what is paytons legacy now?
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So you think they should've stopped doing what got them to the superbowl against a D were short passes are your best chance. Makes since
It's not like he didn't try going deep at all, they just weren't completed
Thats interesting that Manning has thrown more short passes than any other QB though...isn't that the big knock on the Carr kid?
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, and Denver's receivers are super talented which helps on the short passes. But they kept doing the same game plan well after seattle shut it down.So you think they should've stopped doing what got them to the superbowl against a D were short passes are your best chance. Makes since
It's not like he didn't try going deep at all, they just weren't completed
Thats interesting that Manning has thrown more short passes than any other QB though...isn't that the big knock on the Carr kid?
Seattle's defense is also super talented.
Peyton had less time than usual, IMO that's the only way to beat peyton.
Peyton didn't play a good game though, its not his fault entirely obviously, but he didn't play good. There's no refuting he isn't great by anybody. Today he was bad.
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like i always say
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
passing league and fagboy QB talk ain't got nothing on a 6' 3" 250 pound safety that will crack you in half when you come across the middle or a pass rush that has you look like the lead penguin in 'happy feet'.
now od you little fags realize why i like clowney @4?
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like i always say
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
passing league and fagboy QB talk ain't got nothing on a 6' 3" 250 pound safety that will crack you in half when you come across the middle or a pass rush that has you look like the lead penguin in 'happy feet'.
now od you little fags realize why i like clowney @4?
like i always say
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
passing league and fagboy QB talk ain't got nothing on a 6' 3" 250 pound safety that will crack you in half when you come across the middle or a pass rush that has you look like the lead penguin in 'happy feet'.
now od you little fags realize why i like clowney @4?
I'd be perfectly fine with us building a truly stout defense and worrying about the offense later.
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like i always say
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
passing league and fagboy QB talk ain't got nothing on a 6' 3" 250 pound safety that will crack you in half when you come across the middle or a pass rush that has you look like the lead penguin in 'happy feet'.
now od you little fags realize why i like clowney @4?
I'd be perfectly fine with us building a truly stout defense and worrying about the offense later.
I'd be perfectly fine with us building a truly stout defense and worrying about the offense later.
we have enough picks if used wisely to do a little on both sides. but why not finish one side of the ball with your prime picks? the defense is much closer to being finished with a couple of high draft picks and a FA signing here or there.
guess banner was kicking himself in the ass when we didn't acquire avril from detroit after seeing his performance tonite.
instead we got kreuger. weep wop.
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I'd be perfectly fine with us building a truly stout defense and worrying about the offense later.
we have enough picks if used wisely to do a little on both sides. but why not finish one side of the ball with your prime picks? the defense is much closer to being finished with a couple of high draft picks and a FA signing here or there.
guess banner was kicking himself in the ass when we didn't acquire avril from detroit after seeing his performance tonite.
instead we got kreuger. weep wop.
we have enough picks if used wisely to do a little on both sides. but why not finish one side of the ball with your prime picks? the defense is much closer to being finished with a couple of high draft picks and a FA signing here or there.
guess banner was kicking himself in the ass when we didn't acquire avril from detroit after seeing his performance tonite.
instead we got kreuger. weep wop.
We have enough picks and cap space to improve on both sides. But you're right in that the defense is closer to being a top of the league unit then the offense. I'd stick with Hoyer, pick another QB in the mid rounds (Boyd if he's truly going to fall), and play kick ass defense and see what happens.
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like i always say
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
passing league and fagboy QB talk ain't got nothing on a 6' 3" 250 pound safety that will crack you in half when you come across the middle or a pass rush that has you look like the lead penguin in 'happy feet'.
now od you little fags realize why i like clowney @4?
I don't think clowney will fall to 4. I'm also big on dennard who I don't think will fall to #26 either.like i always say
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
passing league and fagboy QB talk ain't got nothing on a 6' 3" 250 pound safety that will crack you in half when you come across the middle or a pass rush that has you look like the lead penguin in 'happy feet'.
now od you little fags realize why i like clowney @4?
I think the main reason more people haven't mentioned clowney is one of the 3 teams above us will take him.
But I'm not a pro scout like Mike H, so my opinion in February is irrelevant.
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This has to hurt him...bad
No it doesn't. He is the best qb of this generation. He is a 1st ballot HOF'er
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lol....at zumbo
LOL... "zumbo"... gotta remember that...
Peyton had less time than usual, IMO that's the o.nly way to beat peyton.
In general it's the only way to beat any top QB. It's just easier to beat Peyton with pressure because he's at that immobile, nearing-the-end-of-his-career stage.
passing league and fagboy QB talk ain't got nothing on a 6' 3" 250 pound safety that will crack you in half when you come across the middle or a pass rush that has you look like the lead penguin in 'happy feet'.
now od you little fags realize why i like clowney @4?
