Adam Schefter on DA
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Sev, glad to see you have some new facts to add. You know, the "legitimate" TD's argument.
Explain again why we should "bet" the franchise on the worst rated passer in the NFL and why its illogical to contemplate cashing him in for other areas of need if possible?
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It's not a bad move for CLE to trade DA, if they can also get a vet back up, in case Quinn doesn't work. What did ATL go into last year with behind Ryan.
You talk about DA, but quickly fail to mention what he did over his last 16 starts. 12TD to 10 INT the second 8 games in 2007 and in 8 starts in 2008 9 TDs and 7 INTs (or 21TDs to 15INTs, an average QB rating of 73, and 17 sacks). Not so shiny anymore now is it? You can just as likely get that out of Quinn. That is essentially what CLE got out of Frye over his last 16 starts.
If you want to go apples to apples (or as close as you can), DA first 3 career starts (w/ no injury) had 3TDs and 7 INTs and an average QB rating of 59. Quinn's first 3 career starts (only 1 healthy and pulled in the 3rd) 2 TDs and 2 INTs, and an average QB rating of 50. When talking at the level of play, it's a wash.
Brady had 1 healthy start in a meaningful game. What did he do? Post the highest ever 1st start QB rating for a Browns QB. Not to mention CLE isn't talking about a 6th round draft choice here. He is far more likely to succeed and work out than DA. The history of QBs backs that up. It's playing the odds. CLE needs picks and to move forward. Anyone who has watched DA (including non-Browns fans or ND fans) have seen DA for what he is. He's what a team would want as a solid backup QB in the NFL. CLE sure as heck can't pay him his current contract for that service.
Tons of other threads about CLE and the draft, yet only here do you peak in. Par for the course. BQ backers got nothing on DA backers. They aren't singularly obsessed about one CLE player.
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And yeah, the 2 TDs in his one actual healthy game out of 3 real starts weren't legit
Preseason? You're talking about preseason? When backing DA? Come on now. You don't even want to go to DA's preseason showings in the past.
I am sure you will pull the dropping balls and no Stallworth excuse for DA this year. Well, if you gonna do that, then you got to afford Quinn the same excuse for preseason. Seeing as how he was w/o Edwards and mainly still played with B team on O at the skill positions.
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The only problem I see with the trade to Detroit, other than proper compensation, is the Scott Mitchell factor. Detroits fans understand what I mean. Maybe there front office has forgotten....fingers crossed.
The only problem I see with the trade to Detroit, other than proper compensation, is the Scott Mitchell factor. Detroits fans understand what I mean. Maybe there front office has forgotten....fingers crossed.
Let's hope. Funny thing is, there are a lot of similarities between Scott Mitchell and DA.
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The only problem I see with the trade to Detroit, other than proper compensation, is the Scott Mitchell factor. Detroits fans understand what I mean. Maybe there front office has forgotten....fingers crossed.
The only problem I see with the trade to Detroit, other than proper compensation, is the Scott Mitchell factor. Detroits fans understand what I mean. Maybe there front office has forgotten....fingers crossed.
You are right. I don't see a chance of DA going to Detroit. They already have a stable of average backup type QBs. They are looking for a franchise QB and IMO they will take one with the first choice in the draft.
I wish Gruden was still at Tampa Bay. He never saw a QB he didn't like. That being said, Lions TB, Minn, San Fran and the Jets need to come away from the draft with a QB.
Personally, I think we open the season with DA as a backup to Quinn because he is goning to cost us too much to get rid of.
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The best defensive response of changing the focus of my argument that BQ has not shown anything in enough sample games is to pick on any particular percieved weaknesses with DA.
So let me get this straight a hundred million dollar plus franchise that is without any real quality backup bets everything on a high draft pick that did not perform well in preseason and really not well in the THREE games against shoddy defenses. So we dont have any backup position as the season tanked totally once DA was benched and both BQ and DA were out..... No backups worth anything and a kid who has played 3 games in the most difficult position to fill in the game. Trade a guy who can at least step in IF BQ fails for more PROSPECTIVE talent.
That makes perfect sense. I suppose you can try to make the money argument of why we should trade DA.... Only that is a failed line of logic because BQ held out and shot himself in the foot and is paid backup money and we have to pay DA regardless.
No backups and a 3 game sample against terrible defenses, no financial reasons really so yes we should trade a qb who did has thrown over 40 tds in 1.5 seasons... qbs like that grow on trees evidently. Makes perfect sense.
You guys are right bet the farm and our backup on a 3 game sample when contracts and money dont even put any pressure next year anyways at the qb position. that sounds like reasonable logic to me.
