Homo Things
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lol..and id run
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Every human being as an inalienable right to determine who and who does not see them naked. We should respect Sam's rights as a human being and his desire to play professional football, but we must also respect the right of players who for religious or other concerns do not want a gay man to see them naked. Just as we shouldn't belittle or discriminate against people for being gay, we shouldn't belittle or discriminate against someone who is uncomfortable being naked around gays. We should find a way to accommodate both parties involved. It is the PROFESSIONAL football league and that's the professional thing to do.
The answer to this issue is a practical one, not a political one. Equip locker rooms with private shower and adjoining dressing rooms for anyone who wants privacy when showering or getting dressed. Anyone who doesn't care can use the team shower room. It really isn't that complicated, there are plenty of gyms with private and public showers already.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
Every human being as an inalienable right to determine who and who does not see them naked. We should respect Sam's rights as a human being and his desire to play professional football, but we must also respect the right of players who for religious or other concerns do not want a gay man to see them naked. Just as we shouldn't belittle or discriminate against people for being gay, we shouldn't belittle or discriminate against someone who is uncomfortable being naked around gays. We should find a way to accommodate both parties involved. It is the PROFESSIONAL football league and that's the professional thing to do.
The answer to this issue is a practical one, not a political one. Equip locker rooms with private shower and adjoining dressing rooms for anyone who wants privacy when showering or getting dressed. Anyone who doesn't care can use the team shower room. It really isn't that complicated, there are plenty of gyms with private and public showers already.
Every human being as an inalienable right to determine who and who does not see them naked. We should respect Sam's rights as a human being and his desire to play professional football, but we must also respect the right of players who for religious or other concerns do not want a gay man to see them naked. Just as we shouldn't belittle or discriminate against people for being gay, we shouldn't belittle or discriminate against someone who is uncomfortable being naked around gays. We should find a way to accommodate both parties involved. It is the PROFESSIONAL football league and that's the professional thing to do.
The answer to this issue is a practical one, not a political one. Equip locker rooms with private shower and adjoining dressing rooms for anyone who wants privacy when showering or getting dressed. Anyone who doesn't care can use the team shower room. It really isn't that complicated, there are plenty of gyms with private and public showers already.
Osiris this was very well put and I think summarizes how many of us feel very eloquently. nice job
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Look at it from his viewpoint... (if you're not too stubborn or closed-minded)
How would you feel if you were in a shower full of 250-300 pound lesbians?
Right? The guy walks into a shower full of a bunch of overweight people who he knows are not attracted to him in any way. Nobody is as attractive to us, when we know they are not attracted to us. Strippers get you heated by pretending to show interest in you, not just by getting naked. You guys are talking like every person in a locker room is "good looking." I'm not gay, and I actually have no ability to read if a man is attractive or not, but I can't imagine that all NFL players are attractive...? I couldn't imagine being stuck in a shower full of overweight lesbians, even if a couple are good-looking. I guess they were comfortable with me in there, I'd be cool, but I would know not to fu** with any of them b/c there was no reciprical interest...
Nobody is as attractive to us, when we know they are not attracted to us. Strippers get you heated by pretending to show interest in you, not just by getting naked.
Those are two of the silliest statements I have ever read. I could go into a long explanation but damn just read them and get real.
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I just don't give a shit because I am not worried about it. Over the course of your life if you have played sports, the numbers are against you not having already showered with someone who is gay but just not out. I doubt the guy is going to wander around with some raging chub wanting to reenact a scene from Oz. Not every gay dude is some sex crazed Retard.
Again, how do you guys keep your shit together at a strip club? Do you just sit the whole time so everyone can't see that you are walking around chubbed up and creepy as fuck?
If you don't get a chub at the strip club you might want to consider Viagra. I am not a gay hater but I have to admit I would not want to shower next to someone who is openly gay. It is absolutely no different than their condoning co ed showering. And that would simply not happen. It should be no different than high school........a shower for straight and a shower for gay. I am sure some will flame me but I truly see that in the same light as having a male and female shower facility.
