Lombardi out?

nickers

@cdl15 said:

Was not to happy with the hire to begin with as much rocky road in this guys past. And very little positives. I don't think he has much value left at this point and better hope he still with the stoogess going forward because I find it hard to beliebe people want this guy around a respectable organization.

The sad truth about Lombardi is he was here a tick longer than chud. From a very formidable and credible fan his lists of bad decisions and fuckups heavily outweighed chud's, yet chud was the one to get the shaft.

Very shotty Free Agency with the bess saga, bryants health, and over spending for Krueger while very little attempt at Avril was at least reported.

His first Draft was not what he and the other stooges had promised. Honestly Mingo coulda been picked by a Retarded monkey and might have been.Where there is smoke there usually is fire. And with this guys glamorous resume things probably are how they look. If he wants a qb at 4 I'd immediately escort him off the property. The way he's been blowin Hoyer dick since his days coming outta college and the process it took to get him to Cleveland, to gettin him to start for this franchise. To suddenly covet another qb at this point is not ideal.

All valid points and. Let's not forget he's a negative distraction to the team in lieu of current events that has transpired since he was brought on board. He's mysteriously absent from any pressers or team scouting excursions wich should and could raise concerns. The Media does not like him. The Fans detest him. His track record is shoddy at best. Hes a terrible evaluator of talent. And weather or not you like or dont like Chud. He did the Browns coaching staff a disservice,constantly playing with the roster during the season , wich maade things difficult as if they werent enough already..

hoorta

@ballpeen said:

I don't hope anybody loses a job. I think Lombardi has value.

Yup, I had smoke coming out of my ears when they fired Chud- OTOH, I'll gladly help pay for Lombardi's ticket out of town.

That said, I think Farmer is better, and him staying tells me he has been told some things quietly.

Farmer's big toe contains more football knowledge than Lombardi's entire body.

My feeling is Lombo is going to be re-assigned as Haslams front man....whatever you want to call that....again, I think he has value.....maybe over special projects.....but Farmer is going to rise to GM. Lombo is going to scout FA players....I think he is good at that. He brought in some good players this last year even if we didn't play them.

I don't think Lombardi's voice is going to be eliminated because it shouldn't, but right now the PR people have a louder voice than usual.

Farmer will end up GM and Lombo will end up Sr. advisor to the owner.

I hope if he stays his duties will be limited to soliciting signage for the stadium.

@nickers said:
All valid points and. Let's not forget he's a negative distraction to the team in lieu of current events that has transpired since he was brought on board. He's mysteriously absent from any pressers or team scouting excursions wich should and could raise concerns. The Media does not like him. The Fans detest him. His track record is shoddy at best. Hes a terrible evaluator of talent. And weather or not you like or dont like Chud. He did the Browns coaching staff a disservice,constantly playing with the roster during the season , which made things difficult as if they weren't enough already..

The only reason they would keep Major Stooge #2 around is Major Stooge #1 (Banner) essentially said "well, I know you guys are going to hate him, but I'm hiring him anyway." So if it's all about performance instead of continuity- bye bye Mike. And good riddance. Only in the Bizarro World that is Cleveland football would you promote a guy for doing a crappy job. FWIW, Lobotomy probably does very little of the actual scouting- it's the grunts on the ground that have already done that. Now comes the critical part, the private workouts and interviews- and stay away from those Lobotomy- far, far away.

nickers

@ballpeen said:

I don't hope anybody loses a job. I think Lombardi has value.

That said, I think Farmer is better, and him staying tells me he has been told some things quietly.

My feeling is Lombo is going to be re-assigned as Haslams front man....whatever you want to call that....again, I think he has value.....maybe over special projects.....but Farmer is going to rise to GM. Lombo is going to scout FA players....I think he is good at that. He brought in some good players this last year even if we didn't play them.

I don't think Lombardi's voice is going to be eliminated because it shouldn't, but right now the PR people have a louder voice than usual.

Farmer will end up GM and Lombo will end up Sr. advisor to the owner.

