Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I have watched a lot more Manziel footage. Has happy feet, doesn't read defenses well, lobs passes up and hopes that his receivers bail him out (Evans did that quite a lot). Will he develop into a good QB? Anything is possible. Right now he is not worth a top 10 pick. He won't be able to use his athleticism to save him from a bad read in the pros. Vick was a better athlete and still got smashed.
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I have watched a lot more Manziel footage. Has happy feet, doesn't read defenses well, lobs passes up and hopes that his receivers bail him out (Evans did that quite a lot). Will he develop into a good QB? Anything is possible. Right now he is not worth a top 10 pick. He won't be able to use his athleticism to save him from a bad read in the pros. Vick was a better athlete and still got smashed.
Vick was a better athlete and still got smashed.
as will RG3 continue to be. he's got a lifespan in the nfl of a mosquito.
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How about I'm going to try and be the best player I can be in the NFL, not I'm going to be the next freaking Joe Namath\ Joe Montana instead? BTW Johnny Football the way you scramble you'll have Joe Willey's knees in the NFL in no time.
How about "Im going to pour my heart out to try to bring Cleveland a superbowl"
How about "Im going to pour my heart out to try to bring Cleveland a superbowl"
Gawd, are you that oblivious? He wants the Texans to draft him!!! I'll put my heart and soul into any team stupid enough to draft me in the first round, I don't care. Johnny Football = Johnny Paycheck.
Why's it all hype? Just because you don't like him? You can say that about any QB.
I posted the video because he's a potential candidate for us to draft, he's working for one the most respected QB coaches around and has been for the last two off season. He's got a chip on his shoulder, and busts his ass everyday to improve his craft. Great attribute if you ask me. I like what he brings, and am trying to show you why. His entire life he's been told he can't do this and can't do that, and has proven people wrong over and over....If thats hype then give me The Great White Hype
Read the damn scouting reports- not the JF Hype machine. You wonder why he's getting coaching? His footwork is below par. Every damn scouting report says he's got happy feet, takes off with no pressure, and misses seeing wide open WRs. That's a RGIII blown out knee waiting to happen.
Screw "willing" to come to Cleveland. Most of these guys in the draft are willing to go anywhere they can be drafted high for a fat paycheck and I do not blame them. But come on don't buy into the whole marketing hype bullshit. Now if the guy had said throughout the interview Cleveland or bust that's a different story but he didn't. This guy has got a high dollar staff of propaganda machine re-imaging marketing people on board he is going to say what everyone wants to hear.
If he ends up in Cleveland I will support the hell out of him as a fan until he wins or crashes and burns but I am not drinking the Kool-aid yet.
Exactly.
He played 2 years in the toughest conference in College Football and hasn't missed a game. He's taken plenty of big hits to show he's durable and tough as nails. His injury concern is being blown way out of proportion.
He also put up big numbers in an offense that featured Kase Keenum before he got there. Big hits in college are love taps compared to what he's going to get in the NFL.
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@mike-h said:
What QBs has Farmer drafted, Mik, to make you think he would or wouldn't do something?
Remember, Farmer was the guy scouting Manziel this year.
Potential scenario: Farmer loves Manziel and Lombardi resisted. Jimmy wants the flash.
Scenario 2: Banner and Lombardo wanted Manziel and Farmer talked sense into Jimmy.
We'll see in 82 days.... SO LONG...
none that i know of mike. but doesn't logic come into play at some point when thinking about what we're talking about?
hell, farmer might be the biggest manziel fan on the planet and have a poker face that could outdo anyone in vegas..............
IMHO without upsetting all the JF queefs out there, that given 2 out of 3 guys that are going to call the shots come draft day are defensive minded, do you really think a spoiled brat from T A&M is going to scare pettine or farmer into saying "OMG we better draft this kid cuz he is the real deal!" after watching his workouts and his self-promotional videos?
you have to be smarter than that.
and mike the draft is in 82 days the first bout of the combines start a week from now.
doubt if any top seeded QB has the balls to throw then, which in my eyes mean you are a pussy to begin with because you won't accept the challenge and you should drop to where people in the past have scouted you....in the late first to mid second round pick.
right now. i got a six of your fave beer vs. mine that manziel doesn't throw at the combine. what @ most it's a $20 bet. show some balls. or any of you other JF queefs step up to the plate. i've got a paypal account. no probs.
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How about "Im going to pour my heart out to try to bring Cleveland a superbowl"
Gawd, are you that oblivious? He wants the Texans to draft him!!! I'll put my heart and soul into any team stupid enough to draft me in the first round, I don't care. Johnny Football = Johnny Paycheck.
Why's it all hype? Just because you don't like him? You can say that about any QB.