If you don't get a chub at the strip club you might want to consider Viagra.
So you are the guy they have to kick out for touching the strippers?
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So you are the guy they have to kick out for touching the strippers?
Getting a chub for a hot naked female doesn't mean you have a lack of control and turn into a touchy feely idiot you dumbass. Your points are just fucking dumb.
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That also weirdly implies that you like to get all boned up in a room full of other dudes. Creepy, stripper involved or not.
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That also weirdly implies that you like to get all boned up in a room full of other dudes. Creepy, stripper involved or not.
That also weirdly implies that you like to get all boned up in a room full of other dudes. Creepy, stripper involved or not.
What is creepy is the weird path of logic you take to try to explain your defense of the situation being discussed. It is 100% normal for someone to have a hormonal and physical response to someone they find sexually attractive. This would be especially true in situations that are overtly sexual (strip clubs) or in close proximity to nudity. You can debate this all day with your bizarre nut job comparisons but you do not make sense. I would be far more worried about a guy that didn't sport a half chub at times in a strip club than one that did. All of these statements would also be true for a gay man in a gay strip club OR SHOWER ROOM full of naked men.
I have no issues with the guy being openly gay. I simply agree that straight men should have the right to shower in a different area. Perhaps there are reasons you don't get excited in a room full of hot nude strippers.
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That also weirdly implies that you like to get all boned up in a room full of other dudes. Creepy, stripper involved or not.
What is creepy is the weird path of logic you take to try to explain your defense of the situation being discussed. It is 100% normal for someone to have a hormonal and physical response to someone they find sexually attractive. This would be especially true in situations that are overtly sexual (strip clubs) or in close proximity to nudity. You can debate this all day with your bizarre nut job comparisons but you do not make sense. I would be far more worried about a guy that didn't sport a half chub at times in a strip club than one that did. All of these statements would also be true for a gay man in a gay strip club OR SHOWER ROOM full of naked men.
I have no issues with the guy being openly gay. I simply agree that straight men should have the right to shower in a different area. Perhaps there are reasons you don't get excited in a room full of hot nude strippers.
What is creepy is the weird path of logic you take to try to explain your defense of the situation being discussed. It is 100% normal for someone to have a hormonal and physical response to someone they find sexually attractive. This would be especially true in situations that are overtly sexual (strip clubs) or in close proximity to nudity. You can debate this all day with your bizarre nut job comparisons but you do not make sense. I would be far more worried about a guy that didn't sport a half chub at times in a strip club than one that did. All of these statements would also be true for a gay man in a gay strip club OR SHOWER ROOM full of naked men.
I hope you didn't look into the DJ's eyes too long while you were worked up in a room full of bros. Maybe you are projecting on Sam.
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What is creepy is the weird path of logic you take to try to explain your defense of the situation being discussed. It is 100% normal for someone to have a hormonal and physical response to someone they find sexually attractive. This would be especially true in situations that are overtly sexual (strip clubs) or in close proximity to nudity. You can debate this all day with your bizarre nut job comparisons but you do not make sense. I would be far more worried about a guy that didn't sport a half chub at times in a strip club than one that did. All of these statements would also be true for a gay man in a gay strip club OR SHOWER ROOM full of naked men.
I hope you didn't look into the DJ's eyes too long while you were worked up in a room full of bros. Maybe you are projecting on Sam.
I hope you didn't look into the DJ's eyes too long while you were worked up in a room full of bros. Maybe you are projecting on Sam.
I think its pretty obvious who's projecting here. lets just see what the overall feedback is Thanks for your trolling as well, added some fun to an uneventful day
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I hope you didn't look into the DJ's eyes too long while you were worked up in a room full of bros. Maybe you are projecting on Sam.
