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I answered honestly as well.
I am just waiting for whatever evidence you can come up with.
spoken like the two liner sychophant you are lol
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Alright FairHooker, I am done. Believe whatever you want. Free country.
But don't drag down scientific theories to the level of creationism. Don't equate it to nothing better than faith. Especially when you can't even present anything to support your beliefs other than faith.
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Every time I've ever exploded 1 big thing, the result perfect spheres - each sphere unique in it's composition and make-up, sharing nothing in common with each other, other than their proximity.
Also, after the explosion, total amnesia as to what caused the explosion, and no evidence of what the spheres composed prior to the explosion.
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Yes that is exactly what happened. All at once everything exploded and it all became perfect unique spheres. We will ignore the billions and trillions of years.
I will instead opt for believing the much more feasible explanation that a bearded man in the clouds planned it all.
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Several of you in here were demanding evidence for intelligent design in such a pompous manner it almost seemed like you had evidence to support another theory.
I was merely reminding you that you don't.
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Right, there is no evidence to support the big bang theory. None at all. Science just pulled that out of its ass and now we are forcing good, god fearing religious foke to believe in this blasphemous idea just out of spite and the war on religion!
Yeah, no evidence...
I went over this in an earlier post. Argument from Ignorance. Just because we can not fill in everything 100%, it is not a win for creationism/intelligent design.
And again, give me ANY SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE for the other side. I honestly want to know.
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Observation of results do not equal evidence supporting a theory. Weren't you all over somebody about causation & correlation?
Yes we can observe planets, light year phenomena, etc. We can't exactly say what caused it though.
To that point, a white beard seems as logical as any other theory (in that they're all utterly ridiculous).
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That is a 30+ minute long video. Clearly you didn't watch it.
We can put forth a scientific theory that best fits what we see now, makes sense mathematically, has evidence of its occurrence, etc etc. What are you looking for, us to manually create a big bang?
It is observation of results of the hypothesis proposed. It is peer reviewed work. It is following mathematical laws in place. Not to mention the experiments by astrophysicists and the like.
How on earth is this equally ridiculous? Are you at the point now where you aren't going to attempt to defend any of them? Just stick your nose in the air, say they are all ridiculous and leave it at that? I take it I will never get and evidence for the other side then... shocker
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Woody is a fucking idiot. God help our engineering.
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Diehard, do you honestly think I care what you say about me? You have proven time and time again to be the most overall ignorant person on this board. You are an old kook and your opinions have no bearing on myself or the rest of society.
Also, I love the content filled comment there bub. Way to add to the topic. I know it is hard for you to add an intelligent viewpoint, but try.
Really, what evidence do you have to support your creationist ideals DieHard? Do you simply have "faith", or do you have anything more tangible? Add to the "debate" man. Go ahead. I can't wait to hear your brilliance... amuse me
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Diehard, do you honestly think I care what you say about me? You have proven time and time again to be the most overall ignorant person on this board. You are an old kook and your opinions have no bearing on myself or the rest of society.
Also, I love the content filled comment there bub. Way to add to the topic. I know it is hard for you to add an intelligent viewpoint, but try.
Really, what evidence do you have to support your creationist ideals DieHard? Do you simply have "faith", or do you have anything more tangible? Add to the "debate" man. Go ahead. I can't wait to hear your brilliance... amuse me
Diehard, do you honestly think I care what you say about me? You have proven time and time again to be the most overall ignorant person on this board. You are an old kook and your opinions have no bearing on myself or the rest of society.
Also, I love the content filled comment there bub. Way to add to the topic. I know it is hard for you to add an intelligent viewpoint, but try.
Really, what evidence do you have to support your creationist ideals DieHard? Do you simply have "faith", or do you have anything more tangible? Add to the "debate" man. Go ahead. I can't wait to hear your brilliance... amuse me
You don't know how old I'am Peckerhead. You guess. You are stupid with no common sense as I stated previously. I think you're a spoiled punk. And I'm not alone in that. You are afraid of believing in god. Probably because you got butt fucked by your boy scout leader. Not my problem. You're still a fucking idiot.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Hahahahaha... yeah I am afraid of believing in god. You got me. I mean, no need to support your side when you can just claim I am too afraid to believe you side...