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OSU, can you say "shipping Charlie Frye out of town for DA"? Same case. Everything you said at the begining of you post could have been said about CLE turning over the reigns to DA after week 1 in the 2007 season. Except if CLE gets rid of DA before training camp, there are plenty of back up QBs that will be available, who have experience and get you similar production to what DA really has shown to give.
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wait a minute masters you are saying their are PLENTY of back up qbs who can throw 20+ tds a year? really? STARTERs dont always do that.... plenty of backups? wow. you and I must see completely differently than what is available on the open market either thru trade or free agency. Franchises who pay out blackmail 1st round draft pick crazy money on the hope and dream that it MIGHT pan out must just be doing that because they like to ignore the bunches of backups who toss that many tds a year....
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wait a minute masters you are saying their are PLENTY of back up qbs who can throw 20+ tds a year? really? STARTERs dont always do that.... plenty of backups? wow. you and I must see completely differently than what is available on the open market either thru trade or free agency. Franchises who pay out blackmail 1st round draft pick crazy money on the hope and dream that it MIGHT pan out must just be doing that because they like to ignore the bunches of backups who toss that many tds a year....
wait a minute masters you are saying their are PLENTY of back up qbs who can throw 20+ tds a year? really? STARTERs dont always do that.... plenty of backups? wow. you and I must see completely differently than what is available on the open market either thru trade or free agency. Franchises who pay out blackmail 1st round draft pick crazy money on the hope and dream that it MIGHT pan out must just be doing that because they like to ignore the bunches of backups who toss that many tds a year....
DA has done that ONCE (with most coming in his first 8 starts of that season before teams started playing 3 deep on him)! I am talking the over all consistancy and play you actually get out of DA over the course of his 20+ career starts. Jeff Garcia once threw for 32 and 31 TDs in a season.
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Dumbass.
If DA continued to play on the level he did in '07 he would still be the starter.
Get off Lum's nuts already.
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ok... lets put all of our eggs into the 3 games BQ played in.... that makes perfect sense. risk/reward ratio that your line of logic uses must make you rich out in Vegas.
Lets keep talking about trading DA for a 3 game sample player who is getting paid backup money... Injuries in the nfl derailing a team never happens and backups who toss 29 tds in a season grow on trees. hundred plus million dollar franchise should do what you pro BQ geniuses want in order to trade on MORE PROSPECTIVE talent. All so you individually can feel the team has moved on because of some draft hype that has yet to prove itself.
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DA will never be a good fit for the browns. It's just not going to happen. He needs to GTFO, like you.
We, and the front office, have made the decision to go with BQ and see what he has. DA's story is done. Why would we want to keep him around as a backup when he A) will be miserable.
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if the texans gave away the tenth overall draft pick for matt schaub (a guy who had never won a game as a starter) a couple years ago, then the browns should definitely be able to get at least a second round pick. this is ridiculous, his value should be way higher.
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Sev, the DA experiment is OVER. Get it through your thick skull. He's done here. Will he go somewhere else and succeed? Possible, but unlikely.
Is Quinn experiment is about to begin. If he sucks, then we need a QB. That would be true even if DA were here. Why can't you see that?
Why the hell you want to see more of the worst rated passer in the NFL last year is beyond me. Just that blind hatred of anything smelling of a first round QB coming from ND I guess. Unreal.
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ok... lets put all of our eggs into the 3 games BQ played in.... that makes perfect sense. risk/reward ratio that your line of logic uses must make you rich out in Vegas.
Lets keep talking about trading DA for a 3 game sample player who is getting paid backup money... Injuries in the nfl derailing a team never happens and backups who toss 29 tds in a season grow on trees. hundred plus million dollar franchise should do what you pro BQ geniuses want in order to trade on MORE PROSPECTIVE talent. All so you individually can feel the team has moved on because of some draft hype that has yet to prove itself.
ok... lets put all of our eggs into the 3 games BQ played in.... that makes perfect sense. risk/reward ratio that your line of logic uses must make you rich out in Vegas.
Lets keep talking about trading DA for a 3 game sample player who is getting paid backup money... Injuries in the nfl derailing a team never happens and backups who toss 29 tds in a season grow on trees. hundred plus million dollar franchise should do what you pro BQ geniuses want in order to trade on MORE PROSPECTIVE talent. All so you individually can feel the team has moved on because of some draft hype that has yet to prove itself.
Let's keep DA as a back up, but pay him starter money after seeing over his 20+ starts he has back up performance, when the team needs draft picks and other needs. Again, as I said, CLE goes out and gets an experienced back up in case BQ fails. Yeah, it's risk reward. Just like ATL and BALT last year. Or any other team that decides to move forward with its 1st round draft pick QB. What does keeping DA gain CLE? Other than an experience backup (which can be found on the open market)?
