Why the Cardinals will win the Super Bowl
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Rumors have been flying about Squeelers players out partying all night at Tampa area strip clubs. And Big Gay Ben doesn't tip.
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Masters said:
By your logic it wasn't a rivalry when CLE was beating PIT for decades either. After all, PIT needed 10 years against an expansion team to tie up the all time record. It is and always will be a rivalry because it is one of the oldest in the NFL. It's been passed down for generations on both sides.One minor quibble, even though it's one I hate to make...like the Steelers pre-Noll, the Browns can only play the "expansion team" card for two years, three tops--although I'm inclined to say two based on free agency. The other eight years have just been the Steelers beating a team that sucks.
Dennis
One minor quibble, even though it's one I hate to make...like the Steelers pre-Noll, the Browns can only play the "expansion team" card for two years, three tops--although I'm inclined to say two based on free agency. The other eight years have just been the Steelers beating a team that sucks.
Dennis
The Browns owned the Steelers fro much of the late 80's as well. But all I am saying is that CLE vs. PIT is a long standing rivalry. It isn't like IND vs. TEN or IND vs. JAX, where it only showed up a few years ago when both started fighting for division titles.
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Okay, when exactly did I say I didn't understand what a rivalry is? Steelers have had a heated rivalry with the Ravens the past decade. When the Steelers and Browns play, its less of a rivalry and more of an abusive relationship.
There have been many times over the years that one team has owned the other. That's what happens in rivalries. Even after us being so bad these past ten years, your team is still only a few games ahead of us in the head-to-head record so stop making it sound like it's always been so one-sided. As you said later in this post - why are you chosing to just look at recent history and not all of it?
You may have interpreted that I said that the Steelers always have been the Browns. Although, I never meant to imply that. In recent years it has been a pretty pathetic rivaly. As Steeler fans, we consider the Ravens and Pats more of rivals today becuase its always a hard hitting and close game. You Browns fans may think playing the Steelers is still a heated rivaly, but the Steelers don't.
The Steelers have NEVER asked our qbs to be a Manning or Brady becuase thats not the kind of system we run. Ben not putting up big numbers just means he is a perfect fit with the system. You not understanding thats seems to point you aren't fully aware of how the Steelers are run. You would know this though if you followed the rivavlry as long as you claimed. Bens ask to win games and thats exactly what he does!
My point is this. They have been times when you have asked him to do that and he has not done it well so your offense plays to his strengths which is managing the game. It's not right or wrong - it just may make the difference on whether or not he will be considered one of the best or H.O.F. material.
If you give Parker and Ward credit when we win, shouldn't they also be blamed for the loss? Yeah, of course, Ben has bad games but that doesn't keep you out of the HOF. Every QB has lost a big game.
Obviously, if you want to win the Super Bowl you have to have a good defense. In the 4th quarter he just goes to the next level and gets it done in the clutch. Thats all on him. Not the D, not the coach, and not the running back.
Are you telling me that you give no credit to Hines Ward or Willie Parker (for example) for assisting him?
See above.... If you watch Ben, he will often make plays when nothing is there. Yeah, someone catches the ball, but Ben is just on the next level at times.
Many have accused the Steelers have cheated but they are the same people who don't back up their claim with facts. They say in with emotion and not intellect.
Many have accused the Patriots of winning Super Bowls because of their cheating even though most experts agree that it had nothing to do with it. They even went 18-0 after being "caught". So are you answering with emotion or intellect?
I want you and the so called "experts" to answer this following question. If the Patriots didn't gain an advantage from taping singals, why do it? One good season in which you made the SB and lost doesn't count as a dynasty, does it? Teams copy great, long term success. Not one hit wonders.
They cheated in their three Super Bowl wins... Steelers are consistantly good. Take away a capable QB from the Pats and you take away any chance at the playoffs. Steelers don't put that kind of responsibility on a single player becuase its too risky. Steelers win so often becuase one player having a bad game doesn't destroy the entire game plan. Why are you chosing to just look at recent history and not all of it?
OK, now your are talking a bunch of crap. Tom Brady is more than just a capable QB - he is the best QB in the NFL and even after losing him and subbing in a QB who hadn't started a game since high school they still won 11 games.
By saying "capable" I didn't mean thats all Brady is. He is more then capable. Although, for something to function properly (like an NFL offense) they need all their parts to be capable. If Warner went to the Pats, there is no reason to not believe they still wouldn't always be a playoff contender. His style is more then capable of running the Pats offense. Although, if the Pats qb was someone like Ken Dorsey, then the Pats would probably looking at a top ten pick. Their team is build around a high powered passing offense. If you don't have a qb, then you have disaster.
Now look at the Steelers. We had some pretty good teams in the mid-90's and early part of this millenium. That success had mostly to do with the defense and running game. The Steelers back then were good but not great enough for a Super Bowl. Thats becuase when it was the QB's turn to do his part, Maddox, Kordell, and O'neil usually where not doing their job. Notice now that we have Ben we made the AFC Tittle game 3 times in 5 years. Winning two of them and even winning the Super Bowl. When Ben had to step up to the plate he is known for doing his duty. With the Steelers system you can have success while lacking a good qb. With the Steelers system, you still need a capable qb for great success. His probowl, Super Bowl appearences, and great early stats for a QB operating the Steelers system is proof Ben isn't only capable of doing his job, but winning games on his arm.
