Lombardi out?
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Was not to happy with the hire to begin with as much rocky road in this guys past. And very little positives. I don't think he has much value left at this point and better hope he still with the stoogess going forward because I find it hard to beliebe people want this guy around a respectable organization.
The sad truth about Lombardi is he was here a tick longer than chud. From a very formidable and credible fan his lists of bad decisions and fuckups heavily outweighed chud's, yet chud was the one to get the shaft.
Very shotty Free Agency with the bess saga, bryants health, and over spending for Krueger while very little attempt at Avril was at least reported.
His first Draft was not what he and the other stooges had promised. Honestly Mingo coulda been picked by a Retarded monkey and might have been.
Where there is smoke there usually is fire. And with this guys glamorous resume things probably are how they look. If he wants a qb at 4 I'd immediately escort him off the property. The way he's been blowin Hoyer dick since his days coming outta college and the process it took to get him to Cleveland, to gettin him to start for this franchise. To suddenly covet another qb at this point is not ideal.
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Was not to happy with the hire to begin with as much rocky road in this guys past. And very little positives. I don't think he has much value left at this point and better hope he still with the stoogess going forward because I find it hard to beliebe people want this guy around a respectable organization.
The sad truth about Lombardi is he was here a tick longer than chud. From a very formidable and credible fan his lists of bad decisions and fuckups heavily outweighed chud's, yet chud was the one to get the shaft.
Very shotty Free Agency with the bess saga, bryants health, and over spending for Krueger while very little attempt at Avril was at least reported.
His first Draft was not what he and the other stooges had promised. Honestly Mingo coulda been picked by a Retarded monkey and might have been.
Where there is smoke there usually is fire. And with this guys glamorous resume things probably are how they look. If he wants a qb at 4 I'd immediately escort him off the property. The way he's been blowin Hoyer dick since his days coming outta college and the process it took to get him to Cleveland, to gettin him to start for this franchise. To suddenly covet another qb at this point is not ideal.
Was not to happy with the hire to begin with as much rocky road in this guys past. And very little positives. I don't think he has much value left at this point and better hope he still with the stoogess going forward because I find it hard to beliebe people want this guy around a respectable organization.
The sad truth about Lombardi is he was here a tick longer than chud. From a very formidable and credible fan his lists of bad decisions and fuckups heavily outweighed chud's, yet chud was the one to get the shaft.
Very shotty Free Agency with the bess saga, bryants health, and over spending for Krueger while very little attempt at Avril was at least reported.
His first Draft was not what he and the other stooges had promised. Honestly Mingo coulda been picked by a Retarded monkey and might have been.Where there is smoke there usually is fire. And with this guys glamorous resume things probably are how they look. If he wants a qb at 4 I'd immediately escort him off the property. The way he's been blowin Hoyer dick since his days coming outta college and the process it took to get him to Cleveland, to gettin him to start for this franchise. To suddenly covet another qb at this point is not ideal.
All valid points and. Let's not forget he's a negative distraction to the team in lieu of current events that has transpired since he was brought on board. He's mysteriously absent from any pressers or team scouting excursions wich should and could raise concerns. The Media does not like him. The Fans detest him. His track record is shoddy at best. Hes a terrible evaluator of talent. And weather or not you like or dont like Chud. He did the Browns coaching staff a disservice,constantly playing with the roster during the season , wich maade things difficult as if they werent enough already..
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I don't hope anybody loses a job. I think Lombardi has value.
That said, I think Farmer is better, and him staying tells me he has been told some things quietly.
My feeling is Lombo is going to be re-assigned as Haslams front man....whatever you want to call that....again, I think he has value.....maybe over special projects.....but Farmer is going to rise to GM. Lombo is going to scout FA players....I think he is good at that. He brought in some good players this last year even if we didn't play them.
I don't think Lombardi's voice is going to be eliminated because it shouldn't, but right now the PR people have a louder voice than usual.
Farmer will end up GM and Lombo will end up Sr. advisor to the owner.
I don't hope anybody loses a job. I think Lombardi has value.
Yup, I had smoke coming out of my ears when they fired Chud- OTOH, I'll gladly help pay for Lombardi's ticket out of town.