If Quinn starts, he ain't paid backup money. He has incentive clauses all through his contract.
You can keep hanging on to those 29TDs. But last I checked, the vast majority of that happened in SEPT-NOV of 2007. You know who else once threw 29TDs in a season, Jeff George and Scott Mitchell. It is a what have you done lately league. What DA has done since D's got 8 games of film on him is be QB whose only consistancy is that he consistantly can't hit a pass under 20 yards. And he can no longer hit over 20 yards because teams play 3 deep on him (but he'll still try and throw it).
What you don't get is this really isn't about Brady Quinn. It's about DA. Enough has been seen of him to know he is not the long term answer for CLE. If CLE can at least get some extra picks out of trading him, then they should. You don't keep a guy around when you know he isn't your answer. At least not for the money he is being paid. The only people hung up on just Quinn and DA are you and Lum. Hence why neither of you ever post in threads that have to do with the CLEVELAND BROWNS and not just who the QB of the CLEVELAND BROWNS is.
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the front office has made that choice? You mean the one that has completely changed and was just hired? you must really be wired in.
masters you obviously dont remember BQ's contract and the first 2 years playing time was critical...yes he is getting paid backup money.
This"experiment" is not over... I dont mind BQ starting next year and earning this rabid fan support, and greythan I happen to like players after THEY EARN IT ON THE FIELD. I want the best for the Browns and I am sure the rabid Cardinal fans who were all about Leinert are pretty happy they had a backup..... kind of like Tennessee......or even the Patriots... etc, I happen to like Backup plans.
As for DA state of mind he needs to look at all of the examples of other qbs who were relegated to backup without fans support for draftees and deal with it... Its a job and he needs to be professional and objective. Hopefully the new staff will remind him of that. DA is young and financially set he will get his chance again, getting traded to another rebuilding team may be it but we are on the cusp of being competitive.
No masters this is not about DA... because IF BQ would have put up the same numbers and results his first year he would be a GOD here. This is all about fans perception nothing more. IF BQ had BE dropping tds and Lewis and the O line as well as O coordinator not producing BQ who is about the same relative age would be given the whole he is young and its his surrounding cast thats the problem.
Remember the "cockpit" theory... yea great cockpit that BQ failed in two games in a row and threw ONE pass over ten yards against a horrible pass D. Keep talking about trading and risking everything on those 3 games as the "best" thing for the Browns and How I am not a Cleveland browns TEAM fan. Sorry if I like to have a competent backup we already have signed and paid and knows the players in case BQ gets hurts or fails. Yea I know trade him for more PROSPECTIVE talent because that would be best for the TEAM. Genius logic.
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the front office has made that choice? You mean the one that has completely changed and was just hired? you must really be wired in.
masters you obviously dont remember BQ's contract and the first 2 years playing time was critical...yes he is getting paid backup money.
This"experiment" is not over... I dont mind BQ starting next year and earning this rabid fan support, and greythan I happen to like players after THEY EARN IT ON THE FIELD. I want the best for the Browns and I am sure the rabid Cardinal fans who were all about Leinert are pretty happy they had a backup..... kind of like Tennessee......or even the Patriots... etc, I happen to like Backup plans.
As for DA state of mind he needs to look at all of the examples of other qbs who were relegated to backup without fans support for draftees and deal with it... Its a job and he needs to be professional and objective. Hopefully the new staff will remind him of that. DA is young and financially set he will get his chance again, getting traded to another rebuilding team may be it but we are on the cusp of being competitive.
No masters this is not about DA... because IF BQ would have put up the same numbers and results his first year he would be a GOD here. This is all about fans perception nothing more. IF BQ had BE dropping tds and Lewis and the O line as well as O coordinator not producing BQ who is about the same relative age would be given the whole he is young and its his surrounding cast thats the problem.
Remember the "cockpit" theory... yea great cockpit that BQ failed in two games in a row and threw ONE pass over ten yards against a horrible pass D. Keep talking about trading and risking everything on those 3 games as the "best" thing for the Browns and How I am not a Cleveland browns TEAM fan. Sorry if I like to have a competent backup we already have signed and paid and knows the players in case BQ gets hurts or fails. Yea I know trade him for more PROSPECTIVE talent because that would be best for the TEAM. Genius logic.
No masters this is not about DA... because IF BQ would have put up the same numbers and results his first year he would be a GOD here. This is all about fans perception nothing more. IF BQ had BE dropping tds and Lewis and the O line as well as O coordinator not producing BQ who is about the same relative age would be given the whole he is young and its his surrounding cast thats the problem.
Um, BQ did have those same guys for him now didn't he. So DA gets those as excuses and Quinn just gets "played bad in preseason, and bad in his two unhealthy starts". I see.
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