Outside of Hoyer..please tell Me what good players he brought in...Kruger? stinkola. Groves? stinkola Bess? he was cut..c'mon...quit defending this POS Peen..I know your not that dumb old man.

ballpeen

I don't think Kruger sucks, so we just disagree there. Bess, we got hoodwinked by Miami. They clearly weren't dealing in good faith on that deal. I also think Lombardi did a good job of bringing in talent once we traded Richardson. Baker shows more than promise and Rainey was a great pick-up. Too bad Chud didn't play him the way the Bucs did after we let him go to make room for someone else....probably Baker.

I don't like the guy but some posters around her can't think clearly when discussing Lombardi.

Tour2ma

@nickers said:
Outside of Hoyer..please tell Me what good players he brought in...Kruger? stinkola. Groves? stinkola Bess? he was cut..c'mon...quit defending this POS Peen..I know your not that dumb old man.

It's one thing to be wrong about the potential of a player; it's another thing to be miss a player's "issues".

Bess just may have been the straw that broke this particular camel's back. Failure to do due diligence on him was the costly kind of failure that a business man could not tolerate.

Westside Steve

I think that's a fair statement Peen.

I don't know exactly what would make someone think that Ray Farmer is a genius and Mike Lombardi is an idiot. Seems to me a lot of the anti Lombardi sentiment goes back to some Browns fans having a grudge against Bill Belichick.

WSS

gftChris

Ray Farmer's reputation comes from the time he spent at KC, helping to rebuild that roster with scott pioli. How much of it he was responsible for we obviously don't know, but it's still more than mike lombardi has done in the last 5 years.

The Gipper

@ballpeen said:

I don't hope anybody loses a job. I think Lombardi has value.

That said, I think Farmer is better, and him staying tells me he has been told some things quietly.

My feeling is Lombo is going to be re-assigned as Haslams front man....whatever you want to call that....again, I think he has value.....maybe over special projects.....but Farmer is going to rise to GM. Lombo is going to scout FA players....I think he is good at that. He brought in some good players this last year even if we didn't play them.

I don't think Lombardi's voice is going to be eliminated because it shouldn't, but right now the PR people have a louder voice than usual.

Farmer will end up GM and Lombo will end up Sr. advisor to the owner.

Yes, let him be a "consultant" . He can e-mail his opinions about players in from wherever he parks his carcass.

The Gipper

@westside-steve said:

I think that's a fair statement Peen.

I don't know exactly what would make someone think that Ray Farmer is a genius and Mike Lombardi is an idiot. Seems to me a lot of the anti Lombardi sentiment goes back to some Browns fans having a grudge against Bill Belichick.

WSS

It goes back to him having a very poor record for evaluating talent....be it under Belichick, with other teams, and here with this gig.

And the fact that he is aloof and never seen makes people think that he believes he is above being questioned.

D Bone

I keep logging on hoping to see that Lombardi was promoted to Head Cleat Cleaner, although I'm not sure he's ready for that position either.

Osiris

@westside-steve said:

I think that's a fair statement Peen.

I don't know exactly what would make someone think that Ray Farmer is a genius and Mike Lombardi is an idiot. Seems to me a lot of the anti Lombardi sentiment goes back to some Browns fans having a grudge against Bill Belichick.

WSS

I present to you exhibit A, Lombardi's draft record from 1992-2007:

Source: http://www.theclevelandfan.com/cleveland-browns/1-browns-archive/10640-mike-lombardi-for-the-record

The guy picked a FB and a freaking kicker with his first round picks. He picked JeMarcus Russell. Most of the names I recognize on this list are memorable in a bad way, and I only recognize Jeremiah Trotter and Asomugha as good player from this list.

And now Exhibit B: Kansas City Chief's draft picks while Ray Farmer was part of their FO:

