Rams fan talking draft
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If you see talent in the draft that's better than what you have on the roster- you keep the picks. IMHO, the only way the Browns are trading up is if they're rock solid certain the qb they're trading up for is a bona fide franchise guy. Personally, I hope the Browns keep the at least the first four picks. You want to unload picks, do what the FO did last year- trade a third into a future second, and fourth into a third...
It's extremely unlikely that qbs will go 1-2-3 in this draft, no Luck or RGIII by all accounts, So if you have them rated evenly, you stand pat @ #4. The #1 crime in drafting is to fall too much in love with a particular player. I give you Mad Dog in a Meat Market Mega-Bust Mike Junkin as exhibit A. Rule #2 is don't panic if the guy you want gets taken off the board before you draft- say hi to Clifford Charlton. LOL, as Rams fan pointed out- but didn't elaborate on, if Atlanta trades up to #2, it sure won't be to take a qb- they're taking Clowney.
So what if Houston's O'Brien falls in love with Bortles and they take him at #1, for example.
And the Browns believe Bridgewater is the franchise guy they want.
Do they trade up with the Rams or do they risk Minny or Oak trading up with the Rams to take him or Jax taking him at #3?
That's the big question.
So what if Houston's O'Brien falls in love with Bortles and they take him at #1, for example.
And the Browns believe Bridgewater is the franchise guy they want.
Do they trade up with the Rams or do they risk Minny or Oak trading up with the Rams to take him or Jax taking him at #3?
That's the big question.
Exactly what I said.... If Bridgewater is there @ #2, and they're certain, they may well make the trade. Ditto Manziel, though personally I'm the #1 member of the anti- Johnny Football camp. & personally, I don't offer anything more than our second round pick, or future pick(s) and not a first either.BTW, the Jags are in even better position, and will need to offer less, moving up just one spot to take a qb. That's contingent on how greedy the Rams want to get dropping down farther to get more picks- but risk out on a top player. IMO you have the three qbs, Clowney and Watkins. None are likely to be there if you trade with Atlanta.
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So what if Houston's O'Brien falls in love with Bortles and they take him at #1, for example.
And the Browns believe Bridgewater is the franchise guy they want.
Do they trade up with the Rams or do they risk Minny or Oak trading up with the Rams to take him or Jax taking him at #3?
That's the big question.
Exactly what I said.... If Bridgewater is there @ #2, and they're certain, they may well make the trade. Ditto Manziel, though personally I'm the #1 member of the anti- Johnny Football camp. & personally, I don't offer anything more than our second round pick, or future pick(s) and not a first either.BTW, the Jags are in even better position, and will need to offer less, moving up just one spot to take a qb. That's contingent on how greedy the Rams want to get dropping down farther to get more picks- but risk out on a top player. IMO you have the three qbs, Clowney and Watkins. None are likely to be there if you trade with Atlanta.
Exactly what I said.... If Bridgewater is there @ #2, and they're certain, they may well make the trade. Ditto Manziel, though personally I'm the #1 member of the anti- Johnny Football camp. & personally, I don't offer anything more than our second round pick, or future pick(s) and not a first either.BTW, the Jags are in even better position, and will need to offer less, moving up just one spot to take a qb. That's contingent on how greedy the Rams want to get dropping down farther to get more picks- but risk out on a top player. IMO you have the three qbs, Clowney and Watkins. None are likely to be there if you trade with Atlanta.
True about the Jags. And it could get interesting if Jax, the Browns, and another team all want the same guy.
Thing is, the Rams aren't interested in a QB, and DE is the strongest position on their team with Quinn and Long, so Clowney is a luxury pick for them. They may want Watkins or they may want one of the OTs. The OTs are of importance to the Rams now that Jake Long is coming off knee surgery and looks very injury prone now. Plus, they probably are gonna lose Rodger Saffold in FA. So suddenly, OT is a clear need.
If they want Watkins they can certainly get him at #4 and they can get one of the OTs at the Vikes spot at #8.
