For My Fellow QB Naysayers... Gun to Head, Which One Do You Take?
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Manziel...yea he is boom or bust I admit it.
But when the team has lost so much for so long it cant be a bad thing to bring attention to the team. butts in seats ..yea I said it
and get the browns on national TV. Everybody is gonna wanna watch him to see if he can pull the same magic he did in college.
Lets face it America is not waiting on the edge of their seats to see if Blake Bortles is gonna be a good QB.
But having a full stadium with a loud crowd cant hurt. Being on TV cant hurt. Having a buzz and excitement about the team and the future cant hurt.
Honestly the three QBs are close.But Manziel brings these other things to the table as well.And if he has a great year...then players will wanna play with him....
Yea I guess it all works in my dreams.. and butts in seats and being on TV doesn't equate to wins , But skills being equal among the three,this is something the other two do not have.
Manziel...yea he is boom or bust I admit it.
But when the team has lost so much for so long it cant be a bad thing to bring attention to the team. butts in seats ..yea I said it
and get the browns on national TV. Everybody is gonna wanna watch him to see if he can pull the same magic he did in college.
Lets face it America is not waiting on the edge of their seats to see if Blake Bortles is gonna be a good QB.
But having a full stadium with a loud crowd cant hurt. Being on TV cant hurt. Having a buzz and excitement about the team and the future cant hurt.
Honestly the three QBs are close.But Manziel brings these other things to the table as well.And if he has a great year...then players will wanna play with him....
Yea I guess it all works in my dreams.. and butts in seats and being on TV doesn't equate to wins , But skills being equal among the three,this is something the other two do not have.
That is absolutely the wrong reason to draft a quarterback. See below.
That hype will only last so long then it will be down to whether not he delivered on it. If he does then you are right. If he doesn't the only attention we get is talking about another badly broken pick. As far as butts in the seats amazingly enough I think we could start a dog at QB and the stadium would fill.
RGIII was all over ESPN and the commercial world pimping Subway. Now that the Redskins had a down year, not so much. Don't draft hype- draft a quarterback that can win games.
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I never once said Manziel was a "generational" player. I like Manziel the best of the three, but right now im not opposed to any of em. Lets say we draft Watkins. We get him for 4 years. If he lives up to the billing of the number 4 pick, how do we resign him? We cant pay him and Gordon number 1 money, which means we let one walk after their rookie deal, and were right back to needing a number 2. Id rather go OLine or LB if we decide to continue ignoring the QB position.all hypothetical and not one fact bro.if manzieel was so good and a generational player then Bortles and Bridgewater skulls not be in the conversation for best qb in draft. Watkins looks like the next Fitzgerald doesn't that excite anyone??
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Id rather go OLine or LB if we decide to continue ignoring the QB position.
It's as if we focus extra hard on QBs, then it will make them extra better...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I would hate to get to where I didn't wanna draft a great player because Im afraid I cant resign him in 4 years.I would never run a team like that
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Id rather go OLine or LB if we decide to continue ignoring the QB position.
It's as if we focus extra hard on QBs, then it will make them extra better...
Almost every scout in America has 3 QBs in their top 20 players overall. How much better do they have to get?It's as if we focus extra hard on QBs, then it will make them extra better...
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Almost every scout in America has 3 QBs in their top 20 players overall. How much better do they have to get?
First, since we are at 4 and 26, what does top 20 have to do with it? Most of "almost every scout" have only one QB in the top 4 players.
Then there's that other little problem... they can't seem to agree on which one is in the top 4. So it's not as much a matter of how much better "they have to get"; it's more a case of who is he?
Apparently the scouts are just like us...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I never once said Manziel was a "generational" player. I like Manziel the best of the three, but right now im not opposed to any of em. Lets say we draft Watkins. We get him for 4 years. If he lives up to the billing of the number 4 pick, how do we resign him? We cant pay him and Gordon number 1 money, which means we let one walk after their rookie deal, and were right back to needing a number 2. Id rather go OLine or LB if we decide to continue ignoring the QB position.all hypothetical and not one fact bro.if manzieel was so good and a generational player then Bortles and Bridgewater skulls not be in the conversation for best qb in draft. Watkins looks like the next Fitzgerald doesn't that excite anyone??
then y draft one of these Qbs at all. Sorry bub u draft a guy at 4 he better be the real deal and seeing how 100% of almost every single analysist can not agree on which one is better than the other really makes me gun shy of all of them. Hell the way I see it Carr is 1 combine, a couple of interviews, and a solid team workout from being projected better than all of them. Are u gonna jump on poetics bandwagon if this happens??? Watkins will still be projected as best wr in draft. And No Gordon and this years draft picks free agency period will be no where near each other. Isn't Gordon a free agent after 2014 anyways? Signing free agents aint as hard as it used to be anyways. Again this franchise should not be taken the 2nd or 3rd qb off the board at #4. That's the Retarded shit we did last year.XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I never once said Manziel was a "generational" player. I like Manziel the best of the three, but right now im not opposed to any of em. Lets say we draft Watkins. We get him for 4 years. If he lives up to the billing of the number 4 pick, how do we resign him? We cant pay him and Gordon number 1 money, which means we let one walk after their rookie deal, and were right back to needing a number 2. Id rather go OLine or LB if we decide to continue ignoring the QB position.