You may have interpreted that I said that the Steelers always have been the Browns. Although, I never meant to imply that. In recent years it has been a pretty pathetic rivaly. As Steeler fans, we consider the Ravens and Pats more of rivals today becuase its always a hard hitting and close game. You Browns fans may think playing the Steelers is still a heated rivaly, but the Steelers don't.
Funny, Hines Ward would disagree. "Cleveland and Pittsburgh is a rivalry itself". And he said that leading up to the BALT playoff game. I have to ask, how long have you actually been a Steelers fan?
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You may have interpreted that I said that the Steelers always have been the Browns. Although, I never meant to imply that. In recent years it has been a pretty pathetic rivaly. As Steeler fans, we consider the Ravens and Pats more of rivals today becuase its always a hard hitting and close game. You Browns fans may think playing the Steelers is still a heated rivaly, but the Steelers don't.
Funny, Hines Ward would disagree. "Cleveland and Pittsburgh is a rivalry itself". And he said that leading up to the BALT playoff game. I have to ask, how long have you actually been a Steelers fan?
Masters said:
Funny, Hines Ward would disagree. "Cleveland and Pittsburgh is a rivalry itself". And he said that leading up to the BALT playoff game. I have to ask, how long have you actually been a Steelers fan?Its still considered a rivalry but an abusive relationship better describes its recent history.
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Masters said:
Funny, Hines Ward would disagree. "Cleveland and Pittsburgh is a rivalry itself". And he said that leading up to the BALT playoff game. I have to ask, how long have you actually been a Steelers fan?Its still considered a rivalry but an abusive relationship better describes its recent history.
Its still considered a rivalry but an abusive relationship better describes its recent history.
Recently yes. And in the history of the rivalry, it's been an abusive relationship the other way as well.
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I feel obligated to point out that mz the pussy's sig line and picture creeps me out to a surprising degree.
Dennis
Maybe it's because I went to a Catholic school, but...<shudder>...I need to go lie down.
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I feel obligated to point out that mz the pussy's sig line and picture creeps me out to a surprising degree.
Dennis
Maybe it's because I went to a Catholic school, but...<shudder>...I need to go lie down.
I feel obligated to point out that mz the pussy's sig line and picture creeps me out to a surprising degree.
Dennis
Maybe it's because I went to a Catholic school, but...<shudder>...I need to go lie down.
It is pretty creepy. I went to Catholic school as well and was an alter boy. Fortunately I never had any incidents though.
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I feel obligated to point out that mz the pussy's sig line and picture creeps me out to a surprising degree.
Dennis
Maybe it's because I went to a Catholic school, but...<shudder>...I need to go lie down.
I feel obligated to point out that mz the pussy's sig line and picture creeps me out to a surprising degree.
Dennis
Maybe it's because I went to a Catholic school, but...<shudder>...I need to go lie down.
I agree about the creepiness. I also attended Catholic School for a few years however being a girl did have it's advantages....
I do wonder about that nun who used to want to rub my neck when I said I had a headache though...
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I feel obligated to point out that mz the pussy's sig line and picture creeps me out to a surprising degree.
Dennis
Maybe it's because I went to a Catholic school, but...<shudder>...I need to go lie down.
I agree about the creepiness. I also attended Catholic School for a few years however being a girl did have it's advantages....
I do wonder about that nun who used to want to rub my neck when I said I had a headache though...
I agree about the creepiness. I also attended Catholic School for a few years however being a girl did have it's advantages....
I do wonder about that nun who used to want to rub my neck when I said I had a headache though...
Care to elaborate?
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I agree about the creepiness. I also attended Catholic School for a few years however being a girl did have it's advantages....
I do wonder about that nun who used to want to rub my neck when I said I had a headache though...
Care to elaborate?
AdaM said:
Care to elaborate?Sure. It's actually a funny (now it's funny-it wasn't really funny then) story. I was in a freshman theology class and one day I put my head down because I had a killer headache and the teacher stopped the entire class, shut off the lights and came over to rub my neck. It was horribly embarrassing and my classmates never let me hear the end of it. Let's just say that I never had a headache in that class ever again.
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Rumors have been flying about Squeelers players out partying all night at Tampa area strip clubs. And Big Gay Ben doesn't tip.
Rumors have been flying about Squeelers players out partying all night at Tampa area strip clubs. And Big Gay Ben doesn't tip.
RUMORS... Mike Tomlin isn't one to Piss off.... Beliveland , You guys will Believe anything.
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I feel obligated to point out that mz the pussy's sig line and picture creeps me out to a surprising degree.
Dennis
Maybe it's because I went to a Catholic school, but...<shudder>...I need to go lie down.
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