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Or, what if the "real evaluators" are right......that these QBs given proper perspective ALL grade out to lower first round picks.....and that taking any of them should actually be considered a reach.
Not sure which scouting service does it, but they give each and every draft prospect a grade that goes like from 0-100.
It is possible that in a totally unprejudiced system that all these QBs could be considered not even in the Top 10 or 15.
To my mind taking any one of them at #4 may be overpaying for them.
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Just heard Peter King say he doesn't see Johnny Football in Houston. Doesn't fit the profile in Houston. Thinks they go with Bortles at #1 or in a trade down.
He stated the obvious, Rams wants to trade down. Didn't name a single player. Just that Snead is spoiled having multiple high picks and wants more.
Said Jax is a great fit for Johnny Football, and that JF won't get past #3.
PK said he knows that the Cleveland scouts really like Manziel, and now that Norv Turner is gone, that fits them going after Manziel.
He said it's early but if it ends up that Houston falls in love with Bortles and takes him at #1, then Rams are in business in a bidding war between Jax and Cleveland for Manziel.
I found it curious that PK didn't mention Teddy at all in the conversation. And I think the Raiders and Minny are in the mix as well.All this means to me is that I'll be shocked if these QBs last very long in this draft. I think these QBs will be rated a lot higher than last years guys, like Manuel and Smith and Nassib. Sure, there is no Luck in this draft but these guys are still fairly high picks.
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To be honest I didn't read every sentence in the thread, but I think the Rams are in an awesome place to get either a high 2nd or (gulp) another first round pick specifically for Johnny Manziel in this draft. Obviously, if the Texans take Manziel this all goes out the window. Assuming he doesn't though, I'd bet my left nut one of the top ten teams who will seriously consider QB (Browns, Jags, Raiders, Vikings) will fall in love with Manziel and trade with the Rams for that pick. He's got that hype just like RG III had and I feel confident his workouts will only further it. Of course that's only speculation, but it seems like a likely collision course. I still can't believe that RGIII trade managed to turn into the 2nd overall pick.
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To be honest I didn't read every sentence in the thread, but I think the Rams are in an awesome place to get either a high 2nd or (gulp) another first round pick specifically for Johnny Manziel in this draft. Obviously, if the Texans take Manziel this all goes out the window. Assuming he doesn't though, I'd bet my left nut one of the top ten teams who will seriously consider QB (Browns, Jags, Raiders, Vikings) will fall in love with Manziel and trade with the Rams for that pick. He's got that hype just like RG III had and I feel confident his workouts will only further it. Of course that's only speculation, but it seems like a likely collision course. I still can't believe that RGIII trade managed to turn into the 2nd overall pick.
To be honest I didn't read every sentence in the thread, but I think the Rams are in an awesome place to get either a high 2nd or (gulp) another first round pick specifically for Johnny Manziel in this draft. Obviously, if the Texans take Manziel this all goes out the window. Assuming he doesn't though, I'd bet my left nut one of the top ten teams who will seriously consider QB (Browns, Jags, Raiders, Vikings) will fall in love with Manziel and trade with the Rams for that pick. He's got that hype just like RG III had and I feel confident his workouts will only further it. Of course that's only speculation, but it seems like a likely collision course. I still can't believe that RGIII trade managed to turn into the 2nd overall pick.
You make perfect sense to me.
Totally agree that Manziel is the key. If he is there at #2, the Rams are in business.
All signs point to Houston not taking him, but will they trade the pick so someone else can? They could trade with Jax, so Jax takes Manziel. But that only works if the Texans aren't in love with a specific QB. As the saying goes if you are in love with a QB you take him when you can.
And you're not the only guy who can't believe how the RG3 trade turned out in terms of the picks. On the Rams message board there were guys who said Snead made a mistake and should not have spread the picks out. Snead said at the time of the deal, that he specifically wanted the a first round pick in 2014 and that's why the Skins deal was more appealing than the Browns offer. Snead certainly got lucky, but luck is a residue of design. The guy knows what he's doing.
