in god. Probably because you got butt fucked by your boy scout leader. Not my problem. You're still a fucking idiot.

                                        The scout leader just has to ask for forgiveness and he can go to heaven.

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                                          gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                          This whole thread had me speechless for a while (and knowing me, I usually have something to say, that's quite an achievement). Needless to say, I'm coming down on the side of the science. And no, the big bang theory isn't a ridiculously illogical as the bearded man in the sky argument. There's no point listing all the arguments for the big bang, it's summed up quite well by Woody's video.

                                          Nobody is claiming that the big bang theory fits everything. There are still a couple of not insignificant details that it cant explain. For example, we can explain what happened as far back in time as the first picosecond, but we can't explain what happened before that in the explosion. It doesn't explain what happens before the explosion. Was there just a great mass of nothing? Perhaps a pre-existing universe had expanded until it started collapsing in on itself and then at the point where everything had collapsed in on itself completely, our big bang happened.

                                          However, the evidence supports the theory as it stands now, as far back as the tiniest fraction of a second after the big bang. Probably, nobody's going to throw out the big bang theory; it'll most likely be tweaked to fit new data. There's a chance it'll be completely scrapped in favour of a new theory. One thing I'm confident about is that the subsequent theories are not going to involve the bearded man.

                                          I like the comparison he makes with Kepler; he proposed a heliocentric universe, with planets rotating around the sun in perfect circles. It was pretty much right, but needed a little fine tuning to the point where we can now tack the planets with as much accuracy than we can track a bouncing ball. Big bang theory is most likely going that way; not the way of the geocentric universe.

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