Rams fan talking draft
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You make perfect sense to me.
Totally agree that Manziel is the key. If he is there at #2, the Rams are in business.
All signs point to Houston not taking him, but will they trade the pick so someone else can? They could trade with Jax, so Jax takes Manziel. But that only works if the Texans aren't in love with a specific QB. As the saying goes if you are in love with a QB you take him when you can.
And you're not the only guy who can't believe how the RG3 trade turned out in terms of the picks. On the Rams message board there were guys who said Snead made a mistake and should not have spread the picks out. Snead said at the time of the deal, that he specifically wanted the a first round pick in 2014 and that's why the Skins deal was more appealing than the Browns offer. Snead certainly got lucky, but luck is a residue of design. The guy knows what he's doing.
Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make. We'd be in exactly the Redskins shoes if the Rams had taken the Browns offer instead of Washington's. Every Browns fan is saying a prayer of thanks that the Josh Gordon trade rumors didn't come true. Also, I would hope the RGIII deal collectively taught FOs across the NFL that it's foolhardy to sell the ranch on a qb prospect. Three firsts and a second isn't happening this year.
@mike-h said:
Really?
Yeah- Manziel had that great game against Sam Houston State too.
Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make. We'd be in exactly the Redskins shoes if the Rams had taken the Browns offer instead of Washington's. Every Browns fan is saying a prayer of thanks that the Josh Gordon trade rumors didn't come true. Also, I would hope the RGIII deal collectively taught FOs across the NFL that it's foolhardy to sell the ranch on a qb prospect. Three firsts and a second isn't happening this year.
Yeah- Manziel had that great game against Sam Houston State too.
I mean, it's not like he accounted for 5 touchdowns against the #1 ranked Bama defense or anything.
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@mike-h said:
Old people are irrationally hateful.
He's going to look dumb when Manziel plays well.
Him and that hippity hoppity rap music.
F**k rap, a trained monkey can play two or three note bass. Incidentally, I can still bang out a few chords on a guitar to know the difference. Old people also happen to have the benefit of experience. Am I allowed to yuck it up when Manziel blows out his knee? (Hopefully for some team other than the Browns?) Unlike Shep, I'm always the first to admit I'm wrong- (but I rarely am). OTOH, if we draft Johnny Football
and he turns out to be a mega bust- you can bet I'll be damned merciless on calling you out. Fair enough? BTW, no one trick ponies like Braylon Edwards- Derek Anderson either. Funny how the majority of the oldsters on the high side of 50 aren't buying the Johnny Football hype- because we actually saw Fran Tarkenton play. That equaled zero Super Bowl wins FYI, but that's ancient history right? .Mobile Steve Young won a few, but only if you want to tell me Josh Gordon is going to be another Jerry Rice, and TJ Ward is going to magically morph into Ronnie Lott. -
So Superbowl wins is your measure of a good QB? That means we have never had one.
Fran Tarkenton was a heck of a QB.
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@mike-h said:
Old people are irrationally hateful.
He's going to look dumb when Manziel plays well.
Him and that hippity hoppity rap music.
F**k rap, a trained monkey can play two or three note bass. Incidentally, I can still bang out a few chords on a guitar to know the difference. Old people also happen to have the benefit of experience. Am I allowed to yuck it up when Manziel blows out his knee? (Hopefully for some team other than the Browns?) Unlike Shep, I'm always the first to admit I'm wrong- (but I rarely am). OTOH, if we draft Johnny Football
and he turns out to be a mega bust- you can bet I'll be damned merciless on calling you out. Fair enough? BTW, no one trick ponies like Braylon Edwards- Derek Anderson either. Funny how the majority of the oldsters on the high side of 50 aren't buying the Johnny Football hype- because we actually saw Fran Tarkenton play. That equaled zero Super Bowl wins FYI, but that's ancient history right? .Mobile Steve Young won a few, but only if you want to tell me Josh Gordon is going to be another Jerry Rice, and TJ Ward is going to magically morph into Ronnie Lott.
Probably not, but I'd rather us do it our own way, not trying to mimic someone else's success.F**k rap, a trained monkey can play two or three note bass. Incidentally, I can still bang out a few chords on a guitar to know the difference. Old people also happen to have the benefit of experience. Am I allowed to yuck it up when Manziel blows out his knee? (Hopefully for some team other than the Browns?) Unlike Shep, I'm always the first to admit I'm wrong- (but I rarely am). OTOH, if we draft Johnny Football
and he turns out to be a mega bust- you can bet I'll be damned merciless on calling you out. Fair enough? BTW, no one trick ponies like Braylon Edwards- Derek Anderson either. Funny how the majority of the oldsters on the high side of 50 aren't buying the Johnny Football hype- because we actually saw Fran Tarkenton play. That equaled zero Super Bowl wins FYI, but that's ancient history right? .Mobile Steve Young won a few, but only if you want to tell me Josh Gordon is going to be another Jerry Rice, and TJ Ward is going to magically morph into Ronnie Lott. -
So Superbowl wins is your measure of a good QB? That means we have never had one.