I posted the video because he's a potential candidate for us to draft, he's working for one the most respected QB coaches around and has been for the last two off season. He's got a chip on his shoulder, and busts his ass everyday to improve his craft. Great attribute if you ask me. I like what he brings, and am trying to show you why. His entire life he's been told he can't do this and can't do that, and has proven people wrong over and over....If thats hype then give me The Great White Hype
Read the damn scouting reports- not the JF Hype machine. You wonder why he's getting coaching? His footwork is below par. Every damn scouting report says he's got happy feet, takes off with no pressure, and misses seeing wide open WRs. That's a RGIII blown out knee waiting to happen.
Screw "willing" to come to Cleveland. Most of these guys in the draft are willing to go anywhere they can be drafted high for a fat paycheck and I do not blame them. But come on don't buy into the whole marketing hype bullshit. Now if the guy had said throughout the interview Cleveland or bust that's a different story but he didn't. This guy has got a high dollar staff of propaganda machine re-imaging marketing people on board he is going to say what everyone wants to hear.
If he ends up in Cleveland I will support the hell out of him as a fan until he wins or crashes and burns but I am not drinking the Kool-aid yet.
Exactly.
He played 2 years in the toughest conference in College Football and hasn't missed a game. He's taken plenty of big hits to show he's durable and tough as nails. His injury concern is being blown way out of proportion.
He also put up big numbers in an offense that featured Kase Keenum before he got there. Big hits in college are love taps compared to what he's going to get in the NFL.
Gawd, are you that oblivious? He wants the Texans to draft him!!! I'll put my heart and soul into any team stupid enough to draft me in the first round, I don't care. Johnny Football = Johnny Paycheck.
Oh you think the kid from Texas want the Houston Texans to draft him first overall???? You're fucking Einstein
Read the damn scouting reports- not the JF Hype machine. You wonder why he's getting coaching? His footwork is below par. Every damn scouting report says he's got happy feet, takes off with no pressure, and misses seeing wide open WRs. That's a RGIII blown out knee waiting to happen.
I dont form an opinion on somebody else's scouting report. I watch the film, I cant find anywere were he takes off without pressure or a designed run.....please show me were this exist's.
Exactly.
He also put up big numbers in an offense that featured Kase Keenum before he got there. Big hits in college are love taps compared to what he's going to get in the NFL.
Kase Keenum played for Houston in Conference USA......hardly the competition of the SEC
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That's a smart bet when we already know he's not gonna throw, nothing uncommon for most of the top guys.
You don't want scouts judging your accuracy with receivers you've never thrown to
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I've never actively wished for a player to succeed solely to prove someone wrong, but I'm honestly starting to lean toward that way of thinking regarding Manziel.
It's nothing but the same ill-informed dreck from the same people over and over again. There are literally only three people who even attempt to make rational scouting conversation and that actually do their own analysis. The rest is just recycled, misquoted bullshit from ESPN that, honestly, doesn't even belong in conversation.
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I've never actively wished for a player to succeed solely to prove someone wrong, but I'm honestly starting to lean toward that way of thinking regarding Manziel.
It's nothing but the same ill-informed dreck from the same people over and over again. There are literally only three people who even attempt to make rational scouting conversation and that actually do their own analysis. The rest is just recycled, misquoted bullshit from ESPN that, honestly, doesn't even belong in conversation.
I've never actively wished for a player to succeed solely to prove someone wrong, but I'm honestly starting to lean toward that way of thinking regarding Manziel.
It's nothing but the same ill-informed dreck from the same people over and over again. There are literally only three people who even attempt to make rational scouting conversation and that actually do their own analysis. The rest is just recycled, misquoted bullshit from ESPN that, honestly, doesn't even belong in conversation.
so you're siding with kiper and all the other mis-informed dregs that consider manziel #1 goods? so instead of being in the minority you are now in the majority.
hey i hope the kid does do good. and if we draft him (like we did TR, weeden and mccoy) i'll root for them even though i thought at the time what a dumb move.
meanwhile i don't know what agent he signed with but whoever it is needs to tell the kid to shut the fuck up. watching olberman tonite and now i've seen where he has said that if jacksonville passes on him it will be "the biggest mistake of their lives, because i'll make sure they will have regretted that decision each and everytime we play them."
what a cunt. i DON'T root for assholes like that unless of course they are on my team.
that kid wouldn't last a season in cleveland IMHO, begging the differences of such acclaimed football analysis fans on this forum such as MIKE H, TCPO, WALTER WHITE, CLEVEANDMILK AND JEFFINPODUNKLAND.
call me when you wanna make that bet guys.
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He played 2 years in the toughest conference in College Football and hasn't missed a game. He's taken plenty of big hits to show he's durable and tough as nails. His injury concern is being blown way out of proportion.