That said, I think Farmer is better, and him staying tells me he has been told some things quietly.
Farmer's big toe contains more football knowledge than Lombardi's entire body.
My feeling is Lombo is going to be re-assigned as Haslams front man....whatever you want to call that....again, I think he has value.....maybe over special projects.....but Farmer is going to rise to GM. Lombo is going to scout FA players....I think he is good at that. He brought in some good players this last year even if we didn't play them.
I don't think Lombardi's voice is going to be eliminated because it shouldn't, but right now the PR people have a louder voice than usual.
Farmer will end up GM and Lombo will end up Sr. advisor to the owner.
I hope if he stays his duties will be limited to soliciting signage for the stadium.
All valid points and. Let's not forget he's a negative distraction to the team in lieu of current events that has transpired since he was brought on board. He's mysteriously absent from any pressers or team scouting excursions wich should and could raise concerns. The Media does not like him. The Fans detest him. His track record is shoddy at best. Hes a terrible evaluator of talent. And weather or not you like or dont like Chud. He did the Browns coaching staff a disservice,constantly playing with the roster during the season , which made things difficult as if they weren't enough already..
The only reason they would keep Major Stooge #2 around is Major Stooge #1 (Banner) essentially said "well, I know you guys are going to hate him, but I'm hiring him anyway." So if it's all about performance instead of continuity- bye bye Mike. And good riddance. Only in the Bizarro World that is Cleveland football would you promote a guy for doing a crappy job. FWIW, Lobotomy probably does very little of the actual scouting- it's the grunts on the ground that have already done that. Now comes the critical part, the private workouts and interviews- and stay away from those Lobotomy- far, far away.
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I don't hope anybody loses a job. I think Lombardi has value.
That said, I think Farmer is better, and him staying tells me he has been told some things quietly.
My feeling is Lombo is going to be re-assigned as Haslams front man....whatever you want to call that....again, I think he has value.....maybe over special projects.....but Farmer is going to rise to GM. Lombo is going to scout FA players....I think he is good at that. He brought in some good players this last year even if we didn't play them.
I don't think Lombardi's voice is going to be eliminated because it shouldn't, but right now the PR people have a louder voice than usual.
Farmer will end up GM and Lombo will end up Sr. advisor to the owner.
I don't hope anybody loses a job. I think Lombardi has value.
That said, I think Farmer is better, and him staying tells me he has been told some things quietly.
My feeling is Lombo is going to be re-assigned as Haslams front man....whatever you want to call that....again, I think he has value.....maybe over special projects.....but Farmer is going to rise to GM. Lombo is going to scout FA players....I think he is good at that. He brought in some good players this last year even if we didn't play them.
I don't think Lombardi's voice is going to be eliminated because it shouldn't, but right now the PR people have a louder voice than usual.
Farmer will end up GM and Lombo will end up Sr. advisor to the owner.
Outside of Hoyer..please tell Me what good players he brought in...Kruger? stinkola. Groves? stinkola Bess? he was cut..c'mon...quit defending this POS Peen..I know your not that dumb old man.
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I don't think Kruger sucks, so we just disagree there. Bess, we got hoodwinked by Miami. They clearly weren't dealing in good faith on that deal. I also think Lombardi did a good job of bringing in talent once we traded Richardson. Baker shows more than promise and Rainey was a great pick-up. Too bad Chud didn't play him the way the Bucs did after we let him go to make room for someone else....probably Baker.
I don't like the guy but some posters around her can't think clearly when discussing Lombardi.
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I don't hope anybody loses a job. I think Lombardi has value.
That said, I think Farmer is better, and him staying tells me he has been told some things quietly.
My feeling is Lombo is going to be re-assigned as Haslams front man....whatever you want to call that....again, I think he has value.....maybe over special projects.....but Farmer is going to rise to GM. Lombo is going to scout FA players....I think he is good at that. He brought in some good players this last year even if we didn't play them.
I don't think Lombardi's voice is going to be eliminated because it shouldn't, but right now the PR people have a louder voice than usual.
Farmer will end up GM and Lombo will end up Sr. advisor to the owner.