Fran Tarkenton was a heck of a QB.
So Superbowl wins is your measure of a good QB? That means we have never had one.
Fran Tarkenton was a heck of a QB.
Yup. I'm old enough to have seen him play.
If Manziel turns out to be as good as Sir Francis, he'd be the best QB in Cleveland since Automatic Otto.
That's not worth a first round pick?
As Peter King said, Manziel won't get past Jax. He'd sell a lot of tickets there. And they are desperate for that.
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Probably not, but I'd rather us do it our own way, not trying to mimic someone else's success.F**k rap, a trained monkey can play two or three note bass. Incidentally, I can still bang out a few chords on a guitar to know the difference. Old people also happen to have the benefit of experience. Am I allowed to yuck it up when Manziel blows out his knee? (Hopefully for some team other than the Browns?) Unlike Shep, I'm always the first to admit I'm wrong- (but I rarely am). OTOH, if we draft Johnny Football
and he turns out to be a mega bust- you can bet I'll be damned merciless on calling you out. Fair enough? BTW, no one trick ponies like Braylon Edwards- Derek Anderson either. Funny how the majority of the oldsters on the high side of 50 aren't buying the Johnny Football hype- because we actually saw Fran Tarkenton play. That equaled zero Super Bowl wins FYI, but that's ancient history right? .Mobile Steve Young won a few, but only if you want to tell me Josh Gordon is going to be another Jerry Rice, and TJ Ward is going to magically morph into Ronnie Lott.XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Probably not, but I'd rather us do it our own way, not trying to mimic someone else's success.
Bud I wouldn't think there are all that many alternative methods to winning football games.
WSS
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I still Manziel as a warm weather player. His incredible darting out of
harm's way doesn't happen on a cold, wintry field, or in the rain.
The Texans and Jags will be happy with him, I suppose. Until they see
that his style of play doesn't fit the late season conditions in other
parts of the country, and I don't see him changing who he is, and how he plays.
Just my dumb opinion. We'll see.
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So Superbowl wins is your measure of a good QB? That means we have never had one.
Fran Tarkenton was a heck of a QB.
So Superbowl wins is your measure of a good QB? That means we have never had one.
Fran Tarkenton was a heck of a QB.
Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl. Dan Fouts never won a Super Bowl. Jim Kelly never won a Super Bowl. Warren Moon never won a Super Bowl.
All Hall of Famers.
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Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl. Dan Fouts never won a Super Bowl. Jim Kelly never won a Super Bowl. Warren Moon never won a Super Bowl.
All Hall of Famers.
I think that was his point.
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Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl. Dan Fouts never won a Super Bowl. Jim Kelly never won a Super Bowl. Warren Moon never won a Super Bowl.
All Hall of Famers.
I think that was his point.
I think that was his point.
I know, but he just gave it a light tap. I wanted to hammer it home
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There's been a lot of 'attack' on Bridgewater lately. Media generated and team induced...
It would really be a christmas gift in May if he falls to us. The dude is NFL ready..
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So Superbowl wins is your measure of a good QB? That means we have never had one.
Fran Tarkenton was a heck of a QB.
Yup. I'm old enough to have seen him play.
If Manziel turns out to be as good as Sir Francis, he'd be the best QB in Cleveland since Automatic Otto.
That's not worth a first round pick?
As Peter King said, Manziel won't get past Jax. He'd sell a lot of tickets there. And they are desperate for that.
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There's been a lot of 'attack' on Bridgewater lately. Media generated and team induced...
It would really be a christmas gift in May if he falls to us. The dude is NFL ready..
There's been a lot of 'attack' on Bridgewater lately. Media generated and team induced...
It would really be a christmas gift in May if he falls to us. The dude is NFL ready..
Bridgewater is my least favorite of the big 3.
Higher floor, but lower ceiling.
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Just heard Peter King say he doesn't see Johnny Football in Houston. Doesn't fit the profile in Houston. Thinks they go with Bortles at #1 or in a trade down.
He stated the obvious, Rams wants to trade down. Didn't name a single player. Just that Snead is spoiled having multiple high picks and wants more.
Said Jax is a great fit for Johnny Football, and that JF won't get past #3.
PK said he knows that the Cleveland scouts really like Manziel, and now that Norv Turner is gone, that fits them going after Manziel.
He said it's early but if it ends up that Houston falls in love with Bortles and takes him at #1, then Rams are in business in a bidding war between Jax and Cleveland for Manziel.
I found it curious that PK didn't mention Teddy at all in the conversation. And I think the Raiders and Minny are in the mix as well.All this means to me is that I'll be shocked if these QBs last very long in this draft. I think these QBs will be rated a lot higher than last years guys, like Manuel and Smith and Nassib. Sure, there is no Luck in this draft but these guys are still fairly high picks.
