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  • @mike-h said:

    I think the Browns should sit at four and take whatever QB falls, for what it's worth. After watching more Bortles, I think I'd be ok with any of the top three.

    Teddy looks NFL ready, but it wouldn't be terrible to start with Hoyer.

    I think trading up or down will happen somewhere still, but I agree after watching a lot of Bortles last night.

    Manziel is still intriguing, but I can be happy with any of the three.

    At this point Bortles scares me but I generally agree. The more important question is, who would you take if all three were available?.

  • Im Manziel, Bridgewater, Bortles. To me Manziel has something he does incredibly well while Bridgewater is just good all the way around. Bortles and Carr are really close for 3 and 4.

  • Really? Carr has the better arm and more consistent accuracy. Bortles best trait is his size. Bortles is the better runner, both need work on footwork.

  • If they don't get a QB this draft and improve some in other areas over next year they win 6 to 8 games they wont draft high enough to get a very likely to succeed QB...you gotta pull the trigger this year

  • J jeffinwv

    If they don't get a QB this draft and improve some in other areas over next year they win 6 to 8 games they wont draft high enough to get a very likely to succeed QB...you gotta pull the trigger this year

    @jeffinwv said:

    If they don't get a QB this draft and improve some in other areas over next year they win 6 to 8 games they wont draft high enough to get a very likely to succeed QB...you gotta pull the trigger this year

    fine, let's find our guy in FA then. I prefer the route of building up an offense with a great line to entice elite talent to sign here. In 15 years I just haven't seen it working for us with the draft at that position. It's been painfully bad. If the line had protected Campbell as good as it did Weeden the year before, we probalby would have won the division.

  • So I just read from page 2 of this thread after taking some time off from here due to the whole coaching limbo depressing shit everyone was spewing and focused more on NBA but now I'm back with combine/draft time right around the corner. I've been a Manziel supporter since last year, but, as much as it pains me to say this, I do have to side with Mik's view of this draft, despite how much of a pretentious asshole he is. If we do take a QB this year I'd prefer it to be Manziel as I'm not big on Bridgewater and I don't believe we have the personnel (strong run game) to allow Bortles to flourish in his first couple of years (ala Big Ben.)

    I'd rather attempt to get a deal in place to where if Clowney isn't there at 4 we can trade down with another team for their 1st rounder while also picking up another 1st rounder next year to allow us to fill out our team completely and then having all the ammo necessary (if needed) to draft a Winston or Hundley next year. Granted I think both will need a legit running game to succeed off the bat but we can make that happen if we draft correctly this year. While I might have an opinion on QB I won't pretend I have even the slightest clue as to what guard or tackle should be taken in this year's draft although I know enough to know both are needed (TCPO you seem to be the go to guy on these types of queries.) Obviously a RB or two would be needed as well.

    We have enough talent to compete, with the right QB, next year but one more year of stocking talent and having the ammo to move where ever is needed to pick our QB of choice next year would set us up for sustained success.

    Granted, worst case I can fall back on my Thunder or Cardinals (baseball) so I might not have as much riding on the Browns success as my sports salvation as most Clevelander's/ Ex-Clevelander's here, so I can think in more of a long term type of thinking. However both of those franchises have taken a long term view approach in their player development and it's worked out pretty well for both. They might not have won it all last year, but they've been in the thick of it.

    (Oh and where's my where's my mid season credit for dominating our fantasy basketball league so far this year? I've punted FT% and TO and still am sporting a 7 point lead. Plus Zombo I think you owe me for that Drummond for Calderon trade. You've moved up from about 10th to 5th since that trade.)

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  • T Taco918

    So I just read from page 2 of this thread after taking some time off from here due to the whole coaching limbo depressing shit everyone was spewing and focused more on NBA but now I'm back with combine/draft time right around the corner. I've been a Manziel supporter since last year, but, as much as it pains me to say this, I do have to side with Mik's view of this draft, despite how much of a pretentious asshole he is. If we do take a QB this year I'd prefer it to be Manziel as I'm not big on Bridgewater and I don't believe we have the personnel (strong run game) to allow Bortles to flourish in his first couple of years (ala Big Ben.)

    I'd rather attempt to get a deal in place to where if Clowney isn't there at 4 we can trade down with another team for their 1st rounder while also picking up another 1st rounder next year to allow us to fill out our team completely and then having all the ammo necessary (if needed) to draft a Winston or Hundley next year. Granted I think both will need a legit running game to succeed off the bat but we can make that happen if we draft correctly this year. While I might have an opinion on QB I won't pretend I have even the slightest clue as to what guard or tackle should be taken in this year's draft although I know enough to know both are needed (TCPO you seem to be the go to guy on these types of queries.) Obviously a RB or two would be needed as well.