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I don't think manziel is nearly as appealing as Bridgewater as far as QBs go. Good game against duke doesn't make him the #1 QB all of a sudden.
Just IMO.
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Heck, the Dolphins are said to be unhappy with Tannehill already.
Based upon his lack of progress, I'd be concerned, too. I know Miami had personnel "issues", but we in Cleveland have learned that there are no excuses.
Brilliant trade...There are many Rams fans who have Fisher on the hot seat. They would dump him if the Rams don't win in his 3rd season.
Getting #2 was a gift from heaven. When they made that RG3 trade, many thought the Rams blew it.
As for Jeff... I love the guy, but understand the impatience. It's not just a lack of progress at St. Louis, it's also his TN resume where while relevant for a period, they only really contended one year.
I think they'll draft him even if they stay 3-4. That dude is more athletically gifted now than either of our OLB'ers. They may start off using him like we use Kruger, with his hands mostly in the dirt. I see him becoming a consummate OLB though the likes of Aldon Smith but with a nastier rush.
Could be, but standing up even a great athlete is a far from certain transition. Just ask Mario Williams... which means I guess you could ask Pettine.
Could be, but standing up even a great athlete is a far from certain transition. Just ask Mario Williams... which means I guess you could ask Pettine.
Like I said I think we would use him like we use Kruger, who has his hand in the dirt most of the season. He'd be starting by year 2 or 3 which would be near or at the end of Krugers contract. Bye bye unless something magical happens and he gives us a 15 sack season next year.
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To be honest I didn't read every sentence in the thread, but I think the Rams are in an awesome place to get either a high 2nd or (gulp) another first round pick specifically for Johnny Manziel in this draft. Obviously, if the Texans take Manziel this all goes out the window. Assuming he doesn't though, I'd bet my left nut one of the top ten teams who will seriously consider QB (Browns, Jags, Raiders, Vikings) will fall in love with Manziel and trade with the Rams for that pick. He's got that hype just like RG III had and I feel confident his workouts will only further it. Of course that's only speculation, but it seems like a likely collision course. I still can't believe that RGIII trade managed to turn into the 2nd overall pick.
You make perfect sense to me.
Totally agree that Manziel is the key. If he is there at #2, the Rams are in business.
All signs point to Houston not taking him, but will they trade the pick so someone else can? They could trade with Jax, so Jax takes Manziel. But that only works if the Texans aren't in love with a specific QB. As the saying goes if you are in love with a QB you take him when you can.
And you're not the only guy who can't believe how the RG3 trade turned out in terms of the picks. On the Rams message board there were guys who said Snead made a mistake and should not have spread the picks out. Snead said at the time of the deal, that he specifically wanted the a first round pick in 2014 and that's why the Skins deal was more appealing than the Browns offer. Snead certainly got lucky, but luck is a residue of design. The guy knows what he's doing.
You make perfect sense to me.
Totally agree that Manziel is the key. If he is there at #2, the Rams are in business.
All signs point to Houston not taking him, but will they trade the pick so someone else can? They could trade with Jax, so Jax takes Manziel. But that only works if the Texans aren't in love with a specific QB. As the saying goes if you are in love with a QB you take him when you can.
And you're not the only guy who can't believe how the RG3 trade turned out in terms of the picks. On the Rams message board there were guys who said Snead made a mistake and should not have spread the picks out. Snead said at the time of the deal, that he specifically wanted the a first round pick in 2014 and that's why the Skins deal was more appealing than the Browns offer. Snead certainly got lucky, but luck is a residue of design. The guy knows what he's doing.
Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make. We'd be in exactly the Redskins shoes if the Rams had taken the Browns offer instead of Washington's. Every Browns fan is saying a prayer of thanks that the Josh Gordon trade rumors didn't come true. Also, I would hope the RGIII deal collectively taught FOs across the NFL that it's foolhardy to sell the ranch on a qb prospect. Three firsts and a second isn't happening this year.
@mike-h said:
Really?
Yeah- Manziel had that great game against Sam Houston State too.
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You make perfect sense to me.
