Hate The Thought Of Trading Up
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In your opinion the odds are great none are blue chippers. In my opinion these top 3 are better prospects than any QBs last year, and possibly next year. Even if we hit on the top WR or LB, theres a chance we pick top 5 again next year. If we hit on the QB were battling for a playoff spot. I think our roster is in the perfect spot to take a gamble on a QB.>>>>>>>>>>>Not upgrading at QB will set us back as much as missing on a guy at 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<<<<<<<<<
But making a bad choice at 4 means we miss out on upgrading the quarterback and getting a good player. And it means we're stuck with the bum for years. And, lots of ands arent there, odds are great against any of the top 3 being blue chip quarterbacks.
Much more than the odds against the top line backer receiver or tackle.
WSS
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
In your opinion the odds are great none are blue chippers. In my opinion these top 3 are better prospects than any QBs last year, and possibly next year. Even if we hit on the top WR or LB, theres a chance we pick top 5 again next year. If we hit on the QB were battling for a playoff spot. I think our roster is in the perfect spot to take a gamble on a QB.
Plueeeeze..... Mariotta and Winston would push any of the qbs your salivating over down to #3 on the list. Hit on a qb? I'm with Mik- we have a guard that sucks (Lauvao),No height at the #2 CB spot, a hole as big as the Grand Canyon @ ILB now that Jackson is gone and Robertson has proven he's a backup at best, no running back to speak of, and an upgrade need @ #2 wr. No guarantees at this point we keep both Mack and Ward either. You think Manziel or anyone else in this draft can overcome that? Especially if Lobotomy was still in charge tossing away draft picks to take a flyer on one of these guys?
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
well were going into year 15 of our rebuild. I think we can afford to use a top 5 pick on a QB....finally.
Not if the FO decides the talent isn't there- Ponder and Gabbert ring any bells? Reaching for need will kill you. Harrington? Leinart? Akilli Smith?
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In your opinion the odds are great none are blue chippers. In my opinion these top 3 are better prospects than any QBs last year, and possibly next year. Even if we hit on the top WR or LB, theres a chance we pick top 5 again next year. If we hit on the QB were battling for a playoff spot. I think our roster is in the perfect spot to take a gamble on a QB.>>>>>>>>>>>Not upgrading at QB will set us back as much as missing on a guy at 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<<<<<<<<<
But making a bad choice at 4 means we miss out on upgrading the quarterback and getting a good player. And it means we're stuck with the bum for years. And, lots of ands arent there, odds are great against any of the top 3 being blue chip quarterbacks.
Much more than the odds against the top line backer receiver or tackle.
WSS
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
In your opinion the odds are great none are blue chippers. In my opinion these top 3 are better prospects than any QBs last year, and possibly next year. Even if we hit on the top WR or LB, theres a chance we pick top 5 again next year. If we hit on the QB were battling for a playoff spot. I think our roster is in the perfect spot to take a gamble on a QB.
you finally get it dabuckeye? it's about opinions here. you say yours is right i say mine is right and we'll never get to agree on it because we are stuck in our ways.
of course RIGHT NOW everyone (analysts and anal fans) have these top 3 guys listed above the 16th pick last year with the first QB being chosen in manuel. but wtf? what does that really mean? in your opinion these 3 guys will turn out better than manuel? you won't know that until 5 years down the road.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
In your opinion the odds are great none are blue chippers. In my opinion these top 3 are better prospects than any QBs last year, and possibly next year. Even if we hit on the top WR or LB, theres a chance we pick top 5 again next year. If we hit on the QB were battling for a playoff spot. I think our roster is in the perfect spot to take a gamble on a QB.
you finally get it dabuckeye? it's about opinions here. you say yours is right i say mine is right and we'll never get to agree on it because we are stuck in our ways.
of course RIGHT NOW everyone (analysts and anal fans) have these top 3 guys listed above the 16th pick last year with the first QB being chosen in manuel. but wtf? what does that really mean? in your opinion these 3 guys will turn out better than manuel? you won't know that until 5 years down the road.
haha, well isnt that why were here? To argue our opinions? When I said that I meant they are better draft prospects.you finally get it dabuckeye? it's about opinions here. you say yours is right i say mine is right and we'll never get to agree on it because we are stuck in our ways.
of course RIGHT NOW everyone (analysts and anal fans) have these top 3 guys listed above the 16th pick last year with the first QB being chosen in manuel. but wtf? what does that really mean? in your opinion these 3 guys will turn out better than manuel? you won't know that until 5 years down the road.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
In your opinion the odds are great none are blue chippers. In my opinion these top 3 are better prospects than any QBs last year, and possibly next year. Even if we hit on the top WR or LB, theres a chance we pick top 5 again next year. If we hit on the QB were battling for a playoff spot. I think our roster is in the perfect spot to take a gamble on a QB.
