After threats and harassment, NC teen abandons atheist group
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I'm curious, what's the point of the group anyways? What would they do in their meetings and sessions together? What added value does it bring to an educational institution? Maybe a feeling of belonging I guess. It's douchebaggery that she be treated like that by anyone though.
The point of the group is, in my opinion, much like most groups of adolescent kids. To get attention with contrary behavior. By the way after all the pissing and moaning you guys do about cals slanted sources this website is from, what, the He Man deity haters club?
WSS
The point of the group is, in my opinion, much like most groups of adolescent kids. To get attention with contrary behavior. By the way after all the pissing and moaning you guys do about cals slanted sources this website is from, what, the He Man deity haters club?
WSS
While some groups exist that only act to get attention ie. trading bibles for porn in a smut for smut campaign, there's no indication that this is what she was planning on doing with the group. As the leader of a group like this that got national media attention without alienating anyone, both the groups that do act like assholes and people like you who are assuming every atheist club is out to cause trouble really bother me. Being a non-believer in certain areas can be lonely and depressing, creating an environment where you can't be honest with yourself or your peers. It's complete bullshit that you're equating the desire to hang out with like-minded individuals to antisocial behavior. I created the group at a religious school and half of the people who showed up to our meetings were religious, which was great because it actually fostered discussion among the two groups of students instead of it being us, the atheists, vs them, the theists. Many students in my club joined the group in secret, for fear of being disowned by their parents and I'm damn proud to have given these kids a forum to voice their opinions. The majority of these groups are formed to create a safe place where you can be honest about your beliefs without fear of retribution.
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Just a tip from an old hippie. If you are seriously worried about retribution for your beliefs I'd imagine it would be a good idea not to form a club centered around those beliefs and advertise its existence.
Also since I believe that true Christians should expect to take some shit, as it says in the Bible they will, then I'm not going to lose much sleep over the horror that you and your atheist buddies go through on a daily basis.
Also are we talking about groups of people with non traditional add possibly anti social ideas forming together into their own groups where they can empower themselves against regular society? Hey weren't we just talking about the Ku Klux Klan???
WSS
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PS if she were a little bit cuter I might have joined her stupid fucking club if I was a kid!
WSS
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PS if she were a little bit cuter I might have joined her stupid fucking club if I was a kid!
WSS
PS if she were a little bit cuter I might have joined her stupid fucking club if I was a kid!
WSS
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Come on now
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Just a tip from an old hippie. If you are seriously worried about retribution for your beliefs I'd imagine it would be a good idea not to form a club centered around those beliefs and advertise its existence.
Also since I believe that true Christians should expect to take some shit, as it says in the Bible they will, then I'm not going to lose much sleep over the horror that you and your atheist buddies go through on a daily basis.
Also are we talking about groups of people with non traditional add possibly anti social ideas forming together into their own groups where they can empower themselves against regular society? Hey weren't we just talking about the Ku Klux Klan???
WSS
Just a tip from an old hippie. If you are seriously worried about retribution for your beliefs I'd imagine it would be a good idea not to form a club centered around those beliefs and advertise its existence.
Also since I believe that true Christians should expect to take some shit, as it says in the Bible they will, then I'm not going to lose much sleep over the horror that you and your atheist buddies go through on a daily basis.
Also are we talking about groups of people with non traditional add possibly anti social ideas forming together into their own groups where they can empower themselves against regular society? Hey weren't we just talking about the Ku Klux Klan???
WSS
Go ahead and trivialize it, but these are serious issues to some of my peers. Luckily for me, my Catholic parents didn't care too much (my mom was a little upset), but there are people out there whose families would cut off communication if it was known they took part in our meetings. You're just being an asshole. Why does the existence of this group automatically put you on the defensive?
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Does the school have an official religious club? If not take your Athiest club meetings back to Dennys and hot topic and stop being a douche.
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Does the school have an official religious club? If not take your Athiest club meetings back to Dennys and hot topic and stop being a douche.
Does the school have an official religious club? If not take your Athiest club meetings back to Dennys and hot topic and stop being a douche.
They have plenty, and being a religious institution, they have every right to refuse to recognize a club for atheists. That being said, I think it's an anti-academic move that's ultimately bad for the school. I'm more concerned as to why they allow an LGBT group, Islamic groups, Jewish groups, and Campus Democrats while drawing the line for us. Like I said, the group served two purposes - a safe place for secular students and a forum to foster discussion and reduce the stigma that secular and religious students can feel toward each other. They claimed that we were anti-faith, even though half of our members were religious. *shrug*
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Atheism is a direct insult to a religious institute. Would you go to a gay institution and start a straight peoples only club?
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Except his group wasn't atheists only...