Totally agree that Manziel is the key. If he is there at #2, the Rams are in business.
All signs point to Houston not taking him, but will they trade the pick so someone else can? They could trade with Jax, so Jax takes Manziel. But that only works if the Texans aren't in love with a specific QB. As the saying goes if you are in love with a QB you take him when you can.
And you're not the only guy who can't believe how the RG3 trade turned out in terms of the picks. On the Rams message board there were guys who said Snead made a mistake and should not have spread the picks out. Snead said at the time of the deal, that he specifically wanted the a first round pick in 2014 and that's why the Skins deal was more appealing than the Browns offer. Snead certainly got lucky, but luck is a residue of design. The guy knows what he's doing.
Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make. We'd be in exactly the Redskins shoes if the Rams had taken the Browns offer instead of Washington's. Every Browns fan is saying a prayer of thanks that the Josh Gordon trade rumors didn't come true. Also, I would hope the RGIII deal collectively taught FOs across the NFL that it's foolhardy to sell the ranch on a qb prospect. Three firsts and a second isn't happening this year.
@mike-h said:
Really?
Yeah- Manziel had that great game against Sam Houston State too.
Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make. We'd be in exactly the Redskins shoes if the Rams had taken the Browns offer instead of Washington's. Every Browns fan is saying a prayer of thanks that the Josh Gordon trade rumors didn't come true. Also, I would hope the RGIII deal collectively taught FOs across the NFL that it's foolhardy to sell the ranch on a qb prospect. Three firsts and a second isn't happening this year.
Yeah- Manziel had that great game against Sam Houston State too.
I mean, it's not like he accounted for 5 touchdowns against the #1 ranked Bama defense or anything.
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@mike-h said:
Old people are irrationally hateful.
He's going to look dumb when Manziel plays well.
Him and that hippity hoppity rap music.
F**k rap, a trained monkey can play two or three note bass. Incidentally, I can still bang out a few chords on a guitar to know the difference. Old people also happen to have the benefit of experience. Am I allowed to yuck it up when Manziel blows out his knee? (Hopefully for some team other than the Browns?) Unlike Shep, I'm always the first to admit I'm wrong- (but I rarely am). OTOH, if we draft Johnny Football
and he turns out to be a mega bust- you can bet I'll be damned merciless on calling you out. Fair enough? BTW, no one trick ponies like Braylon Edwards- Derek Anderson either. Funny how the majority of the oldsters on the high side of 50 aren't buying the Johnny Football hype- because we actually saw Fran Tarkenton play. That equaled zero Super Bowl wins FYI, but that's ancient history right? .Mobile Steve Young won a few, but only if you want to tell me Josh Gordon is going to be another Jerry Rice, and TJ Ward is going to magically morph into Ronnie Lott. -
So Superbowl wins is your measure of a good QB? That means we have never had one.
Fran Tarkenton was a heck of a QB.
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@mike-h said:
Old people are irrationally hateful.
He's going to look dumb when Manziel plays well.
Him and that hippity hoppity rap music.
F**k rap, a trained monkey can play two or three note bass. Incidentally, I can still bang out a few chords on a guitar to know the difference. Old people also happen to have the benefit of experience. Am I allowed to yuck it up when Manziel blows out his knee? (Hopefully for some team other than the Browns?) Unlike Shep, I'm always the first to admit I'm wrong- (but I rarely am). OTOH, if we draft Johnny Football
and he turns out to be a mega bust- you can bet I'll be damned merciless on calling you out. Fair enough? BTW, no one trick ponies like Braylon Edwards- Derek Anderson either. Funny how the majority of the oldsters on the high side of 50 aren't buying the Johnny Football hype- because we actually saw Fran Tarkenton play. That equaled zero Super Bowl wins FYI, but that's ancient history right? .Mobile Steve Young won a few, but only if you want to tell me Josh Gordon is going to be another Jerry Rice, and TJ Ward is going to magically morph into Ronnie Lott.