Support your beliefs. Do you have anything in that regard? Or do you just believe "just because"....
Also, never was in scouts.
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Diehard, do you honestly think I care what you say about me? You have proven time and time again to be the most overall ignorant person on this board. You are an old kook and your opinions have no bearing on myself or the rest of society.
Also, I love the content filled comment there bub. Way to add to the topic. I know it is hard for you to add an intelligent viewpoint, but try.
Really, what evidence do you have to support your creationist ideals DieHard? Do you simply have "faith", or do you have anything more tangible? Add to the "debate" man. Go ahead. I can't wait to hear your brilliance... amuse me
You don't know how old I'am Peckerhead. You guess. You are stupid with no common sense as I stated previously. I think you're a spoiled punk. And I'm not alone in that. You are afraid of believing in god. Probably because you got butt fucked by your boy scout leader. Not my problem. You're still a fucking idiot.
You don't know how old I'am Peckerhead. You guess. You are stupid with no common sense as I stated previously. I think you're a spoiled punk. And I'm not alone in that. You are afraid of believing in god. Probably because you got butt fucked by your boy scout leader. Not my problem. You're still a fucking idiot.
The scout leader just has to ask for forgiveness and he can go to heaven.
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This whole thread had me speechless for a while (and knowing me, I usually have something to say, that's quite an achievement). Needless to say, I'm coming down on the side of the science. And no, the big bang theory isn't a ridiculously illogical as the bearded man in the sky argument. There's no point listing all the arguments for the big bang, it's summed up quite well by Woody's video.
Nobody is claiming that the big bang theory fits everything. There are still a couple of not insignificant details that it cant explain. For example, we can explain what happened as far back in time as the first picosecond, but we can't explain what happened before that in the explosion. It doesn't explain what happens before the explosion. Was there just a great mass of nothing? Perhaps a pre-existing universe had expanded until it started collapsing in on itself and then at the point where everything had collapsed in on itself completely, our big bang happened.
However, the evidence supports the theory as it stands now, as far back as the tiniest fraction of a second after the big bang. Probably, nobody's going to throw out the big bang theory; it'll most likely be tweaked to fit new data. There's a chance it'll be completely scrapped in favour of a new theory. One thing I'm confident about is that the subsequent theories are not going to involve the bearded man.
I like the comparison he makes with Kepler; he proposed a heliocentric universe, with planets rotating around the sun in perfect circles. It was pretty much right, but needed a little fine tuning to the point where we can now tack the planets with as much accuracy than we can track a bouncing ball. Big bang theory is most likely going that way; not the way of the geocentric universe.
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Well its settled then.........
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Well its settled then.........
Well its settled then.........
It actually is settled. Science doesn't care what you think, what I think, what woody thinks. Science doesn't care if you've spent your whole life researching something that turns out to be wrong. Science doesn't care that you've spent your whole life believing one thing and it proves it to be false.
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I think you are very wrong there Chris. I believe scientists, which actually are science just because of its very makeup, care very much about their theories and guesses. Its natural to work very hard to pursue a theory that you've come up with, much like the prosecution in a criminal case. It's not a question for the truth its a quest to prove their own assertions up until a certain point. To me, a lay person, The Big Bang Theory sounds silly. Why? because it starts with a silly premise. Okay there's a big bunch of shit here and then it blows up it becomes all this other shit. Thank you sir where did the original big bunch of shit come from? Shut up and sit down. You see you can't just tell me that there's a bunch of shit that came out of nowhere. Its not within the realm of human Sensibility to understand eternity. You can't do it we can't do it and scientists can't do it. But they can wrap up this series and ideas in a great deal of scientific mumbo jumbo.
Of course a lot of people think that's really cool, and neat and Nifty! But, and it's not like I'm a creationist, but just don't waste my time with theories that go beyond what you could possibly know. Hey don't hand me anything that deals with something beyond a certain point like well here's where the universe ends. Ok great what's on the other side of that? Or here's where time begins. Wonderful what was before that? Answer either of those with any kind of rational answer and I might think you have something.
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Kind of like the Steve Martin joke that goes like this... How to have a million dollars and never pay taxes... First,,,,, get a million dollars...