Just heard Peter King say he doesn't see Johnny Football in Houston. Doesn't fit the profile in Houston. Thinks they go with Bortles at #1 or in a trade down.
He stated the obvious, Rams wants to trade down. Didn't name a single player. Just that Snead is spoiled having multiple high picks and wants more.
Said Jax is a great fit for Johnny Football, and that JF won't get past #3.
PK said he knows that the Cleveland scouts really like Manziel, and now that Norv Turner is gone, that fits them going after Manziel.
He said it's early but if it ends up that Houston falls in love with Bortles and takes him at #1, then Rams are in business in a bidding war between Jax and Cleveland for Manziel.
I found it curious that PK didn't mention Teddy at all in the conversation. And I think the Raiders and Minny are in the mix as well.
All this means to me is that I'll be shocked if these QBs last very long in this draft. I think these QBs will be rated a lot higher than last years guys, like Manuel and Smith and Nassib. Sure, there is no Luck in this draft but these guys are still fairly high picks.
Peter King is more of a speculator than all of us on the Browns Board. His head is firmly entrenched up the Patriots & NY Giants' rear ends. I'm got tired of him a few years ago.
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So Superbowl wins is your measure of a good QB? That means we have never had one.
Fran Tarkenton was a heck of a QB.
Yup. I'm old enough to have seen him play.
If Manziel turns out to be as good as Sir Francis, he'd be the best QB in Cleveland since Automatic Otto.
That's not worth a first round pick?
As Peter King said, Manziel won't get past Jax. He'd sell a lot of tickets there. And they are desperate for that.
Yup. I'm old enough to have seen him play.
If Manziel turns out to be as good as Sir Francis, he'd be the best QB in Cleveland since Automatic Otto.
That's not worth a first round pick?
As Peter King said, Manziel won't get past Jax. He'd sell a lot of tickets there. And they are desperate for that.
As I said (somewhere) selling tickets is a piss poor reason to draft a guy. With the events today in Cleveland, I have hope Haslam's come to the realization WINNING sells tickets, not hype.
Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl. Dan Fouts never won a Super Bowl. Jim Kelly never won a Super Bowl. Warren Moon never won a Super Bowl.
All Hall of Famers.
LOL, now when did I ever say Tarkenton wasn't good? But I did say Tarkenton may be Manziel's ceiling. However I also did say his floor is Ki-Jana Carter or Ryan Leaf. Maybe both combined.
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Just heard Peter King say he doesn't see Johnny Football in Houston. Doesn't fit the profile in Houston. Thinks they go with Bortles at #1 or in a trade down.
He stated the obvious, Rams wants to trade down. Didn't name a single player. Just that Snead is spoiled having multiple high picks and wants more.
Said Jax is a great fit for Johnny Football, and that JF won't get past #3.
PK said he knows that the Cleveland scouts really like Manziel, and now that Norv Turner is gone, that fits them going after Manziel.
He said it's early but if it ends up that Houston falls in love with Bortles and takes him at #1, then Rams are in business in a bidding war between Jax and Cleveland for Manziel.
I found it curious that PK didn't mention Teddy at all in the conversation. And I think the Raiders and Minny are in the mix as well.
All this means to me is that I'll be shocked if these QBs last very long in this draft. I think these QBs will be rated a lot higher than last years guys, like Manuel and Smith and Nassib. Sure, there is no Luck in this draft but these guys are still fairly high picks.
Peter King is more of a speculator than all of us on the Browns Board. His head is firmly entrenched up the Patriots & NY Giants' rear ends. I'm got tired of him a few years ago.
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In regards to Manziel, i'm not the only one seeing the floaters and forced passes thrown.
"Draft insider Tony Pauline sees "no justification" for selecting Texas A&M QB johnny Manziel with the No. 1 pick.
There are "too many floaters, forced passes, etc.," Pauline tweeted. Blake Bortles appears to be the odds on favorite for the No. 1 selection, but ESPN's Mel Kiper did recently say that Manziel is the "unanimous" top quarterback in this class. We do not believe "unanimous" exists in the NFL Draft world, especially this early in the process." -
Opinions are so all over the map on each of the 2014 top QB prospects that we can all find an "expert" that agrees with us...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Maxwell, I'm sorry if you've already answered this question, but lets say the Rams don't trade down on draft day, who is the one player you want at #2?
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@mike-h said:
Nah bro, I'll just pretend I hated him the whole time like most people with Trent Richardson.
You can look up my stuff- I was slamming PG on a daily basis before the draft about his love affair with Richardson. I think he needs psychological aid not only after that- but now he actually thinks we can get something for Weeden. BTW, with Farmer now in charge, I have 10X more confidence should he pick a qb, it's going to be the right one. All the regulars here know how I feel about Johnny Football
, so for the time being I'll give it a rest.
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