So your plan is to put Clowney at Safety? BRILLIANT!
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I'd be perfectly fine with us building a truly stout defense and worrying about the offense later.
we have enough picks if used wisely to do a little on both sides. but why not finish one side of the ball with your prime picks? the defense is much closer to being finished with a couple of high draft picks and a FA signing here or there.
guess banner was kicking himself in the ass when we didn't acquire avril from detroit after seeing his performance tonite.
instead we got kreuger. weep wop.
we have enough picks if used wisely to do a little on both sides. but why not finish one side of the ball with your prime picks? the defense is much closer to being finished with a couple of high draft picks and a FA signing here or there.
guess banner was kicking himself in the ass when we didn't acquire avril from detroit after seeing his performance tonite.
instead we got kreuger. weep wop.
I'm starting to feel this way also. We can still end up with a QB and improve our D.
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Well its easier to get a great defensive player in later rounds than a great Offensive player. IMO.I know I know everyone can point to Offensive players that are hall of famers that came in later rounds.But its easier to get a starting safety in the 3rd round than a starting QB.
If Cleveland builds defenise and pushes their record to 7-9,8-8,9-7 then its much much harder to get the QB and WR that are most likely to be great players.
If they improve D this year they will likely draft lower next year and the QB,s will be gone
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Ok so when Denver wins (weakest strength of schedule in the NFL FYI) it is Manning's glorious win. When they lose it was the team played like shit. I called it, he is NOT the same player. Where are all the sports people now, while we had to endure hours upon hours of St. Manning. Now the team played horrible agreed, but if there is one single player that deserves the blame it's him. He calls 75% of the plays for fuck sake. Congrats Seattle.
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lol....at zumbo
LOL... "zumbo"... gotta remember that...
Peyton had less time than usual, IMO that's the o.nly way to beat peyton.
In general it's the only way to beat any top QB. It's just easier to beat Peyton with pressure because he's at that immobile, nearing-the-end-of-his-career stage.
passing league and fagboy QB talk ain't got nothing on a 6' 3" 250 pound safety that will crack you in half when you come across the middle or a pass rush that has you look like the lead penguin in 'happy feet'.
now od you little fags realize why i like clowney @4?
So your plan is to put Clowney at Safety? BRILLIANT!
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I always get flamed for this, but Manning is the best regular season player of all time at the QB position but just mediocre in the big games. Before you all start saying 'oh I'd take for the Browns anyway' of course I would too. From a pure talent standpoint you could make a logical case he's the best QB to ever play the game. But come on, when are people going to stop making excuses for his sub-par playoff performances? There's no doubt the guy is a 1st ballot HOF player and I'm glad he has a ring, but a lot of someone's 'legacy' in the NFL is winning playoff games.
Denver ran into a buzzsaw, and yes some plays (the kickoff TD, the safety, and the fumble) weren't on him. But Manning also made terrible decisions and crapped the bed too. I was genuinely rooting for the guy because I wanted him to get a 2nd ring, but I've never seen people not just on here but everywhere make excuses for a guy more than Manning. Cris Carter said it best this morning (I'm paraphrasing here): Why does Manning get a pass for criticism? Marino didn't, Brady doesn't, other greats don't. So why should Manning get the tired excuses people make every time he goes out there and doesn't play well?
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I always get flamed for this, but Manning is the best regular season player of all time at the QB position but just mediocre in the big games. Before you all start saying 'oh I'd take for the Browns anyway' of course I would too. From a pure talent standpoint you could make a logical case he's the best QB to ever play the game. But come on, when are people going to stop making excuses for his sub-par playoff performances? There's no doubt the guy is a 1st ballot HOF player and I'm glad he has a ring, but a lot of someone's 'legacy' in the NFL is winning playoff games.
Denver ran into a buzzsaw, and yes some plays (the kickoff TD, the safety, and the fumble) weren't on him. But Manning also made terrible decisions and crapped the bed too. I was genuinely rooting for the guy because I wanted him to get a 2nd ring, but I've never seen people not just on here but everywhere make excuses for a guy more than Manning. Cris Carter said it best this morning (I'm paraphrasing here): Why does Manning get a pass for criticism? Marino didn't, Brady doesn't, other greats don't. So why should Manning get the tired excuses people make every time he goes out there and doesn't play well?
Denver ran into a buzzsaw, and yes some plays (the kickoff TD, the safety, and the fumble) weren't on him. But Manning also made terrible decisions and crapped the bed too.
Whenever Peyton had the time, he did fine. And Denver's D did not exactly stand up after the 'Hawks first three series.