2012 1 11 Dontari Poe DT

2012 2 44 Jeff Allen OL

2012 3 74 Donald Stephenson OL

2012 4 107 Devon Wylie WR

2012 5 146 DeQuan Menzie DB

2012 6 182 Cyrus Gray RB

2012 7 218 Jerome Long DT

2012 7 238 Junior Hemingway WR

Year Rnd Pick Pos

2011 1 26 Jonathan Baldwin WR

2011 2 55 Rodney Hudson OL

2011 3 70 Justin Houston LB

2011 3 86 Allen Bailey DL

2011 4 118 Jalil Brown DB

2011 5 135 Ricky Stanzi QB

2011 5 140 Gabe Miller LB

2011 6 199 Jerrell Powe DL

2011 7 223 Shane Bannon RB

Year Rnd Pick Pos

2010 1 5 Eric Berry DB

2010 2 36 Dexter McCluster WR

2010 2 50 Javier Arenas DB

2010 3 68 Jon Asamoah G

2010 3 93 Tony Moeaki TE

2010 5 136 Kendrick Lewis DB

2010 5 142 Cameron Sheffield DE

Year Rnd Pick Pos

2009 1 3 Tyson Jackson DE

2009 3 67 Alex Magee DE

2009 4 102 Donald Washington DB

2009 5 139 Colin Brown T

2009 6 175 Quinten Lawrence WR

2009 7 212 Javarris Williams RB

2009 7 237 Jake O'Connell TE

2009 7 256 Ryan Succop K

Year Rnd Pick Pos

2008 1 5 Glenn Dorsey DT

2008 1 15 Branden Albert G

2008 2 35 Brandon Flowers DB

2008 3 73 Jamaal Charles RB

2008 3 76 Brad Cottam TE

2008 3 82 DaJuan Morgan DB

2008 4 105 Will Franklin WR

2008 5 140 Brandon Carr DB

2008 6 170 Barry Richardson T

2008 6 182 Kevin Robinson WR

2008 7 210 Brian Johnston DE

2008 7 239 Mike Merritt TE

Year Rnd Pick Pos

2007 1 23 Dwayne Bowe WR

2007 2 54 Turk McBride DT

2007 3 82 Tank Tyler DT

2007 5 148 Kolby Smith RB

2007 5 160 Justin Medlock K

2007 6 196 Herbert Taylor T

2007 7 231 Michael Allan TE

Year Rnd Pick Pos

2006 1 20 Tamba Hali DE

2006 2 54 Bernard Pollard DB

2006 3 85 Brodie Croyle QB

2006 5 154 Marcus Maxey DB

2006 6 186 Tre Stallings G

2006 6 190 Jeff Webb WR

2006 7 228 Jarrad Page DB

Note all the impact players in bold. I'm sure there are more than I marked, too. I know we can't say he was directly responsible for these picks, but he was part of a team that was, and that's saying a lot more than what Lombardi has to show for himself.

bbedward

@osiris said:

I present to you exhibit #1, Lombardi's draft record from 1992-2007:

Source: http://www.theclevelandfan.com/cleveland-browns/1-browns-archive/10640-mike-lombardi-for-the-record

The guy picked a FB and a freaking kicker with his first round picks. He picked JeMarcus Russell. Most of the names I recognize on this list are memorable in a bad way, and I only recognize Jeremiah Trotter and Asomugha as good player from this list.

It's a very sad track record.

Some people say Al Davis was the reason he sucked in Oakland, but idk if that can explain why he sucked in Philly and Cleveland.

Zach Miller is pretty good though. At least above average.

The Gipper

Steve Everitt was not bad.....but, it is a very, very poor track record.

Osiris

I edited the post with Lombardi's record to show KC's record while Farmer was there. It looks so much better compared to Lombardi.

bbedward

Let's also not forgot Lombardi criticized the josh gordon pick when he worked for the NFLN.

Westside Steve

The biggest bust on the list was undoubtedly JaMarcus Russell. I remember that time. Pretty well. As I recall just about every football pundit was singing his praises and there was talk amongst quarterback strapped teams of trading up for the big dumb goat. So... Plus I loved Eric Zeier.

WSS

bbedward

@westside-steve said:

The biggest bust on the list was undoubtedly JaMarcus Russell. I remember that time. Pretty well. As I recall just about every football pundit was singing his praises and there was talk amongst quarterback strapped teams of trading up for the big dumb goat. So... Plus I loved Eric Zeier.

WSS

To be fair, I expected jamarcus to have the same type of career cam newton is having.

Jamarcus turned out to be dumber and lazier than Cam though.

cdl15

He had a monstrous draft class in 2000.

miktoxic

he made 4 good picks for all the years in cleveland:

everitt

footman

langham

alexander

2 huge busts in jamarcus russell and gallery for the raiders. both their number one picks.

RoyceRolls

if Lombardi was worthy of a front office position he wouldn't have spent five years without one, that's as far as the argument needs to go.