"We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever. -
dallas should never have gotten Alvin harper. Cardnals should never have fooled with Bolden.I would love to have the problem of two star WR.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Almost every scout in America has 3 QBs in their top 20 players overall. How much better do they have to get?
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My self I have had been thinking Bortles because he has the size and tools to be a very good qb and I realized that the reasoning on that had been he is simular to that guy in Pa. that plays qb for them. But if Bridgewater is around I would have to take him. So I guess Bortles is the one to take only because I believe that Hoyer is going to bounce back & last was no flute.With the right coach/teacher he will be very good.The coach is not going to start anyone else but Hoyer if he is healthy. I think the FO is under the impression/hope that Hoyer is their guy at qb for at least 2 years(training time for who ever they pick.
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My self I have had been thinking Bortles because he has the size and tools to be a very good qb and I realized that the reasoning on that had been he is simular to that guy in Pa. that plays qb for them. But if Bridgewater is around I would have to take him. So I guess Bortles is the one to take only because I believe that Hoyer is going to bounce back & last was no flute.With the right coach/teacher he will be very good.The coach is not going to start anyone else but Hoyer if he is healthy. I think the FO is under the impression/hope that Hoyer is their guy at qb for at least 2 years(training time for who ever they pick.
I believe that Hoyer is going to bounce back & last was no flute.
A piccolo perhaps?
Welcome aboard...
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My self I have had been thinking Bortles because he has the size and tools to be a very good qb and I realized that the reasoning on that had been he is simular to that guy in Pa. that plays qb for them. But if Bridgewater is around I would have to take him. So I guess Bortles is the one to take only because I believe that Hoyer is going to bounce back & last was no flute.With the right coach/teacher he will be very good.The coach is not going to start anyone else but Hoyer if he is healthy. I think the FO is under the impression/hope that Hoyer is their guy at qb for at least 2 years(training time for who ever they pick.
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ElderDawg, on 09 Feb 2014 - 01:10 AM, said:
I believe that Hoyer is going to bounce back & last was no flute.
A piccolo perhaps?
Welcome aboard...*******************************************
More like, Hoyer is a lot like Doug Flute...
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@mike-h said:
There's a really good article on SI.com by Bedard that delves into his knowledge of the game and work habits, everyone should check it.
Done... and it was a good read, but two things:
1. Why did Bedard hedge?
"No oneโs saying Bridgewater is destined for greatness..." just seems like an odd insert near the start of an article that then proceeds to build a case for his greatness.
2. If what he wrote is true, then there's no way Houston passes on him.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Almost every scout in America has 3 QBs in their top 20 players overall. How much better do they have to get?
boy scouts? what do they get a merit badge for QB drafting if they are correct? and then get demoted to a webelo if they get it wrong?
c'mon man!
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@mike-h said:
โTeddyโs been taught from day one that I want him to be the coordinator at the line of scrimmage because he can be far better than me.โ โShawn Watson
HERE WE GO AGAIN.
HAVEN'T YOU LEARNED ANYTHING YET ABOUT THIS BOARD YOU FRIGGIN 3X MOLECULAR BRAIN SURGEON SCHOLAR?
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then y draft one of these Qbs at all. Sorry bub u draft a guy at 4 he better be the real deal and seeing how 100% of almost every single analysist can not agree on which one is better than the other really makes me gun shy of all of them. Hell the way I see it Carr is 1 combine, a couple of interviews, and a solid team workout from being projected better than all of them. Are u gonna jump on poetics bandwagon if this happens??? Watkins will still be projected as best wr in draft. And No Gordon and this years draft picks free agency period will be no where near each other. Isn't Gordon a free agent after 2014 anyways? Signing free agents aint as hard as it used to be anyways. Again this franchise should not be taken the 2nd or 3rd qb off the board at #4. That's the Retarded shit we did last year.XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I never once said Manziel was a "generational" player. I like Manziel the best of the three, but right now im not opposed to any of em. Lets say we draft Watkins. We get him for 4 years. If he lives up to the billing of the number 4 pick, how do we resign him? We cant pay him and Gordon number 1 money, which means we let one walk after their rookie deal, and were right back to needing a number 2. Id rather go OLine or LB if we decide to continue ignoring the QB position.
