Hate The Thought Of Trading Up
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
IMO if we hit on a QB its worth every pick we have....
You are probably right if we hit on an instantly elite quarterback. You have to bold , capitalize and underline the word IF though. It has been our intention multiple times but didn't happen. Even with the most in depth scouting there is still a huge luck and unknown factor to translate them to the NFL.
If you trade a lot of top tier picks and get it wrong it sets you back years.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
IMO if we hit on a QB its worth every pick we have....
You are probably right if we hit on an instantly elite quarterback. You have to bold , capitalize and underline the word IF though. It has been our intention multiple times but didn't happen. Even with the most in depth scouting there is still a huge luck and unknown factor to translate them to the NFL.
If you trade a lot of top tier picks and get it wrong it sets you back years.
I guess I meant finding a QB is invaluable. You cant lut a price on it. Looking at plain ol luck and numbers, a QB in the top 10 has like a 35% chance of being a good QB, it drops to like 2 or 3% in the second round. Yeah lets keep waiting for value....You are probably right if we hit on an instantly elite quarterback. You have to bold , capitalize and underline the word IF though. It has been our intention multiple times but didn't happen. Even with the most in depth scouting there is still a huge luck and unknown factor to translate them to the NFL.
If you trade a lot of top tier picks and get it wrong it sets you back years.
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I guess I meant finding a QB is invaluable. You cant lut a price on it. Looking at plain ol luck and numbers, a QB in the top 10 has like a 35% chance of being a good QB, it drops to like 2 or 3% in the second round. Yeah lets keep waiting for value....You are probably right if we hit on an instantly elite quarterback. You have to bold , capitalize and underline the word IF though. It has been our intention multiple times but didn't happen. Even with the most in depth scouting there is still a huge luck and unknown factor to translate them to the NFL.
If you trade a lot of top tier picks and get it wrong it sets you back years.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I guess I meant finding a QB is invaluable. You cant lut a price on it. Looking at plain ol luck and numbers, a QB in the top 10 has like a 35% chance of being a good QB, it drops to like 2 or 3% in the second round. Yeah lets keep waiting for value....
That being said, do the numbers change that dramatically from pick 1 to pick 3-5?
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I guess I meant finding a QB is invaluable. You cant lut a price on it. Looking at plain ol luck and numbers, a QB in the top 10 has like a 35% chance of being a good QB, it drops to like 2 or 3% in the second round. Yeah lets keep waiting for value....
That being said, do the numbers change that dramatically from pick 1 to pick 3-5?
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Just watched a clip on NFL.com about the Browns giving away picks to Houston to grab a QB .....WTF stay where we are .....Texans are grabbing Clowney, Rams are going O Line, Jags will take 1 of the QBs we take one of the others .....on NFL network they want The Browns to give up 4, 26 and 35 to move up to the number 1 spot .....Fuck that .....lets hope we now have sense in the FO ....we just got rid of the buffoons
Just watched a clip on NFL.com about the Browns giving away picks to Houston to grab a QB .....WTF stay where we are .....Texans are grabbing Clowney, Rams are going O Line, Jags will take 1 of the QBs we take one of the others .....on NFL network they want The Browns to give up 4, 26 and 35 to move up to the number 1 spot .....Fuck that .....lets hope we now have sense in the FO ....we just got rid of the buffoons
Exactly- none of the qbs in this draft have ever been touted as "can't miss" Andrew Luck level talent- it would be foolhardy to trade that much away on a risky proposition. Sit at #4 and take the best available. We are guaranteed a stud there, and give away nothing.
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Just watched a clip on NFL.com about the Browns giving away picks to Houston to grab a QB .....WTF stay where we are .....Texans are grabbing Clowney, Rams are going O Line, Jags will take 1 of the QBs we take one of the others .....on NFL network they want The Browns to give up 4, 26 and 35 to move up to the number 1 spot .....Fuck that .....lets hope we now have sense in the FO ....we just got rid of the buffoons
Exactly- none of the qbs in this draft have ever been touted as "can't miss" Andrew Luck level talent- it would be foolhardy to trade that much away on a risky proposition. Sit at #4 and take the best available. We are guaranteed a stud there, and give away nothing.