    We have enough talent to compete, with the right QB, next year but one more year of stocking talent and having the ammo to move where ever is needed to pick our QB of choice next year would set us up for sustained success.

    Granted, worst case I can fall back on my Thunder or Cardinals (baseball) so I might not have as much riding on the Browns success as my sports salvation as most Clevelander's/ Ex-Clevelander's here, so I can think in more of a long term type of thinking. However both of those franchises have taken a long term view approach in their player development and it's worked out pretty well for both. They might not have won it all last year, but they've been in the thick of it.

    (Oh and where's my where's my mid season credit for dominating our fantasy basketball league so far this year? I've punted FT% and TO and still am sporting a 7 point lead. Plus Zombo I think you owe me for that Drummond for Calderon trade. You've moved up from about 10th to 5th since that trade.)

    @taco918 said:

    Plus Zombo I think you owe me for that Drummond for Calderon trade. You've moved up from about 10th to 5th since that trade.)

    That's you?

    Every year I make one trade that looks benign on the surface but really helps my team (Baseball and Basketball leagues). I REALLY needed to start getting some shot blocks from my big men or I would stay in the cellar.

    The only surprise about at the trade was that Rich4Eagle didn't didn't bitch about it and/or make fun of it. That kinda worried me.

    Zombo

  • T Taco918

    So I just read from page 2 of this thread after taking some time off from here due to the whole coaching limbo depressing shit everyone was spewing and focused more on NBA but now I'm back with combine/draft time right around the corner. I've been a Manziel supporter since last year, but, as much as it pains me to say this, I do have to side with Mik's view of this draft, despite how much of a pretentious asshole he is. If we do take a QB this year I'd prefer it to be Manziel as I'm not big on Bridgewater and I don't believe we have the personnel (strong run game) to allow Bortles to flourish in his first couple of years (ala Big Ben.)

    I'd rather attempt to get a deal in place to where if Clowney isn't there at 4 we can trade down with another team for their 1st rounder while also picking up another 1st rounder next year to allow us to fill out our team completely and then having all the ammo necessary (if needed) to draft a Winston or Hundley next year. Granted I think both will need a legit running game to succeed off the bat but we can make that happen if we draft correctly this year. While I might have an opinion on QB I won't pretend I have even the slightest clue as to what guard or tackle should be taken in this year's draft although I know enough to know both are needed (TCPO you seem to be the go to guy on these types of queries.) Obviously a RB or two would be needed as well.

    We have enough talent to compete, with the right QB, next year but one more year of stocking talent and having the ammo to move where ever is needed to pick our QB of choice next year would set us up for sustained success.

    Granted, worst case I can fall back on my Thunder or Cardinals (baseball) so I might not have as much riding on the Browns success as my sports salvation as most Clevelander's/ Ex-Clevelander's here, so I can think in more of a long term type of thinking. However both of those franchises have taken a long term view approach in their player development and it's worked out pretty well for both. They might not have won it all last year, but they've been in the thick of it.

    (Oh and where's my where's my mid season credit for dominating our fantasy basketball league so far this year? I've punted FT% and TO and still am sporting a 7 point lead. Plus Zombo I think you owe me for that Drummond for Calderon trade. You've moved up from about 10th to 5th since that trade.)

    @taco918 said:

    So I just read from page 2 of this thread after taking some time off from here due to the whole coaching limbo depressing shit everyone was spewing and focused more on NBA but now I'm back with combine/draft time right around the corner. I've been a Manziel supporter since last year, but, as much as it pains me to say this, I do have to side with Mik's view of this draft, despite how much of a pretentious asshole he is. If we do take a QB this year I'd prefer it to be Manziel as I'm not big on Bridgewater and I don't believe we have the personnel (strong run game) to allow Bortles to flourish in his first couple of years (ala Big Ben.)

    I'd rather attempt to get a deal in place to where if Clowney isn't there at 4 we can trade down with another team for their 1st rounder while also picking up another 1st rounder next year to allow us to fill out our team completely and then having all the ammo necessary (if needed) to draft a Winston or Hundley next year. Granted I think both will need a legit running game to succeed off the bat but we can make that happen if we draft correctly this year. While I might have an opinion on QB I won't pretend I have even the slightest clue as to what guard or tackle should be taken in this year's draft although I know enough to know both are needed (TCPO you seem to be the go to guy on these types of queries.) Obviously a RB or two would be needed as well.