Probably not, but I'd rather us do it our own way, not trying to mimic someone else's success.F**k rap, a trained monkey can play two or three note bass. Incidentally, I can still bang out a few chords on a guitar to know the difference. Old people also happen to have the benefit of experience. Am I allowed to yuck it up when Manziel blows out his knee? (Hopefully for some team other than the Browns?) Unlike Shep, I'm always the first to admit I'm wrong- (but I rarely am). OTOH, if we draft Johnny Football
and he turns out to be a mega bust- you can bet I'll be damned merciless on calling you out. Fair enough? BTW, no one trick ponies like Braylon Edwards- Derek Anderson either. Funny how the majority of the oldsters on the high side of 50 aren't buying the Johnny Football hype- because we actually saw Fran Tarkenton play. That equaled zero Super Bowl wins FYI, but that's ancient history right? .Mobile Steve Young won a few, but only if you want to tell me Josh Gordon is going to be another Jerry Rice, and TJ Ward is going to magically morph into Ronnie Lott. -
So Superbowl wins is your measure of a good QB? That means we have never had one.
Fran Tarkenton was a heck of a QB.
So Superbowl wins is your measure of a good QB? That means we have never had one.
Fran Tarkenton was a heck of a QB.
Yup. I'm old enough to have seen him play.
If Manziel turns out to be as good as Sir Francis, he'd be the best QB in Cleveland since Automatic Otto.
That's not worth a first round pick?
As Peter King said, Manziel won't get past Jax. He'd sell a lot of tickets there. And they are desperate for that.
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Probably not, but I'd rather us do it our own way, not trying to mimic someone else's success.F**k rap, a trained monkey can play two or three note bass. Incidentally, I can still bang out a few chords on a guitar to know the difference. Old people also happen to have the benefit of experience. Am I allowed to yuck it up when Manziel blows out his knee? (Hopefully for some team other than the Browns?) Unlike Shep, I'm always the first to admit I'm wrong- (but I rarely am). OTOH, if we draft Johnny Football
and he turns out to be a mega bust- you can bet I'll be damned merciless on calling you out. Fair enough? BTW, no one trick ponies like Braylon Edwards- Derek Anderson either. Funny how the majority of the oldsters on the high side of 50 aren't buying the Johnny Football hype- because we actually saw Fran Tarkenton play. That equaled zero Super Bowl wins FYI, but that's ancient history right? .Mobile Steve Young won a few, but only if you want to tell me Josh Gordon is going to be another Jerry Rice, and TJ Ward is going to magically morph into Ronnie Lott.XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Probably not, but I'd rather us do it our own way, not trying to mimic someone else's success.
Bud I wouldn't think there are all that many alternative methods to winning football games.
WSS
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I still Manziel as a warm weather player. His incredible darting out of
harm's way doesn't happen on a cold, wintry field, or in the rain.
The Texans and Jags will be happy with him, I suppose. Until they see
that his style of play doesn't fit the late season conditions in other
parts of the country, and I don't see him changing who he is, and how he plays.
Just my dumb opinion. We'll see.
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So Superbowl wins is your measure of a good QB? That means we have never had one.
Fran Tarkenton was a heck of a QB.
So Superbowl wins is your measure of a good QB? That means we have never had one.
Fran Tarkenton was a heck of a QB.
Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl. Dan Fouts never won a Super Bowl. Jim Kelly never won a Super Bowl. Warren Moon never won a Super Bowl.
All Hall of Famers.
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Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl. Dan Fouts never won a Super Bowl. Jim Kelly never won a Super Bowl. Warren Moon never won a Super Bowl.
All Hall of Famers.
I think that was his point.
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Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl. Dan Fouts never won a Super Bowl. Jim Kelly never won a Super Bowl. Warren Moon never won a Super Bowl.
All Hall of Famers.
I think that was his point.
I think that was his point.
I know, but he just gave it a light tap. I wanted to hammer it home
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There's been a lot of 'attack' on Bridgewater lately. Media generated and team induced...
It would really be a christmas gift in May if he falls to us. The dude is NFL ready..
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