Outside of Hoyer..please tell Me what good players he brought in...Kruger? stinkola. Groves? stinkola Bess? he was cut..c'mon...quit defending this POS Peen..I know your not that dumb old man.
Outside of Hoyer..please tell Me what good players he brought in...Kruger? stinkola. Groves? stinkola Bess? he was cut..c'mon...quit defending this POS Peen..I know your not that dumb old man.
It's one thing to be wrong about the potential of a player; it's another thing to be miss a player's "issues".
Bess just may have been the straw that broke this particular camel's back. Failure to do due diligence on him was the costly kind of failure that a business man could not tolerate.
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I think that's a fair statement Peen.
I don't know exactly what would make someone think that Ray Farmer is a genius and Mike Lombardi is an idiot. Seems to me a lot of the anti Lombardi sentiment goes back to some Browns fans having a grudge against Bill Belichick.
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Ray Farmer's reputation comes from the time he spent at KC, helping to rebuild that roster with scott pioli. How much of it he was responsible for we obviously don't know, but it's still more than mike lombardi has done in the last 5 years.
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I don't hope anybody loses a job. I think Lombardi has value.
That said, I think Farmer is better, and him staying tells me he has been told some things quietly.
My feeling is Lombo is going to be re-assigned as Haslams front man....whatever you want to call that....again, I think he has value.....maybe over special projects.....but Farmer is going to rise to GM. Lombo is going to scout FA players....I think he is good at that. He brought in some good players this last year even if we didn't play them.
I don't think Lombardi's voice is going to be eliminated because it shouldn't, but right now the PR people have a louder voice than usual.
Farmer will end up GM and Lombo will end up Sr. advisor to the owner.
I don't hope anybody loses a job. I think Lombardi has value.
That said, I think Farmer is better, and him staying tells me he has been told some things quietly.
My feeling is Lombo is going to be re-assigned as Haslams front man....whatever you want to call that....again, I think he has value.....maybe over special projects.....but Farmer is going to rise to GM. Lombo is going to scout FA players....I think he is good at that. He brought in some good players this last year even if we didn't play them.
I don't think Lombardi's voice is going to be eliminated because it shouldn't, but right now the PR people have a louder voice than usual.
Farmer will end up GM and Lombo will end up Sr. advisor to the owner.
Yes, let him be a "consultant" . He can e-mail his opinions about players in from wherever he parks his carcass.
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I think that's a fair statement Peen.
I don't know exactly what would make someone think that Ray Farmer is a genius and Mike Lombardi is an idiot. Seems to me a lot of the anti Lombardi sentiment goes back to some Browns fans having a grudge against Bill Belichick.
WSS
I think that's a fair statement Peen.
I don't know exactly what would make someone think that Ray Farmer is a genius and Mike Lombardi is an idiot. Seems to me a lot of the anti Lombardi sentiment goes back to some Browns fans having a grudge against Bill Belichick.
WSS
It goes back to him having a very poor record for evaluating talent....be it under Belichick, with other teams, and here with this gig.
And the fact that he is aloof and never seen makes people think that he believes he is above being questioned.
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I think that's a fair statement Peen.
I don't know exactly what would make someone think that Ray Farmer is a genius and Mike Lombardi is an idiot. Seems to me a lot of the anti Lombardi sentiment goes back to some Browns fans having a grudge against Bill Belichick.
WSS
I think that's a fair statement Peen.
I don't know exactly what would make someone think that Ray Farmer is a genius and Mike Lombardi is an idiot. Seems to me a lot of the anti Lombardi sentiment goes back to some Browns fans having a grudge against Bill Belichick.
WSS
I present to you exhibit A, Lombardi's draft record from 1992-2007:
Source: http://www.theclevelandfan.com/cleveland-browns/1-browns-archive/10640-mike-lombardi-for-the-record
The guy picked a FB and a freaking kicker with his first round picks. He picked JeMarcus Russell. Most of the names I recognize on this list are memorable in a bad way, and I only recognize Jeremiah Trotter and Asomugha as good player from this list.
