Sleepers in 2014 NFL Draft

RoyceRolls

@thenew23 said:

Sleeper? Projected outside of top 3 or 4 at their position, and outside of the 1st round (by most), but have the makings of a pro bowler... I've watched a lot of college football this year, so here goes nothing...

I like Abbrederis too, but I also like...

Odell Beckham Jr. - WR - LSU - great hands, and playmaking ability... undervalued in my opinion

Stanley Jean-Baptiste - CB - Nebraska - great size, fits the mold of the bigger corner... had a good Senior Bowl

Marion Grice - RB - AZ St - watched him play twice this year, and I was impressed. Great receiver too

Spencer Long - G - Nebraska - All-Big Ten in 2011, missed almost all of 2013 with a torn ACL.. could be a steal

Shayne Skov - ILB - Stanford - great physical specimin. He fits the bill for any aggressive D with his speed...

nice list, I'm all in on Stanley Jean-Baptiste, bring him to Cleveland.

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@tour2ma said:

Well in that case I withdraw my job offer...

I spotted Abberderis early in the OSU game and pretty much fell in love with him. Then he had a rough patch mid-season and I wondered about him, but he finished strong.

I know you think it's overkill, but I keep seeing a Gordon-Watkins-Abbederis WR Corps in my mind's eye... and I like it!

I really did not consider specialty positions (K, P) at all... so I guess that's a form of weighting.

Good working definition and good list...

To my eye Skov seems to be a step slower than Borland and is a bit lighter to boot. It will be interesting to see them both at the combine.

I don't mind that reasoning. I just think that adding a handful of receivers is useless if there's no one to get them the ball.

MLD Woody

@cdl15 said:
now that I disagree with. If TBITCH was a #3 overall then Hyde is easily a 2nd rounder. Homer pick?? Yea probably but he is exactly what the Browns need to balance Dion Lewis. If the Browns ain't lookin at Hyde they ain't lookin for another rb.

Except Trent wasn't deserving of #3. No HB is in this class. They are way less important now when most teams have a committee. Unless you can find another AP

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@mld-woody said:
Except Trent wasn't deserving of #3. No HB is in this class. They are way less important now when most teams have a committee. Unless you can find another AP

I don't care if you can find another AP, it's still not worth it.

The game has changed for the time being. No runningback is worth that.

hoorta

@cdl15 said:
now that I disagree with. If TBITCH was a #3 overall then Hyde is easily a 2nd rounder. Homer pick?? Yea probably but he is exactly what the Browns need to balance Dion Lewis. If the Browns ain't lookin at Hyde they ain't lookin for another rb.

Sure they will. I'm as big an OSU homer as anyone, but they'd be remiss if they didn't take a long look at Tre Mason.

Tour2ma

@mike-h said:

James White, RB, Wisconsin... Reminds me of Gio Bernard.

Borland, LB, been mentioned

Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice.

Three we agree upon...

The more I look at Gaines, the more I think he might be 2014's steal of steals...

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
I don't mind that reasoning. I just think that adding a handful of receivers is useless if there's no one to get them the ball.

I'm counting on Hoyer to do that and still looking for my mid/ late round 2014 QB.

cdl15

@tour2ma said:

Three we agree upon...

The more I look at Gaines, the more I think he might be 2014's steal of steals...

I'm counting on Hoyer to do that and still looking for my mid/ late round 2014 QB.

so am I. Can't go on without wondering. And if a 4th overall qb is on the team there will never be a fair chance for anyone else. Of course I could always sit on the fence and wait for a winner and say I was on board with that pick all along. Kinda a sissy thing to do.

thenew23

@mike-h said:
Colt McCoy, Brady Quinn, Charlie Frye, etc, etc, etc... All guys who never got fair chances in Cleveland and went on to do nothing elsewhere.

Exactly. This extended time of trying to put crap in the QB spot has to end (not that Hoyer is complete crap, he's just been bounced around by other teams enough for me to have some questions). Can't we at least "try" to add a guy with 1st round talent (and don't give me the Weeden argument, he was considered a 2nd rounder at best and undraftable by some)

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@mike-h said:
I think it's funny no one gave Hoyer a shot last summer--some to even make the roster--when they signed him. Two DECENT starts and people are talking like hes won a super bowl.

Exactly.

cdl15

@mike-h said:
I think it's funny no one gave Hoyer a shot last summer--some to even make the roster--when they signed him. Two DECENT starts and people are talking like hes won a super bowl.

have yet to read those posts. And exactly what's wrong with people admitting to being POSSIBLY wrong about him. I was wrong about him also. I certainly wanted to see more of him in2013. Now I would like to see more of him with more talent around him, a coach that likes him, and a full prrseason in 2014. Problem is if they draft a qb certain douchbags will be like oooo u wanted Hoyer not this guy. Like I've said a lot easier and pathetic to sit on the fence and wait to see who wins first.

bbedward

@mike-h said:
I think it's funny no one gave Hoyer a shot last summer--some to even make the roster--when they signed him. Two DECENT starts and people are talking like hes won a super bowl.

I think the discussion goes more like this: "should we take a flier on a QB with tons of question marks on him with the #4 pick, or should we take a bigger name talent at another position?"

Some are just as skeptical of Hoyer as they are with guys like Bridgewater/Manziel/Bortles. The difference is we're not talking about using the #4 overall pick on Hoyer.