First off, most scouts have 3 QBs in the top 15 players overall. The fact that they cant decide which one they like the best shouldnt scare you away from all of em. Gordon is a free agent after 2015 right? Carr is actually my least favorite of the 4 but if we drafted him Id support him. We took the 4th QB off the board in 2012 at what 24? Not exactly what im proposing at 4. Most scouts also had Weeden in the second round, not top 15.then y draft one of these Qbs at all. Sorry bub u draft a guy at 4 he better be the real deal and seeing how 100% of almost every single analysist can not agree on which one is better than the other really makes me gun shy of all of them. Hell the way I see it Carr is 1 combine, a couple of interviews, and a solid team workout from being projected better than all of them. Are u gonna jump on poetics bandwagon if this happens??? Watkins will still be projected as best wr in draft. And No Gordon and this years draft picks free agency period will be no where near each other. Isn't Gordon a free agent after 2014 anyways? Signing free agents aint as hard as it used to be anyways. Again this franchise should not be taken the 2nd or 3rd qb off the board at #4. That's the Retarded shit we did last year.
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@mike-h said:
I think quotes from coaches are more relevant than your evaluation of the quality of QBs in this draft
agree 100%. just like i'd take their evaluation over yours any day of the week.
just opinions mike. not like i'm throwing darts at you.
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First off, most scouts have 3 QBs in the top 15 players overall. The fact that they cant decide which one they like the best shouldnt scare you away from all of em. Gordon is a free agent after 2015 right? Carr is actually my least favorite of the 4 but if we drafted him Id support him. We took the 4th QB off the board in 2012 at what 24? Not exactly what im proposing at 4. Most scouts also had Weeden in the second round, not top 15.then y draft one of these Qbs at all. Sorry bub u draft a guy at 4 he better be the real deal and seeing how 100% of almost every single analysist can not agree on which one is better than the other really makes me gun shy of all of them. Hell the way I see it Carr is 1 combine, a couple of interviews, and a solid team workout from being projected better than all of them. Are u gonna jump on poetics bandwagon if this happens??? Watkins will still be projected as best wr in draft. And No Gordon and this years draft picks free agency period will be no where near each other. Isn't Gordon a free agent after 2014 anyways? Signing free agents aint as hard as it used to be anyways. Again this franchise should not be taken the 2nd or 3rd qb off the board at #4. That's the Retarded shit we did last year.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
First off, most scouts have 3 QBs in the top 15 players overall. The fact that they cant decide which one they like the best shouldnt scare you away from all of em. Gordon is a free agent after 2015 right? Carr is actually my least favorite of the 4 but if we drafted him Id support him. We took the 4th QB off the board in 2012 at what 24? Not exactly what im proposing at 4. Most scouts also had Weeden in the second round, not top 15.
i haven't liked half the picks the browns have made since '99. the last 4 years have been atrocious, except for a heckert pick here or there. weeden and mccoy made me physically ill. but i support anyone that wears the brown orange and white.
hey let's pick up sams who just came out of the closet. at least we know he likes brown.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Almost every scout in America has 3 QBs in their top 20 players overall. How much better do they have to get?
First, since we are at 4 and 26, what does top 20 have to do with it? Most of "almost every scout" have only one QB in the top 4 players.
Then there's that other little problem... they can't seem to agree on which one is in the top 4. So it's not as much a matter of how much better "they have to get"; it's more a case of who is he?
Apparently the scouts are just like us...
I dont consider it a bad thing to have competition to be the top QB in the draft. Its close. Everyone has their own opinion. Hell if we go through this process and wait till the second round to snag Garappolo, I wouldnt mind, if they came out and said he was their #1 QB on their board. We have the ammo to get their #1 guy, and thats all I want. Wouldnt surprise me in the least if our front office screws the pick up, but at least theyre doing everything they can to try and get a QB in here. And Tour honestly, I could care less exactly where they have these guys ranked. I was using those rankings as a reference point. The only thing that matters is, who is the favorite QB? Where is he projected, and what's the latest pick we can use on him. In most scenarios, if the favorite is one of the top 3, none will be available at 26. Now, do we have to use 4 on him? Or, can we possibly move up from 26 to the teens and snag him? All questions that im glad I dont have to figure out.First, since we are at 4 and 26, what does top 20 have to do with it? Most of "almost every scout" have only one QB in the top 4 players.
Then there's that other little problem... they can't seem to agree on which one is in the top 4. So it's not as much a matter of how much better "they have to get"; it's more a case of who is he?
Apparently the scouts are just like us...
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Xx that is a very good reason for concern. Scouts prognosticators pundits sports aficionados are all divided on which of these guys is the real deal. Seems like we'd have some sort of consensus...
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