Seahawks simply dictated the game by not allowing Peyton the time he needed in the first half.
As a result by halftime the game circumstances added their weight to Seattle's will and the game was essentially over.
All that said, I thought the most impressive time for Seattle came on the Offensive series following Denver's lone TD. They resisted the inclination to go conservative and run run run the clock, and instead kept the game in Wilson's hands and passed passed passed to a TD that told the Broncos to...
fuggedaboutit...
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As far as I am concerned, this game affects Peyton Manning's status very little.
People say that if he had won that he would be the GOAT because he would have been the only QB to win a SB with 2 different teams.
Well......what it would have done is tie him in that category with Tobin Rote. Rote won titles with 2 teams (Lions/Chargers)...and I don't see too many of you touting Tobin Rote as the GOAT.
Hell....Kurt Warner came a lot closer....within seconds. No one thinks of him as the GOAT.
Peyton will NOT slip from being a Top Ten QB.....maybe even Top 5. Even if he had won I am not so sure that he would have put himself above the likes of Baugh/Luckman/Graham/Elway/Marino/Montana/Brady/Starr/Bradshaw
He is still in that group. He is not demoted....nor would a win have promoted him beyond them.
Not in my opinion.
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I'd be perfectly fine with us building a truly stout defense and worrying about the offense later.
we have enough picks if used wisely to do a little on both sides. but why not finish one side of the ball with your prime picks? the defense is much closer to being finished with a couple of high draft picks and a FA signing here or there.
guess banner was kicking himself in the ass when we didn't acquire avril from detroit after seeing his performance tonite.
instead we got kreuger. weep wop.
we have enough picks if used wisely to do a little on both sides. but why not finish one side of the ball with your prime picks? the defense is much closer to being finished with a couple of high draft picks and a FA signing here or there.
guess banner was kicking himself in the ass when we didn't acquire avril from detroit after seeing his performance tonite.
instead we got kreuger. weep wop.
Our defense might just be an offense away from being finished... We could have 11 top 5 picks on the defense, but if the offense can't convert 3rd downs it won't mean sh**...
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As far as I am concerned, this game affects Peyton Manning's status very little.
People say that if he had won that he would be the GOAT because he would have been the only QB to win a SB with 2 different teams.
Well......what it would have done is tie him in that category with Tobin Rote. Rote won titles with 2 teams (Lions/Chargers)...and I don't see too many of you touting Tobin Rote as the GOAT.
Hell....Kurt Warner came a lot closer....within seconds. No one thinks of him as the GOAT.
Peyton will NOT slip from being a Top Ten QB.....maybe even Top 5. Even if he had won I am not so sure that he would have put himself above the likes of Baugh/Luckman/Graham/Elway/Marino/Montana/Brady/Starr/Bradshaw
He is still in that group. He is not demoted....nor would a win have promoted him beyond them.
Not in my opinion.
As far as I am concerned, this game affects Peyton Manning's status very little.
People say that if he had won that he would be the GOAT because he would have been the only QB to win a SB with 2 different teams.
Well......what it would have done is tie him in that category with Tobin Rote. Rote won titles with 2 teams (Lions/Chargers)...and I don't see too many of you touting Tobin Rote as the GOAT.
Hell....Kurt Warner came a lot closer....within seconds. No one thinks of him as the GOAT.
Peyton will NOT slip from being a Top Ten QB.....maybe even Top 5. Even if he had won I am not so sure that he would have put himself above the likes of Baugh/Luckman/Graham/Elway/Marino/Montana/Brady/Starr/Bradshaw
He is still in that group. He is not demoted....nor would a win have promoted him beyond them.
Not in my opinion.
I couldn't agree more
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Way too much is placed on winning a championship, and Manning has done that.
If this was true, then Andy North would be considered with the greats of golf. He won 3 tournaments in his career. Two just happened to be US Opens.
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Way too much is placed on winning a championship, and Manning has done that.
If this was true, then Andy North would be considered with the greats of golf. He won 3 tournaments in his career. Two just happened to be US Opens.
Way too much is placed on winning a championship, and Manning has done that.
If this was true, then Andy North would be considered with the greats of golf. He won 3 tournaments in his career. Two just happened to be US Opens.
My Father-in-Law was Andy North's high school golf coach. Its true.
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Way too much is placed on winning a championship, and Manning has done that.
If this was true, then Andy North would be considered with the greats of golf. He won 3 tournaments in his career. Two just happened to be US Opens.
My Father-in-Law was Andy North's high school golf coach. Its true.
My Father-in-Law was Andy North's high school golf coach. Its true.
Cool.....kind of strange how my comment and your family connection crossed paths in a Manning thread.
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