    We have enough talent to compete, with the right QB, next year but one more year of stocking talent and having the ammo to move where ever is needed to pick our QB of choice next year would set us up for sustained success.

    Granted, worst case I can fall back on my Thunder or Cardinals (baseball) so I might not have as much riding on the Browns success as my sports salvation as most Clevelander's/ Ex-Clevelander's here, so I can think in more of a long term type of thinking. However both of those franchises have taken a long term view approach in their player development and it's worked out pretty well for both. They might not have won it all last year, but they've been in the thick of it.

    (Oh and where's my where's my mid season credit for dominating our fantasy basketball league so far this year? I've punted FT% and TO and still am sporting a 7 point lead. Plus Zombo I think you owe me for that Drummond for Calderon trade. You've moved up from about 10th to 5th since that trade.)

    I like your overall assessment. I agree but would only add I would take a 3rd or 4th round flyer on a QB in this draft. I think there are some nice gambles that will be available in those rounds in guys like Garopollo or Mettenberger.

  • 6'1" my a@@.

    Dude measured at 5'11"

    Bortles was measured TALLER than what he was listed.

    I rather have a guy be upfront about things then lie..

  • DO NOT DRAFT THIS GUY.

    IT'S GOING TO SET US BACK FOR YEARS AGAIN!

    GO Bridgewater or Bortle.

  • Rumor going around that his dad didnt stop growing till 25. His hands are a half inch bigger than Bortles and he wears size 15 shoes. Theres a real possibility he grows 2 more inches.

  • Flyin JF Flyin J

    Rumor going around that his dad didnt stop growing till 25. His hands are a half inch bigger than Bortles and he wears size 15 shoes. Theres a real possibility he grows 2 more inches.

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    Rumor going around that his dad didnt stop growing till 25. His hands are a half inch bigger than Bortles and he wears size 15 shoes. Theres a real possibility he grows 2 more inches.

    hahaha.

    You got to be kidding me?!?!?!

  • There's a rumor going around that his great grandpappy could eat an entire deer without chewing. There's a real possibility he's part snake.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
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  • Lol at milde using the duke game as an example for analysis.

    Duke? Really? Lol.....

    Each guy has things they do well....things they need to work on. Depends simply on the fit with our offense.

    But to prop up Jff against duke? Gotta be the weakest pro Jonny argument I've seen....

  • browns need to draft Johnny Manziel. they will win the Super Bowl with him no doubt - check out the link.

    http://www.chatsports.com/cleveland-browns/a/Why-Johnny-Manziel-Will-Lead-the-Cleveland-Browns-to-the-Super-Bowl-Next-Year-10-27-543

  • M michkid27

    browns need to draft Johnny Manziel. they will win the Super Bowl with him no doubt - check out the link.

    http://www.chatsports.com/cleveland-browns/a/Why-Johnny-Manziel-Will-Lead-the-Cleveland-Browns-to-the-Super-Bowl-Next-Year-10-27-543

    @michkid27 said:

    browns need to draft Johnny Manziel. they will win the Super Bowl with him no doubt - check out the link.

    http://www.chatsports.com/cleveland-browns/a/Why-Johnny-Manziel-Will-Lead-the-Cleveland-Browns-to-the-Super-Bowl-Next-Year-10-27-543

    Just keep it in one thread, Michigan homo.

    Zombo

  • Browns fans had to suffer watching "Bryan Hoyer" lmao. Might have been a good read but i stopped after reading that. 1. Bryan Hoyer is spelled Brian Hoyer and 2. watching him win 2 games was not suffering. Whats the deal with all these Manziel fanboys? They can't talk about the almighty Manziel without putting down Hoyer like he's going to keep us from drafting a qb. I don't like when people talk about my Browns players that don't deserve it. Talk about Weedone and Little all ya want. If we draft Manziel all you fanboys better hope we have Hoyer cause Johnny Streetball needs to watch and learn for a lil bit.

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  • http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cleveland-browns-quot-short-quot-johnny-manziel-wins-183000324--nfl.html

    Kid loves the game. We'll see how it all plays out. I'm still guessing the best play for him is

    Texas or another southern team.

  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    There's a rumor going around that his great grandpappy could eat an entire deer without chewing. There's a real possibility he's part snake.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    There's a rumor going around that his great grandpappy could eat an entire deer without chewing. There's a real possibility he's part snake.

    Grandpa Brasky.

  • talk shit...old man.I cant stand that POS! Trying to down Manziel...I hope he kills your team one day.thinks hes a great GM..he picked up Peyton...wow!!! you saw what know other GM did old man.

    keep taking all you doubters...

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