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Still I think you're not seeing this very clearly. It's definitely an antagonistic move
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Atheism is a direct insult to a religious institute. Would you go to a gay institution and start a straight peoples only club?
Atheism is a direct insult to a religious institute. Would you go to a gay institution and start a straight peoples only club?
The administrations at DePaul University (Catholic) and California Lutheran University, among other religious institutions would disagree with you as there are recognized secular student orgs at these places. Your example isn't a fair comparison for the reason Woody pointed out.
Anyways, my issue was that WSS immediately went on the defensive and labeled the group as anti-social just because it's an organization for secular students. I don't think that's fair either.
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Still I think you're not seeing this very clearly. It's definitely an antagonistic move
Still I think you're not seeing this very clearly. It's definitely an antagonistic move
No it is not, for the reasons Vapor listed
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If its a religious institution it is antagonism. Why would you choose to go to a religious school anyway when its not difficult to find a liberal arts school probably made up of 80 or more percent athiests? This is just being an assholr to try and prove a point and I have no sympathy for it
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If its a religious institution it is antagonism. Why would you choose to go to a religious school anyway when its not difficult to find a liberal arts school probably made up of 80 or more percent athiests? This is just being an assholr to try and prove a point and I have no sympathy for it
If its a religious institution it is antagonism. Why would you choose to go to a religious school anyway when its not difficult to find a liberal arts school probably made up of 80 or more percent athiests? This is just being an assholr to try and prove a point and I have no sympathy for it
Good discussion. Thanks for bothering to read what I had to say.
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Lol no its not. You honestly think this girl is just trying to be an asshole?
She is also 15, I'm guessing she has no say in where she went to school. Maybe it is the closest school or best school in the area. You don't know each individual situation for why someone that isn't religious is at a religious school.
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I think he's referring to my situation. FYI, I was religious when I first started. That changed as I went through it. As for why I still went there it's because they pay me to conduct research that can impact the field of medicine. Not to mention the friends I've made. I don't hate my alma mater. I just really disagree with the "don't like it, leave it" attitude, and I felt that this group was something the campus community was lacking. Seeing as we had a diverse group that was more active than the majority of groups on campus, I'd say it was a success regardless of what the diocese decided.
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Hopefully you will find the lord again as you mature and go through life's trials.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
I think he's referring to my situation. FYI, I was religious when I first started. That changed as I went through it. As for why I still went there it's because they pay me to conduct research that can impact the field of medicine. Not to mention the friends I've made. I don't hate my alma mater. I just really disagree with the "don't like it, leave it" attitude, and I felt that this group was something the campus community was lacking. Seeing as we had a diverse group that was more active than the majority of groups on campus, I'd say it was a success regardless of what the diocese decided.
I think he's referring to my situation. FYI, I was religious when I first started. That changed as I went through it. As for why I still went there it's because they pay me to conduct research that can impact the field of medicine. Not to mention the friends I've made. I don't hate my alma mater. I just really disagree with the "don't like it, leave it" attitude, and I felt that this group was something the campus community was lacking. Seeing as we had a diverse group that was more active than the majority of groups on campus, I'd say it was a success regardless of what the diocese decided.
No I was referring to her. It just seems like a douchey, attention whore-y, antagonistic thing to do. It's not right to threaten her but I'd definitely call her out as being a self important hipster. Just go to college and you know don't try to make a bunch of waves.
If you went to a school that were super liberal and started a tea party group you'd get nothing but heat and blowback. I'm not sure why she'd expect anything less.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
I think he's referring to my situation. FYI, I was religious when I first started. That changed as I went through it. As for why I still went there it's because they pay me to conduct research that can impact the field of medicine. Not to mention the friends I've made. I don't hate my alma mater. I just really disagree with the "don't like it, leave it" attitude, and I felt that this group was something the campus community was lacking. Seeing as we had a diverse group that was more active than the majority of groups on campus, I'd say it was a success regardless of what the diocese decided.
No I was referring to her. It just seems like a douchey, attention whore-y, antagonistic thing to do. It's not right to threaten her but I'd definitely call her out as being a self important hipster. Just go to college and you know don't try to make a bunch of waves.
If you went to a school that were super liberal and started a tea party group you'd get nothing but heat and blowback. I'm not sure why she'd expect anything less.
No I was referring to her. It just seems like a douchey, attention whore-y, antagonistic thing to do. It's not right to threaten her but I'd definitely call her out as being a self important hipster. Just go to college and you know don't try to make a bunch of waves.
If you went to a school that were super liberal and started a tea party group you'd get nothing but heat and blowback. I'm not sure why she'd expect anything less.
She started the group at a public high school.
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Hopefully you will find the lord again as you mature and go through life's trials.
Hopefully you will find the lord again as you mature and go through life's trials.
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