Jonathan Paul Manziel
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That's a smart bet when we already know he's not gonna throw, nothing uncommon for most of the top guys.
You don't want scouts judging your accuracy with receivers you've never thrown to
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I've never actively wished for a player to succeed solely to prove someone wrong, but I'm honestly starting to lean toward that way of thinking regarding Manziel.
It's nothing but the same ill-informed dreck from the same people over and over again. There are literally only three people who even attempt to make rational scouting conversation and that actually do their own analysis. The rest is just recycled, misquoted bullshit from ESPN that, honestly, doesn't even belong in conversation.
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I've never actively wished for a player to succeed solely to prove someone wrong, but I'm honestly starting to lean toward that way of thinking regarding Manziel.
It's nothing but the same ill-informed dreck from the same people over and over again. There are literally only three people who even attempt to make rational scouting conversation and that actually do their own analysis. The rest is just recycled, misquoted bullshit from ESPN that, honestly, doesn't even belong in conversation.
I've never actively wished for a player to succeed solely to prove someone wrong, but I'm honestly starting to lean toward that way of thinking regarding Manziel.
It's nothing but the same ill-informed dreck from the same people over and over again. There are literally only three people who even attempt to make rational scouting conversation and that actually do their own analysis. The rest is just recycled, misquoted bullshit from ESPN that, honestly, doesn't even belong in conversation.
so you're siding with kiper and all the other mis-informed dregs that consider manziel #1 goods? so instead of being in the minority you are now in the majority.
hey i hope the kid does do good. and if we draft him (like we did TR, weeden and mccoy) i'll root for them even though i thought at the time what a dumb move.
meanwhile i don't know what agent he signed with but whoever it is needs to tell the kid to shut the fuck up. watching olberman tonite and now i've seen where he has said that if jacksonville passes on him it will be "the biggest mistake of their lives, because i'll make sure they will have regretted that decision each and everytime we play them."
what a cunt. i DON'T root for assholes like that unless of course they are on my team.
that kid wouldn't last a season in cleveland IMHO, begging the differences of such acclaimed football analysis fans on this forum such as MIKE H, TCPO, WALTER WHITE, CLEVEANDMILK AND JEFFINPODUNKLAND.
call me when you wanna make that bet guys.
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He played 2 years in the toughest conference in College Football and hasn't missed a game. He's taken plenty of big hits to show he's durable and tough as nails. His injury concern is being blown way out of proportion.
He played 2 years in the toughest conference in College Football and hasn't missed a game. He's taken plenty of big hits to show he's durable and tough as nails. His injury concern is being blown way out of proportion.
How many players does an SEC school send to the NFL any given year? 4? 5? 6? In the NFL everyone is Pro-caliber. Even for an SEC team only 5-15% of the roster is pro-caliber...
Manziel's bread and butter is extending the play until the defense breaks down, just like Big Ben. Unfortunately for JCF, Worthlessburger does it with pocket presence, mobility and size. Manziel only has mobility, his pocket presence is "eh" at best, and if he was a girl he'd be considered pretty tall.
He's not gonna have the time he did in college (both years at A&M he had a blue-chip left tackle), he's not gonna be able to buy the time (NFL is a LOT faster) and if by some stroke of luck he doesn't look like a used up tube of toothpaste due to the beating he's going to take, the alternative will be him turning the ball over constantly due to all of his praying (shit the guy can't go through progressions).
If he's there with the second 3rd rounder, sure, take a shot, but #4 overall? Really?!
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@mike-h said:
I'll bet you 100$ he doesn't throw at the combine.
hey! you can't over-reach on the same bet.........that's like bizarro world or some shit.
so when carr or fales or garroppolo (sp?) do throw and shine like a crazy diamond, what does that do to the draft value of the top 3?
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All that means, the press, is that other teams shouldn't worry about him pulling an Elway on draft day.
WSS
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Derek Carr is going to need you to stay outside of the legally specified 300 ft, Poetic.
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I've never actively wished for a player to succeed solely to prove someone wrong, but I'm honestly starting to lean toward that way of thinking regarding Manziel.