Personally, I think this particular draft has some later round potential at QB. I think there could be a team or two that get a kaepernik/wilson type of guy.

Of course anything could happen. Every top QB could be average at best and there could be no later round guys that pan out to be good starters. I wouldn't hate us taking a QB at 4, I'm just skeptical it'd be the best move.

Personally I wouldn't be surprised if Houston fleeces us for the #1 pick, we take manziel, bridgewater falls to them, bridgewater turns into a 10-time pro-bowler, manziel is out of the league in 3 years, bortles and carr make the pro-bowl multiple times, the other pick houston gets from us turns into a HOF CB, lombardi is fired in november/december 14', Farmer leaves for a GM job elsewhere after lombardi is fired and wins 3 super bowls in 6 years.

Tour2ma

@mike-h said:
I think it's funny no one gave Hoyer a shot last summer--some to even make the roster--when they signed him. Two DECENT starts and people are talking like hes won a super bowl.

Obviously we have severely warped your sense of humor...

@bbedward said:

I think the discussion goes more like this: "should we take a flier on a QB with tons of question marks on him with the #4 pick, or should we take a ("can't miss") talent at another position?"

Everyone is (Some here are) just as skeptical of Hoyer as they are with guys like Bridgewater/Manziel/Bortles. The difference is we're not talking about using the #4 overall pick on Hoyer.

Very succinct post... hope you don't mind that I tweeked it a tad.

I, for one, am less skeptical of Hoyer than the Draft's "Big 4" because I have seen him at the NFL level

Tour2ma

I take Watkins... He is "Can't miss" IMO...

I do not have to prove anything about my or anyone else's view of Hoyer when he was signed. Your request is as ridiculous as me asking you to produce every post saying Hoyer was a waste of a roster spot to support your "no one" hyperbole.

I had no opinion of Hoyer when Lombardi signed him. But by the time Wheezy first went down and it was time for a backup to step in, I was all for Hoyer being the one vs. Campbell... based upon what I had seen of Hoyer in pre-season vs. what I knew of Campbell's past performance at Oakland and Washington.

cdl15

@tour2ma said:

I take Watkins... He is "Can't miss" IMO...

I do not have to prove anything about my or anyone else's view of Hoyer when he was signed. Your request is as ridiculous as me asking you to produce every post saying Hoyer was a waste of a roster spot to support your "no one" hyperbole.

I had no opinion of Hoyer when Lombardi signed him. But by the time Wheezy first went down and it was time for a backup to step in, I was all for Hoyer being the one vs. Campbell... based upon what I had seen of Hoyer in pre-season vs. what I knew of Campbell's past performance at Oakland and Washington.

here here. Watkins is a slam dunk. Get the qb later. Chances are wed end up with the 2nd or 3rd qb off the board. Get Watkins ur gettin the best at his position maybe the whole draft.

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@tour2ma said:

I take Watkins... He is "Can't miss" IMO...

I do not have to prove anything about my or anyone else's view of Hoyer when he was signed. Your request is as ridiculous as me asking you to produce every post saying Hoyer was a waste of a roster spot to support your "no one" hyperbole.

I had no opinion of Hoyer when Lombardi signed him. But by the time Wheezy first went down and it was time for a backup to step in, I was all for Hoyer being the one vs. Campbell... based upon what I had seen of Hoyer in pre-season vs. what I knew of Campbell's past performance at Oakland and Washington.

I don't feel it's hyperbole. I've been combing the forum for posts dated before the season and haven't found a single one that claims Hoyer has the potential to be a starter.

cdl15

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
I don't feel it's hyperbole. I've been combing the forum for posts dated before the season and haven't found a single one that claims Hoyer has the potential to be a starter.

So...doubt Ull ever find one of DA before 07 and he was a probowler that year. Great analysis.

Tour2ma

@mike-h said:
How many teams have two No. 1 WRs? Then, tell me where those teams finished this season.

How 'bout the 2007 Pats with Moss and Welker... As I recall they went 16-0...

Can't wait for your to tell me Welker was not a #1...

Tour2ma

@mike-h said:
My whole point about what I wrote, is that no one valued Hoyer, at all, prove me wrong. He was "Lombardis boy" and on the outside looking in on the QB job from day 1.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
I don't feel it's hyperbole. I've been combing the forum for posts dated before the season and haven't found a single one that claims Hoyer has the potential to be a starter.

TC, his use of "no one" is the very defintion of hyperbole...

hy·per·bo·le (hī-pûr′bə-lē)

n.

A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton.

Tour2ma

@mike-h said:
I like him, like his story, but I want a super bowl and I'm not sure he's good enough for the job. You don't know if Manziel, Bridgewater or Bortles are yet. You use that No. 1 pick on a QB when ypu have "We will have a CHAMPIONSHIP LEVEL QB" written on your draft office wall.

Yes, you do... IF you believe that one of those three QBs (or Carr or a true darkhorse) in the draft is a Championship level QB.

It seems you do..

I do not...

So rather than ridicule my choice of Watkins over your annointed trinity (which will only serve to piss me off) why not spend your time trying to convince me that one (or more) of those QBs is the guy...

... and in return I will try to convince you he is/ they are not...

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@cdl15 said:
So...doubt Ull ever find one of DA before 07 and he was a probowler that year. Great analysis.

And what's he done since?

That's a perfect comparison, thank you.

God damn, it would be sad if it wasn't so funny.