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Well its settled then.........
It actually is settled. Science doesn't care what you think, what I think, what woody thinks. Science doesn't care if you've spent your whole life researching something that turns out to be wrong. Science doesn't care that you've spent your whole life believing one thing and it proves it to be false.
It actually is settled. Science doesn't care what you think, what I think, what woody thinks. Science doesn't care if you've spent your whole life researching something that turns out to be wrong. Science doesn't care that you've spent your whole life believing one thing and it proves it to be false.
No. Just because you say so, don't make it so.
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I think you are very wrong there Chris. I believe scientists, which actually are science just because of its very makeup, care very much about their theories and guesses. Its natural to work very hard to pursue a theory that you've come up with, much like the prosecution in a criminal case. It's not a question for the truth its a quest to prove their own assertions up until a certain point. To me, a lay person, The Big Bang Theory sounds silly. Why? because it starts with a silly premise. Okay there's a big bunch of shit here and then it blows up it becomes all this other shit. Thank you sir where did the original big bunch of shit come from? Shut up and sit down. You see you can't just tell me that there's a bunch of shit that came out of nowhere. Its not within the realm of human Sensibility to understand eternity. You can't do it we can't do it and scientists can't do it. But they can wrap up this series and ideas in a great deal of scientific mumbo jumbo.
Of course a lot of people think that's really cool, and neat and Nifty! But, and it's not like I'm a creationist, but just don't waste my time with theories that go beyond what you could possibly know. Hey don't hand me anything that deals with something beyond a certain point like well here's where the universe ends. Ok great what's on the other side of that? Or here's where time begins. Wonderful what was before that? Answer either of those with any kind of rational answer and I might think you have something.
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I believe scientists, which actually are science just because of its very makeup, care very much about their theories and guesses.
There's a distinction between science and scientists, like there's a distinction between doctors and medicine. Scientists get very invested an an idea, sure, but actual science does not. For example. you want to believe that the earth is flat? Great, don't care, it's wrong. You want to believe the earth is the centre of the universe? Nope, wrong again.
(not saying you believe those things, just an example of the harshness of science).
Its natural to work very hard to pursue a theory that you've come up with, much like the prosecution in a criminal case. It's not a question for the truth its a quest to prove their own assertions up until a certain point.
No, I disagree. Most scientists that are researching this kind of thing are doing so for the love of the subject. They want to be the first guy to prove a theory, and they might want their theory to be true, but wanting to be true a theory doesn't make it so. The science is what it is, no amount of wishing will change it. And when I say science, I don't mean our current understanding of the universe, I mean the actual physics of the universe.
To me, a lay person, The Big Bang Theory sounds silly. Why? because it starts with a silly premise. Okay there's a big bunch of shit here and then it blows up it becomes all this other shit. Thank you sir where did the original big bunch of shit come from? Shut up and sit down.
This is what I said - big bang theory can't explain that yet. That doesn't mean it's wrong. It just means that we're missing a piece of the puzzle.
You see you can't just tell me that there's a bunch of shit that came out of nowhere. Its not within the realm of human Sensibility to understand eternity. You can't do it we can't do it and scientists can't do it. But they can wrap up this series and ideas in a great deal of scientific mumbo jumbo.
And this is why one can't understand it intuitively, nobody's asking you to. You don't try to understand chaos theory just to make sense of the weather report, just just trust that the scientists know what they're doing. Similarly, you don't go and get a degree in aerophysics before taking a flight. If you want to get a fundamental understanding of the big bang theory then I suggest starting with a degree in astrophysics.
Of course a lot of people think that's really cool, and neat and Nifty! But, and it's not like I'm a creationist, but just don't waste my time with theories that go beyond what you could possibly know. Hey don't hand me anything that deals with something beyond a certain point like well here's where the universe ends. Ok great what's on the other side of that? Or here's where time begins. Wonderful what was before that? Answer either of those with any kind of rational answer and I might think you have something.
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Steve, I completely get what you're saying, believe me. It's what drives every scientist that's working on this stuff. Big Bang is a great start, but what about X, Y and Z? Can't explain that yet, so let's keep going. If scientists thought they had all the answers, there'd be no more scientists.
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