Exactly- none of the qbs in this draft have ever been touted as "can't miss" Andrew Luck level talent- it would be foolhardy to trade that much away on a risky proposition. Sit at #4 and take the best available. We are guaranteed a stud there, and give away nothing.
If anyone was Houston would almost certainly keep that #1 pick.
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Just watched a clip on NFL.com about the Browns giving away picks to Houston to grab a QB .....WTF stay where we are .....Texans are grabbing Clowney, Rams are going O Line, Jags will take 1 of the QBs we take one of the others .....on NFL network they want The Browns to give up 4, 26 and 35 to move up to the number 1 spot .....Fuck that .....lets hope we now have sense in the FO ....we just got rid of the buffoons
Exactly- none of the qbs in this draft have ever been touted as "can't miss" Andrew Luck level talent- it would be foolhardy to trade that much away on a risky proposition. Sit at #4 and take the best available. We are guaranteed a stud there, and give away nothing.
If there was a cant miss talent, there would never be an opourtunity to trade up, and if for some reason there was, you would complain about the price. The Colts traded 3-4 years of Peyton Manning for Luck.Exactly- none of the qbs in this draft have ever been touted as "can't miss" Andrew Luck level talent- it would be foolhardy to trade that much away on a risky proposition. Sit at #4 and take the best available. We are guaranteed a stud there, and give away nothing.
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I just hate the thought of all this draft speculation for the next 43 days, its crazy.
I still say stand pat, no trades and we'll be fine.
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trade down. this draft is so deep you can rake in talent at any position. adding another pick gives us the opportunity to move back into the teens in the first round.
pick 7th and 15th. what's wrong with that?
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trade down. this draft is so deep you can rake in talent at any position. adding another pick gives us the opportunity to move back into the teens in the first round.
pick 7th and 15th. what's wrong with that?
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trade down. this draft is so deep you can rake in talent at any position. adding another pick gives us the opportunity to move back into the teens in the first round.
pick 7th and 15th. what's wrong with that?
trade down. this draft is so deep you can rake in talent at any position. adding another pick gives us the opportunity to move back into the teens in the first round.
pick 7th and 15th. what's wrong with that?
I'd take 7th and 15th over 4 and 26, I don't think that much 1st round movement will happen though. I'd love to get Evans & Dennard as you've been suggesting.
We could probably trade down to 8 if a QB the vikings want is there. I think we have to get above #15 if we want Dennard since I have a feeling Pitt may want him there.
If we get the right deal and swap picks later or maybe move up a round next year I wouldn't be opposed to moving down to #8 or so.
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Would anyone give up, say, next years 1st and our extra third to swap both our firsts for both Rams firsts?
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Would anyone give up, say, next years 1st and our extra third to swap both our firsts for both Rams firsts?
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Would anyone give up, say, next years 1st
a team like the Browns should "never" deal their 1st pick cause it's perennially in the top 5. That being said, that's precisely why someone might give us something good for it. Lols. That's the requisite.....it has to be something really good for us to deal our first pick in any draft.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Would anyone give up, say, next years 1st
a team like the Browns should "never" deal their 1st pick cause it's perennially in the top 5. That being said, that's precisely why someone might give us something good for it. Lols. That's the requisite.....it has to be something really good for us to deal our first pick in any draft.
I would say that would be amazing if they could pull it off. If we do bad enough to pick top 5 again next year, we deserve not to have a 1st round pick....like some kind of excessive waste penalty haha.a team like the Browns should "never" deal their 1st pick cause it's perennially in the top 5. That being said, that's precisely why someone might give us something good for it. Lols. That's the requisite.....it has to be something really good for us to deal our first pick in any draft.