It's nothing but the same ill-informed dreck from the same people over and over again. There are literally only three people who even attempt to make rational scouting conversation and that actually do their own analysis. The rest is just recycled, misquoted bullshit from ESPN that, honestly, doesn't even belong in conversation.
so you're siding with kiper and all the other mis-informed dregs that consider manziel #1 goods? so instead of being in the minority you are now in the majority.
hey i hope the kid does do good. and if we draft him (like we did TR, weeden and mccoy) i'll root for them even though i thought at the time what a dumb move.
meanwhile i don't know what agent he signed with but whoever it is needs to tell the kid to shut the fuck up. watching olberman tonite and now i've seen where he has said that if jacksonville passes on him it will be "the biggest mistake of their lives, because i'll make sure they will have regretted that decision each and everytime we play them."
what a cunt. i DON'T root for assholes like that unless of course they are on my team.
that kid wouldn't last a season in cleveland IMHO, begging the differences of such acclaimed football analysis fans on this forum such as MIKE H, TCPO, WALTER WHITE, CLEVEANDMILK AND JEFFINPODUNKLAND.
call me when you wanna make that bet guys.
so you're siding with kiper and all the other mis-informed dregs that consider manziel #1 goods? so instead of being in the minority you are now in the majority.
hey i hope the kid does do good. and if we draft him (like we did TR, weeden and mccoy) i'll root for them even though i thought at the time what a dumb move.
meanwhile i don't know what agent he signed with but whoever it is needs to tell the kid to shut the fuck up. watching olberman tonite and now i've seen where he has said that if jacksonville passes on him it will be "the biggest mistake of their lives, because i'll make sure they will have regretted that decision each and everytime we play them."
what a cunt. i DON'T root for assholes like that unless of course they are on my team.
that kid wouldn't last a season in cleveland IMHO, begging the differences of such acclaimed football analysis fans on this forum such as MIKE H, TCPO, WALTER WHITE, CLEVEANDMILK AND JEFFINPODUNKLAND.
call me when you wanna make that bet guys.
I never said that I thought he's a #1 overall.
What I said is that people on here are judging him based on reading others scouting reports and don't do their own research.
I don't know what bet you're talking about but I'm willing to wager that he'll win more games for Houston if they get him than we win if we don't.
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Im willing to bet Manziel has the best career of any QB prospect in this draft.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Im willing to bet Manziel has the best career of any QB prospect in this draft.
Right on.
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my bet was he doesn't throw at the combine.
any six pack of fine beer.
period.
he won't because he doesn't have the balls.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Im willing to bet Manziel has the best career of any QB prospect in this draft.
in what period of time before he gets pummeled? his first year starting? second?
let's get specific now.
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my bet was he doesn't throw at the combine.
any six pack of fine beer.
period.
he won't because he doesn't have the balls.
my bet was he doesn't throw at the combine.
any six pack of fine beer.
period.
he won't because he doesn't have the balls.
His agent already said he wouldn't, do you have the balls to make a bet thats not already predetermined.
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
No combine for Johnny Streetball and a couple others whining cause they don't have their security blanket receivers.
well no throwing i mean
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I have watched a lot more Manziel footage. Has happy feet, doesn't read defenses well, lobs passes up and hopes that his receivers bail him out (Evans did that quite a lot). Will he develop into a good QB? Anything is possible. Right now he is not worth a top 10 pick. He won't be able to use his athleticism to save him from a bad read in the pros. Vick was a better athlete and still got smashed.
I have watched a lot more Manziel footage. Has happy feet, doesn't read defenses well, lobs passes up and hopes that his receivers bail him out (Evans did that quite a lot). Will he develop into a good QB? Anything is possible. Right now he is not worth a top 10 pick. He won't be able to use his athleticism to save him from a bad read in the pros. Vick was a better athlete and still got smashed.
I totally agree
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my bet was he doesn't throw at the combine.
any six pack of fine beer.
period.
he won't because he doesn't have the balls.
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His agent already said he wouldn't, do you have the balls to make a bet thats not already predetermined.
Umm I do. I will bet you that Manziel is not drafted by Cleveland OR if he is he posts are record under .500 year 1
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His agent already said he wouldn't, do you have the balls to make a bet thats not already predetermined.
Umm I do. I will bet you that Manziel is not drafted by Cleveland OR if he is he posts are record under .500 year 1
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