Plueeeeze..... Mariotta and Winston would push any of the qbs your salivating over down to #3 on the list. Hit on a qb? I'm with Mik- we have a guard that sucks (Lauvao),No height at the #2 CB spot, a hole as big as the Grand Canyon @ ILB now that Jackson is gone and Robertson has proven he's a backup at best, no running back to speak of, and an upgrade need @ #2 wr. No guarantees at this point we keep both Mack and Ward either. You think Manziel or anyone else in this draft can overcome that? Especially if Lobotomy was still in charge tossing away draft picks to take a flyer on one of these guys?
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
well were going into year 15 of our rebuild. I think we can afford to use a top 5 pick on a QB....finally.
Not if the FO decides the talent isn't there- Ponder and Gabbert ring any bells? Reaching for need will kill you. Harrington? Leinart? Akilli Smith?
it depends on what you consider a reach. If youre scouts have a guy at 11-12 on their big board and you take him at 4, I dont consider that a reach. Now if QB goes 1-2-3 and we take Carr 4, even though hes say, 36 on the board, thats a reach. In the grand scheme of things, what does it matter if we take Manziel 4th ot 11th?Plueeeeze..... Mariotta and Winston would push any of the qbs your salivating over down to #3 on the list. Hit on a qb? I'm with Mik- we have a guard that sucks (Lauvao),No height at the #2 CB spot, a hole as big as the Grand Canyon @ ILB now that Jackson is gone and Robertson has proven he's a backup at best, no running back to speak of, and an upgrade need @ #2 wr. No guarantees at this point we keep both Mack and Ward either. You think Manziel or anyone else in this draft can overcome that? Especially if Lobotomy was still in charge tossing away draft picks to take a flyer on one of these guys?
Not if the FO decides the talent isn't there- Ponder and Gabbert ring any bells? Reaching for need will kill you. Harrington? Leinart? Akilli Smith?
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it depends on what you consider a reach. If youre scouts have a guy at 11-12 on their big board and you take him at 4, I dont consider that a reach. Now if QB goes 1-2-3 and we take Carr 4, even though hes say, 36 on the board, thats a reach. In the grand scheme of things, what does it matter if we take Manziel 4th ot 11th?Plueeeeze..... Mariotta and Winston would push any of the qbs your salivating over down to #3 on the list. Hit on a qb? I'm with Mik- we have a guard that sucks (Lauvao),No height at the #2 CB spot, a hole as big as the Grand Canyon @ ILB now that Jackson is gone and Robertson has proven he's a backup at best, no running back to speak of, and an upgrade need @ #2 wr. No guarantees at this point we keep both Mack and Ward either. You think Manziel or anyone else in this draft can overcome that? Especially if Lobotomy was still in charge tossing away draft picks to take a flyer on one of these guys?
Not if the FO decides the talent isn't there- Ponder and Gabbert ring any bells? Reaching for need will kill you. Harrington? Leinart? Akilli Smith?
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
it depends on what you consider a reach. If youre scouts have a guy at 11-12 on their big board and you take him at 4, I dont consider that a reach. Now if QB goes 1-2-3 and we take Carr 4, even though hes say, 36 on the board, thats a reach. In the grand scheme of things, what does it matter if we take Manziel 4th ot 11th?
Because if we take him @ #11, it means we traded down and added at least another second round pick. Actually I wouldn't mind that scenario JF @ #11, a pick at #26, 2 second rounders, and three fourths. Won't happen though, as some douchebag team (I hope it's not the Browns) is going to take him higher than that.Of course a genuine franchise qb is worth a truckload of picks- but as Gips pointed out, they don't come along every year- my bet is this isn't the year. Could any of them be Tannehill good? I don't doubt it. If we trade up they had better be Aaron Rodgers good, or it's not worth it, just ask the Redskins.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
it depends on what you consider a reach. If youre scouts have a guy at 11-12 on their big board and you take him at 4, I dont consider that a reach. Now if QB goes 1-2-3 and we take Carr 4, even though hes say, 36 on the board, thats a reach. In the grand scheme of things, what does it matter if we take Manziel 4th ot 11th?