And now Exhibit B: Kansas City Chief's draft picks while Ray Farmer was part of their FO:
2012 1 11 Dontari Poe DT2012 2 44 Jeff Allen OL2012 3 74 Donald Stephenson OL2012 4 107 Devon Wylie WR2012 5 146 DeQuan Menzie DB2012 6 182 Cyrus Gray RB2012 7 218 Jerome Long DT2012 7 238 Junior Hemingway WRYear Rnd Pick Pos2011 1 26 Jonathan Baldwin WR2011 2 55 Rodney Hudson OL2011 3 70 Justin Houston LB2011 3 86 Allen Bailey DL2011 4 118 Jalil Brown DB2011 5 135 Ricky Stanzi QB2011 5 140 Gabe Miller LB2011 6 199 Jerrell Powe DL2011 7 223 Shane Bannon RBYear Rnd Pick Pos2010 1 5 Eric Berry DB2010 2 36 Dexter McCluster WR2010 2 50 Javier Arenas DB2010 3 68 Jon Asamoah G2010 3 93 Tony Moeaki TE2010 5 136 Kendrick Lewis DB2010 5 142 Cameron Sheffield DEYear Rnd Pick Pos2009 1 3 Tyson Jackson DE2009 3 67 Alex Magee DE2009 4 102 Donald Washington DB2009 5 139 Colin Brown T2009 6 175 Quinten Lawrence WR2009 7 212 Javarris Williams RB2009 7 237 Jake O'Connell TE2009 7 256 Ryan Succop KYear Rnd Pick Pos2008 1 5 Glenn Dorsey DT2008 1 15 Branden Albert G2008 2 35 Brandon Flowers DB2008 3 73 Jamaal Charles RB2008 3 76 Brad Cottam TE2008 3 82 DaJuan Morgan DB2008 4 105 Will Franklin WR2008 5 140 Brandon Carr DB2008 6 170 Barry Richardson T2008 6 182 Kevin Robinson WR2008 7 210 Brian Johnston DE2008 7 239 Mike Merritt TEYear Rnd Pick Pos2007 1 23 Dwayne Bowe WR2007 2 54 Turk McBride DT2007 3 82 Tank Tyler DT2007 5 148 Kolby Smith RB2007 5 160 Justin Medlock K2007 6 196 Herbert Taylor T2007 7 231 Michael Allan TEYear Rnd Pick Pos2006 1 20 Tamba Hali DE2006 2 54 Bernard Pollard DB2006 3 85 Brodie Croyle QB2006 5 154 Marcus Maxey DB2006 6 186 Tre Stallings G2006 6 190 Jeff Webb WR2006 7 228 Jarrad Page DBNote all the impact players in bold. I'm sure there are more than I marked, too. I know we can't say he was directly responsible for these picks, but he was part of a team that was, and that's saying a lot more than what Lombardi has to show for himself.
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I think that's a fair statement Peen.
I don't know exactly what would make someone think that Ray Farmer is a genius and Mike Lombardi is an idiot. Seems to me a lot of the anti Lombardi sentiment goes back to some Browns fans having a grudge against Bill Belichick.
WSS
I present to you exhibit A, Lombardi's draft record from 1992-2007:
Source: http://www.theclevelandfan.com/cleveland-browns/1-browns-archive/10640-mike-lombardi-for-the-record
The guy picked a FB and a freaking kicker with his first round picks. He picked JeMarcus Russell. Most of the names I recognize on this list are memorable in a bad way, and I only recognize Jeremiah Trotter and Asomugha as good player from this list.