I think its pretty obvious who's projecting here. lets just see what the overall feedback is Thanks for your trolling as well, added some fun to an uneventful day
I think its pretty obvious who's projecting here. lets just see what the overall feedback is
All being a shithead aside, I don't think that players need to worry about Sam showering with everyone else and getting worked up. The guy lived his whole life as a gay person. I am sure he knows how to control himself. Dudes would tend to get pretty fucking pissed off if they were in a situation with a fellow football player and the guy was gaying it up.
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As long as no one drops the soap they should be fine........
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
I think its pretty obvious who's projecting here. lets just see what the overall feedback is
All being a shithead aside, I don't think that players need to worry about Sam showering with everyone else and getting worked up. The guy lived his whole life as a gay person. I am sure he knows how to control himself. Dudes would tend to get pretty fucking pissed off if they were in a situation with a fellow football player and the guy was gaying it up.
All being a shithead aside, I don't think that players need to worry about Sam showering with everyone else and getting worked up. The guy lived his whole life as a gay person. I am sure he knows how to control himself. Dudes would tend to get pretty fucking pissed off if they were in a situation with a fellow football player and the guy was gaying it up.
Whether or not Sam gets excited isn't the issue. I 100% agree that he probably knows how to control himself. The issue is making your locker room a place where everyone can feel comfortable, and that means applying the rules that exist in every gym in the the United States, and that means taking the physical attraction quotient out of the locker room. They can all hang out together, whip each other with towels, whatever, but when it comes to showering and being naked, there needs to be a private space for those that want it.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
As long as no one drops the soap they should be fine........
As long as no one drops the soap they should be fine........
Well lets hope Sam doesn't become a patriot.
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All being a shithead aside, I don't think that players need to worry about Sam showering with everyone else and getting worked up. The guy lived his whole life as a gay person. I am sure he knows how to control himself. Dudes would tend to get pretty fucking pissed off if they were in a situation with a fellow football player and the guy was gaying it up.
Whether or not Sam gets excited isn't the issue. I 100% agree that he probably knows how to control himself. The issue is making your locker room a place where everyone can feel comfortable, and that means applying the rules that exist in every gym in the the United States, and that means taking the physical attraction quotient out of the locker room. They can all hang out together, whip each other with towels, whatever, but when it comes to showering and being naked, there needs to be a private space for those that want it.
Whether or not Sam gets excited isn't the issue. I 100% agree that he probably knows how to control himself. The issue is making your locker room a place where everyone can feel comfortable, and that means applying the rules that exist in every gym in the the United States, and that means taking the physical attraction quotient out of the locker room. They can all hang out together, whip each other with towels, whatever, but when it comes to showering and being naked, there needs to be a private space for those that want it.
I work at a university and althought it's not a shower, there's been a large conversation about having unisex bathrooms.The general premise is that transgender men/women can use the facility. I'm currently getting my Master's in the field and I (partly) did some research on it for a paper. The problem with creating a 'private' space like that I guarantee it will be labeled as the shower for gay people. Although you couldn't legally tell Sam in this case to use it, the pressure to do so would be immense (as I saw in some studies). I get that it's not the same scenario but the general principle is the same.
I don't disagree with what you're saying though, everyone should be comfortable in the work enviornment. I think the bottom line is that these guys make these statements in a type of blissful ignorance though as they've never had a situation of a gay teammate. When they realize a guy is just trying to take a shower gay or not it might change their perception of the whole thing. Just my two cents there.
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Whether or not Sam gets excited isn't the issue. I 100% agree that he probably knows how to control himself. The issue is making your locker room a place where everyone can feel comfortable, and that means applying the rules that exist in every gym in the the United States, and that means taking the physical attraction quotient out of the locker room. They can all hang out together, whip each other with towels, whatever, but when it comes to showering and being naked, there needs to be a private space for those that want it.