Because if we take him @ #11, it means we traded down and added at least another second round pick. Actually I wouldn't mind that scenario JF @ #11, a pick at #26, 2 second rounders, and three fourths. Won't happen though, as some douchebag team (I hope it's not the Browns) is going to take him higher than that.Of course a genuine franchise qb is worth a truckload of picks- but as Gips pointed out, they don't come along every year- my bet is this isn't the year. Could any of them be Tannehill good? I don't doubt it. If we trade up they had better be Aaron Rodgers good, or it's not worth it, just ask the Redskins.
well if youre willing to sink the number 11 pick on him, then how can you risk losing your QB? Because if we take him @ #11, it means we traded down and added at least another second round pick. Actually I wouldn't mind that scenario JF @ #11, a pick at #26, 2 second rounders, and three fourths. Won't happen though, as some douchebag team (I hope it's not the Browns) is going to take him higher than that.Of course a genuine franchise qb is worth a truckload of picks- but as Gips pointed out, they don't come along every year- my bet is this isn't the year. Could any of them be Tannehill good? I don't doubt it. If we trade up they had better be Aaron Rodgers good, or it's not worth it, just ask the Redskins.
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well if youre willing to sink the number 11 pick on him, then how can you risk losing your QB? Because if we take him @ #11, it means we traded down and added at least another second round pick. Actually I wouldn't mind that scenario JF @ #11, a pick at #26, 2 second rounders, and three fourths. Won't happen though, as some douchebag team (I hope it's not the Browns) is going to take him higher than that.Of course a genuine franchise qb is worth a truckload of picks- but as Gips pointed out, they don't come along every year- my bet is this isn't the year. Could any of them be Tannehill good? I don't doubt it. If we trade up they had better be Aaron Rodgers good, or it's not worth it, just ask the Redskins.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
well if you're willing to sink the number 11 pick on him (Manziel), then how can you risk losing your QB?
Because he's not "my" quarterback, he's "a" quarterback. @ #11, he's a "value" pick. I'm sure you've heard of it. Johnny Football @ #4? No way Jose. @ #11 with a second round, and maybe a fourth to sweeten the pot? I'm listening. -
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
well if you're willing to sink the number 11 pick on him (Manziel), then how can you risk losing your QB?
Because he's not "my" quarterback, he's "a" quarterback. @ #11, he's a "value" pick. I'm sure you've heard of it. Johnny Football @ #4? No way Jose. @ #11 with a second round, and maybe a fourth to sweeten the pot? I'm listening. Because he's not "my" quarterback, he's "a" quarterback. @ #11, he's a "value" pick. I'm sure you've heard of it. Johnny Football @ #4? No way Jose. @ #11 with a second round, and maybe a fourth to sweeten the pot? I'm listening.I may "consider" listening to an arguement for that. But you would have to convince me that taking manziel is a better value than say Evans or mack (if they are still on the board). Listen I understand the yearning for a high calibre qb for our team. Fuck we all would give our left arm and possibly testicle for one. But lets be realistic: the chances of johnny football, bridges, and bottles being good enough to lead a team that still has major holes to the promise land is pretty skim. So we should fill those goddamn holes and then go bombs away to acquire our savior...
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
well if you're willing to sink the number 11 pick on him (Manziel), then how can you risk losing your QB?
Because he's not "my" quarterback, he's "a" quarterback. @ #11, he's a "value" pick. I'm sure you've heard of it. Johnny Football @ #4? No way Jose. @ #11 with a second round, and maybe a fourth to sweeten the pot? I'm listening. Because he's not "my" quarterback, he's "a" quarterback. @ #11, he's a "value" pick. I'm sure you've heard of it. Johnny Football @ #4? No way Jose. @ #11 with a second round, and maybe a fourth to sweeten the pot? I'm listening.Of course he isn't really a value pic unless he's very successful.
WSS
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
well if you're willing to sink the number 11 pick on him (Manziel), then how can you risk losing your QB?
Because he's not "my" quarterback, he's "a" quarterback. @ #11, he's a "value" pick. I'm sure you've heard of it. Johnny Football @ #4? No way Jose. @ #11 with a second round, and maybe a fourth to sweeten the pot? I'm listening.
Now thats just being greedy, if hes worth the 11th, hes worth the 4th. Pick your guy and get him Farmer. Because he's not "my" quarterback, he's "a" quarterback. @ #11, he's a "value" pick. I'm sure you've heard of it. Johnny Football @ #4? No way Jose. @ #11 with a second round, and maybe a fourth to sweeten the pot? I'm listening.
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