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Would anyone give up, say, next years 1st and our extra third to swap both our firsts for both Rams firsts?
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Would anyone give up, say, next years 1st and our extra third to swap both our firsts for both Rams firsts?
Personally I think that's too much. Certainly not next years first.
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I would say that would be amazing if they could pull it off. If we do bad enough to pick top 5 again next year, we deserve not to have a 1st round pick....like some kind of excessive waste penalty haha.a team like the Browns should "never" deal their 1st pick cause it's perennially in the top 5. That being said, that's precisely why someone might give us something good for it. Lols. That's the requisite.....it has to be something really good for us to deal our first pick in any draft.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I would say that would be amazing if they could pull it off. If we do bad enough to pick top 5 again next year, we deserve not to have a 1st round pick....like some kind of excessive waste penalty haha.
you mean like what the Cavs are dangerously close to pulling off? Fuck that team is a mess too. Fuck, the fucking indians are the best run org in Cleveland.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Would anyone give up, say, next years 1st and our extra third to swap both our firsts for both Rams firsts?
Personally I think that's too much. Certainly not next years first.
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I would not do it. Its an opinion based question so my opinion is that the difference in talent we can select at 2 vs. 4 is negligible. The move from 26 to 13 would be nice but I thinkt he price is to high. There will be a very good football player available at 26.
I still think the better scenario is to trade down to somewhere between 6 and 10 picking up a 2nd round pick and maybe another 4th. With that arsenal of picks we could conceivably end up with 3 picks in the 1st round in a draft ripe with talent. Likely then we could also trade out of one pick in each of the 3rd and 4th rounds moving them to 2nds and 3rd for next year.
I know a lot of you hate the idea of trading down, acquiring a ton of rookies etc but to me this is the best draft for trade downs in a long time. I also fully believe that by May the "top 3" are sliding down the board.
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I would not do it. Its an opinion based question so my opinion is that the difference in talent we can select at 2 vs. 4 is negligible. The move from 26 to 13 would be nice but I thinkt he price is to high. There will be a very good football player available at 26.
I still think the better scenario is to trade down to somewhere between 6 and 10 picking up a 2nd round pick and maybe another 4th. With that arsenal of picks we could conceivably end up with 3 picks in the 1st round in a draft ripe with talent. Likely then we could also trade out of one pick in each of the 3rd and 4th rounds moving them to 2nds and 3rd for next year.
I know a lot of you hate the idea of trading down, acquiring a ton of rookies etc but to me this is the best draft for trade downs in a long time. I also fully believe that by May the "top 3" are sliding down the board.
just a thought really, right now I couldnt say if id do it or not. I still have no interest in trading down. The top 3? The QBs? I have said multiple times I think theres a chance none of em go top 10. With that though, I think theres some freaks at the top. Clowney, Watkins, Robinson, Mack, and Matthews are the gems imo. I expect Clowney and and one of the OL to be gone. I dont want to invest that high in Watkins or Matthews because of their positions. That leaves, Robinson (who I expect to be gone by 4), Mack, or of course QB. I havent seen anything on Gilbert, he may end up in this group also.I would not do it. Its an opinion based question so my opinion is that the difference in talent we can select at 2 vs. 4 is negligible. The move from 26 to 13 would be nice but I thinkt he price is to high. There will be a very good football player available at 26.
I still think the better scenario is to trade down to somewhere between 6 and 10 picking up a 2nd round pick and maybe another 4th. With that arsenal of picks we could conceivably end up with 3 picks in the 1st round in a draft ripe with talent. Likely then we could also trade out of one pick in each of the 3rd and 4th rounds moving them to 2nds and 3rd for next year.
I know a lot of you hate the idea of trading down, acquiring a ton of rookies etc but to me this is the best draft for trade downs in a long time. I also fully believe that by May the "top 3" are sliding down the board.
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