I work at a university and althought it's not a shower, there's been a large conversation about having unisex bathrooms.The general premise is that transgender men/women can use the facility. I'm currently getting my Master's in the field and I (partly) did some research on it for a paper. The problem with creating a 'private' space like that I guarantee it will be labeled as the shower for gay people. Although you couldn't legally tell Sam in this case to use it, the pressure to do so would be immense (as I saw in some studies). I get that it's not the same scenario but the general principle is the same.
I don't disagree with what you're saying though, everyone should be comfortable in the work enviornment. I think the bottom line is that these guys make these statements in a type of blissful ignorance though as they've never had a situation of a gay teammate. When they realize a guy is just trying to take a shower gay or not it might change their perception of the whole thing. Just my two cents there.
I work at a university and althought it's not a shower, there's been a large conversation about having unisex bathrooms.The general premise is that transgender men/women can use the facility. I'm currently getting my Master's in the field and I (partly) did some research on it for a paper. The problem with creating a 'private' space like that I guarantee it will be labeled as the shower for gay people. Although you couldn't legally tell Sam in this case to use it, the pressure to do so would be immense (as I saw in some studies). I get that it's not the same scenario but the general principle is the same.
I don't disagree with what you're saying though, everyone should be comfortable in the work enviornment. I think the bottom line is that these guys make these statements in a type of blissful ignorance though as they've never had a situation of a gay teammate. When they realize a guy is just trying to take a shower gay or not it might change their perception of the whole thing. Just my two cents there.
I can see that this could be a problem, though bathrooms by their nature are private anyway, so I'm not sure if the comparison holds. The solution is for the coach and team leaders to simply make it clear that no one is to be pressured to use the private or public shower. In any case, pressuring a gay person to use the private shower doesn't solve the problem for anyone uncomfortable with being seen naked by a gay guy, because he'll come out of the private shower and into the locker room where men are walking around naked or otherwise anyway. That's why the solution is for the uncomfortable guy to use the private shower so he is in total control of who sees his body.
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Im not someone who would haress someone just cause there gay but at same time i think a straight person shoul;dnt be forced to shower with a gay person, Lots are makeing him out as a HERO for openly saying hes gay im just wondering if its not about $$$$$$$$ to him.Being first draft prospect to openly admit hes gay will get him tv appearences such.
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I wouldn't wanna shower with someone whos gay,would you?
Vilma didn't say anything about a boner,he just said the guy is looking at me
I wouldn't wanna shower with someone whos gay,would you?
Vilma didn't say anything about a boner,he just said the guy is looking at me
If you're showering with men, you're already a little gay.
I don't see the big deal. If a guy wants to think in hot, let him think I'm hot. If a guy wants to think im a douche, let him think I'm a douche.
A persons thoughts about me have absolutely no influence over my life.
It's only when thoughts become actions that a problem presents itself, and gay people are just as capable of controlling themselves as straight people. It's not like they instantly hop on and fuck the first dude butt that walks by.
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All being a shithead aside, I don't think that players need to worry about Sam showering with everyone else and getting worked up. The guy lived his whole life as a gay person. I am sure he knows how to control himself. Dudes would tend to get pretty fucking pissed off if they were in a situation with a fellow football player and the guy was gaying it up.
Whether or not Sam gets excited isn't the issue. I 100% agree that he probably knows how to control himself. The issue is making your locker room a place where everyone can feel comfortable, and that means applying the rules that exist in every gym in the the United States, and that means taking the physical attraction quotient out of the locker room. They can all hang out together, whip each other with towels, whatever, but when it comes to showering and being naked, there needs to be a private space for those that want it.
Whether or not Sam gets excited isn't the issue. I 100% agree that he probably knows how to control himself. The issue is making your locker room a place where everyone can feel comfortable, and that means applying the rules that exist in every gym in the the United States, and that means taking the physical attraction quotient out of the locker room. They can all hang out together, whip each other with towels, whatever, but when it comes to showering and being naked, there needs to be a private space for those that want it.
So, just so a couple close minded individuals don't get the willies, one person gets segregated from the rest?
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