And now Exhibit B: Kansas City Chief's draft picks while Ray Farmer was part of their FO:
2012 1 11 Dontari Poe DT2012 2 44 Jeff Allen OL2012 3 74 Donald Stephenson OL2012 4 107 Devon Wylie WR2012 5 146 DeQuan Menzie DB2012 6 182 Cyrus Gray RB2012 7 218 Jerome Long DT2012 7 238 Junior Hemingway WRYear Rnd Pick Pos2011 1 26 Jonathan Baldwin WR2011 2 55 Rodney Hudson OL2011 3 70 Justin Houston LB2011 3 86 Allen Bailey DL2011 4 118 Jalil Brown DB2011 5 135 Ricky Stanzi QB2011 5 140 Gabe Miller LB2011 6 199 Jerrell Powe DL2011 7 223 Shane Bannon RBYear Rnd Pick Pos2010 1 5 Eric Berry DB2010 2 36 Dexter McCluster WR2010 2 50 Javier Arenas DB2010 3 68 Jon Asamoah G2010 3 93 Tony Moeaki TE2010 5 136 Kendrick Lewis DB2010 5 142 Cameron Sheffield DEYear Rnd Pick Pos2009 1 3 Tyson Jackson DE2009 3 67 Alex Magee DE2009 4 102 Donald Washington DB2009 5 139 Colin Brown T2009 6 175 Quinten Lawrence WR2009 7 212 Javarris Williams RB2009 7 237 Jake O'Connell TE2009 7 256 Ryan Succop KYear Rnd Pick Pos2008 1 5 Glenn Dorsey DT2008 1 15 Branden Albert G2008 2 35 Brandon Flowers DB2008 3 73 Jamaal Charles RB2008 3 76 Brad Cottam TE2008 3 82 DaJuan Morgan DB2008 4 105 Will Franklin WR2008 5 140 Brandon Carr DB2008 6 170 Barry Richardson T2008 6 182 Kevin Robinson WR2008 7 210 Brian Johnston DE2008 7 239 Mike Merritt TEYear Rnd Pick Pos2007 1 23 Dwayne Bowe WR2007 2 54 Turk McBride DT2007 3 82 Tank Tyler DT2007 5 148 Kolby Smith RB2007 5 160 Justin Medlock K2007 6 196 Herbert Taylor T2007 7 231 Michael Allan TEYear Rnd Pick Pos2006 1 20 Tamba Hali DE2006 2 54 Bernard Pollard DB2006 3 85 Brodie Croyle QB2006 5 154 Marcus Maxey DB2006 6 186 Tre Stallings G2006 6 190 Jeff Webb WR2006 7 228 Jarrad Page DBNote all the impact players in bold. I'm sure there are more than I marked, too. I know we can't say he was directly responsible for these picks, but he was part of a team that was, and that's saying a lot more than what Lombardi has to show for himself.
I present to you exhibit #1, Lombardi's draft record from 1992-2007:
Source: http://www.theclevelandfan.com/cleveland-browns/1-browns-archive/10640-mike-lombardi-for-the-record
The guy picked a FB and a freaking kicker with his first round picks. He picked JeMarcus Russell. Most of the names I recognize on this list are memorable in a bad way, and I only recognize Jeremiah Trotter and Asomugha as good player from this list.
It's a very sad track record.
Some people say Al Davis was the reason he sucked in Oakland, but idk if that can explain why he sucked in Philly and Cleveland.
Zach Miller is pretty good though. At least above average.
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Steve Everitt was not bad.....but, it is a very, very poor track record.
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Let's also not forgot Lombardi criticized the josh gordon pick when he worked for the NFLN.
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The biggest bust on the list was undoubtedly JaMarcus Russell. I remember that time. Pretty well. As I recall just about every football pundit was singing his praises and there was talk amongst quarterback strapped teams of trading up for the big dumb goat. So... Plus I loved Eric Zeier.
WSS
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The biggest bust on the list was undoubtedly JaMarcus Russell. I remember that time. Pretty well. As I recall just about every football pundit was singing his praises and there was talk amongst quarterback strapped teams of trading up for the big dumb goat. So... Plus I loved Eric Zeier.
WSS
The biggest bust on the list was undoubtedly JaMarcus Russell. I remember that time. Pretty well. As I recall just about every football pundit was singing his praises and there was talk amongst quarterback strapped teams of trading up for the big dumb goat. So... Plus I loved Eric Zeier.
WSS
To be fair, I expected jamarcus to have the same type of career cam newton is having.
Jamarcus turned out to be dumber and lazier than Cam though.
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he made 4 good picks for all the years in cleveland:
everitt
footman
langham
alexander
2 huge busts in jamarcus russell and gallery for the raiders. both their number one picks.
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