He played 2 years in the toughest conference in College Football and hasn't missed a game. He's taken plenty of big hits to show he's durable and tough as nails. His injury concern is being blown way out of proportion.
How many players does an SEC school send to the NFL any given year? 4? 5? 6? In the NFL everyone is Pro-caliber. Even for an SEC team only 5-15% of the roster is pro-caliber...
Manziel's bread and butter is extending the play until the defense breaks down, just like Big Ben. Unfortunately for JCF, Worthlessburger does it with pocket presence, mobility and size. Manziel only has mobility, his pocket presence is "eh" at best, and if he was a girl he'd be considered pretty tall.
He's not gonna have the time he did in college (both years at A&M he had a blue-chip left tackle), he's not gonna be able to buy the time (NFL is a LOT faster) and if by some stroke of luck he doesn't look like a used up tube of toothpaste due to the beating he's going to take, the alternative will be him turning the ball over constantly due to all of his praying (shit the guy can't go through progressions).
If he's there with the second 3rd rounder, sure, take a shot, but #4 overall? Really?!
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@mike-h said:
I'll bet you 100$ he doesn't throw at the combine.
hey! you can't over-reach on the same bet.........that's like bizarro world or some shit.
so when carr or fales or garroppolo (sp?) do throw and shine like a crazy diamond, what does that do to the draft value of the top 3?
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All that means, the press, is that other teams shouldn't worry about him pulling an Elway on draft day.
WSS
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Derek Carr is going to need you to stay outside of the legally specified 300 ft, Poetic.
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I've never actively wished for a player to succeed solely to prove someone wrong, but I'm honestly starting to lean toward that way of thinking regarding Manziel.
It's nothing but the same ill-informed dreck from the same people over and over again. There are literally only three people who even attempt to make rational scouting conversation and that actually do their own analysis. The rest is just recycled, misquoted bullshit from ESPN that, honestly, doesn't even belong in conversation.
so you're siding with kiper and all the other mis-informed dregs that consider manziel #1 goods? so instead of being in the minority you are now in the majority.
hey i hope the kid does do good. and if we draft him (like we did TR, weeden and mccoy) i'll root for them even though i thought at the time what a dumb move.
meanwhile i don't know what agent he signed with but whoever it is needs to tell the kid to shut the fuck up. watching olberman tonite and now i've seen where he has said that if jacksonville passes on him it will be "the biggest mistake of their lives, because i'll make sure they will have regretted that decision each and everytime we play them."
what a cunt. i DON'T root for assholes like that unless of course they are on my team.
that kid wouldn't last a season in cleveland IMHO, begging the differences of such acclaimed football analysis fans on this forum such as MIKE H, TCPO, WALTER WHITE, CLEVEANDMILK AND JEFFINPODUNKLAND.
call me when you wanna make that bet guys.
so you're siding with kiper and all the other mis-informed dregs that consider manziel #1 goods? so instead of being in the minority you are now in the majority.
hey i hope the kid does do good. and if we draft him (like we did TR, weeden and mccoy) i'll root for them even though i thought at the time what a dumb move.
meanwhile i don't know what agent he signed with but whoever it is needs to tell the kid to shut the fuck up. watching olberman tonite and now i've seen where he has said that if jacksonville passes on him it will be "the biggest mistake of their lives, because i'll make sure they will have regretted that decision each and everytime we play them."
what a cunt. i DON'T root for assholes like that unless of course they are on my team.
that kid wouldn't last a season in cleveland IMHO, begging the differences of such acclaimed football analysis fans on this forum such as MIKE H, TCPO, WALTER WHITE, CLEVEANDMILK AND JEFFINPODUNKLAND.
call me when you wanna make that bet guys.
I never said that I thought he's a #1 overall.
What I said is that people on here are judging him based on reading others scouting reports and don't do their own research.
I don't know what bet you're talking about but I'm willing to wager that he'll win more games for Houston if they get him than we win if we don't.
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Im willing to bet Manziel has the best career of any QB prospect in this draft.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Im willing to bet Manziel has the best career of any QB prospect in this draft.
Right on.
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my bet was he doesn't throw at the combine.
any six pack of fine beer.
period.
he won't because he doesn't have the balls.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Im willing to bet Manziel has the best career of any QB prospect in this draft.
in what period of time before he gets pummeled? his first year starting? second?
let's get specific now.
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my bet was he doesn't throw at the combine.
any six pack of fine beer.
period.
he won't because he doesn't have the balls.
my bet was he doesn't throw at the combine.
any six pack of fine beer.
period.
he won't because he doesn't have the balls.
His agent already said he wouldn't, do you have the balls to make a bet thats not already predetermined.
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