Hate The Thought Of Trading Up
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same here.
to all the people that say "wah! i don't understand the people that don't want a QB wah! wah with our first pick wah!!
doesn't it make sense to have the team QB-ready when we do throw all of our chips on the table? this team is no where near that. our right side of the OL is like running through (for defenders) open barn doors. we don't have a #2 corner, we need another safety, another ILB, we need a RB and a big time WR. so that's 5 holes that need to be filled with NFL ready guys. so maybe we use more than half of the other picks to draft up in certain situations.
giving the ball right now to any of these guys will end up with them being the next tim couch (even though we DO have a LT now).
BUILD THE TEAM!! hand the reigns over to the next pretty boy next year and have hoyer ride it out this year. who knows he might surprise everyone and there is NO reason that you just dismiss a guy because YOU want your boy toy.
will you all applaud when johnny gets plowed into the ground like couch did?
Every team has holes, the QB is the most important hole to fill, we also haev close to 50 million in cap space to address some of thoes holes prior to the draft.
Every team has holes, the QB is the most important hole to fill, we also haev close to 50 million in cap space to address some of thoes holes prior to the draft.
Fine, "IF" some of those holes get filled than we can move around some picks. But I'm really not sure we're gonna be getting a whole lot of FA signings...i really don't, nobody wants to come here. To get people here we have to do things like overpay Baltimore support pieces by 4m or more. ie Kruger. Sure, we'll get people to come here for double their market value. That doesn't work.
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The Colts have to be the most notorious tankers in the history of the NFL.
Think about it, 4 generations 4 top picks on blue chip QBs... Elway,Jeff George,Manning & Luck.
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The Colts have to be the most notorious tankers in the history of the NFL.
Think about it, 4 generations 4 top picks on blue chip QBs... Elway,Jeff George,Manning & Luck.
The Colts have to be the most notorious tankers in the history of the NFL.Think about it, 4 generations 4 top picks on blue chip QBs... Elway,Jeff George,Manning & Luck.
Hey Chris, is this what they call cockney slang?
WSS
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A rebuild is a 4-5 year plan.
That's how Seattle did it...
That's how the Giants did it..
That's how SF is doing it..
That's how Baltimore HAS been doing it..
That's how Steelers HAVE DONE it..
It starts with a SOLID Defense. A top flight Defense wins AWAY PLAYOFF games....
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I really question there being a franchise QB in this draft, so here's what I posted elsewhere.
I don't know about mock drafts, am no expert, & certainly have NO idea what Farmer et al are thinking, BUT here are my thoughts as a Fan both in FA & the draft:
We need a guard (draft or FA), a vet QB (FA), & a CB 6' or taller (few & far between in this draft-maybe FA?).
In the draft, I'll just toss out a few specific names/situations with which I would be pleased to see in Cleveland. As far as players (in no particular order), I feel a few of these could land in Cleveland due to where they may be drafted:
Situation: Either stay at 4 OR trade down (possibly to #8 w/Vikes + their 2nd rounder?). I'm NOT a fan of trading up.
Players: QB: Manziel (but draft another QB (like Murray or Fales)"just in case", Garoppolo, McCarron
WR: M Lee, Cooks, Landry...Benjamin has too many drops & no chance for Watkins with other needs-we have a #1 in Gordon
RB: Mason, Seastrunk, Hyde
LB: K Mack, Skov, Borland
Certainly there are other needs, but I think it's possible, with where our picks are, that we could get 3, maybe even 4 of these guys in Cleveland. Almost as certainly, the experts will laugh at my thoughts/opinions, but that's ok too.We'll know what happens in 71, 72, & 73 days.
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A rebuild is a 4-5 year plan.
That's how Seattle did it...
That's how the Giants did it..
That's how SF is doing it..
That's how Baltimore HAS been doing it..
That's how Steelers HAVE DONE it..
It starts with a SOLID Defense. A top flight Defense wins AWAY PLAYOFF games....
well were going into year 15 of our rebuild. I think we can afford to use a top 5 pick on a QB....finally.A rebuild is a 4-5 year plan.
That's how Seattle did it...
That's how the Giants did it..
That's how SF is doing it..
That's how Baltimore HAS been doing it..
That's how Steelers HAVE DONE it..
It starts with a SOLID Defense. A top flight Defense wins AWAY PLAYOFF games....
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A rebuild is a 4-5 year plan.
That's how Seattle did it...
That's how the Giants did it..
That's how SF is doing it..
That's how Baltimore HAS been doing it..
That's how Steelers HAVE DONE it..
It starts with a SOLID Defense. A top flight Defense wins AWAY PLAYOFF games....
A rebuild is a 4-5 year plan.
That's how Seattle did it...
That's how the Giants did it..
That's how SF is doing it..
That's how Baltimore HAS been doing it..
That's how Steelers HAVE DONE it..
It starts with a SOLID Defense. A top flight Defense wins AWAY PLAYOFF games....
I want to do it the KC way from worst to first that is what we will be doing this year, worst to first book it.
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A rebuild is a 4-5 year plan.
That's how Seattle did it...
That's how the Giants did it..
That's how SF is doing it..
That's how Baltimore HAS been doing it..
That's how Steelers HAVE DONE it..
It starts with a SOLID Defense. A top flight Defense wins AWAY PLAYOFF games....
I want to do it the KC way from worst to first that is what we will be doing this year, worst to first book it.
I want to do it the KC way from worst to first that is what we will be doing this year, worst to first book it.
you want? don't you think every browns fan would dive on a grenade to get that?
sorry this is real life.
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In your opinion the odds are great none are blue chippers. In my opinion these top 3 are better prospects than any QBs last year, and possibly next year. Even if we hit on the top WR or LB, theres a chance we pick top 5 again next year. If we hit on the QB were battling for a playoff spot. I think our roster is in the perfect spot to take a gamble on a QB.>>>>>>>>>>>Not upgrading at QB will set us back as much as missing on a guy at 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<<<<<<<<<
But making a bad choice at 4 means we miss out on upgrading the quarterback and getting a good player. And it means we're stuck with the bum for years. And, lots of ands arent there, odds are great against any of the top 3 being blue chip quarterbacks.
Much more than the odds against the top line backer receiver or tackle.
WSS
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
In your opinion the odds are great none are blue chippers. In my opinion these top 3 are better prospects than any QBs last year, and possibly next year. Even if we hit on the top WR or LB, theres a chance we pick top 5 again next year. If we hit on the QB were battling for a playoff spot. I think our roster is in the perfect spot to take a gamble on a QB.
Plueeeeze..... Mariotta and Winston would push any of the qbs your salivating over down to #3 on the list. Hit on a qb? I'm with Mik- we have a guard that sucks (Lauvao),No height at the #2 CB spot, a hole as big as the Grand Canyon @ ILB now that Jackson is gone and Robertson has proven he's a backup at best, no running back to speak of, and an upgrade need @ #2 wr. No guarantees at this point we keep both Mack and Ward either. You think Manziel or anyone else in this draft can overcome that? Especially if Lobotomy was still in charge tossing away draft picks to take a flyer on one of these guys?
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
well were going into year 15 of our rebuild. I think we can afford to use a top 5 pick on a QB....finally.
Not if the FO decides the talent isn't there- Ponder and Gabbert ring any bells? Reaching for need will kill you. Harrington? Leinart? Akilli Smith?
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In your opinion the odds are great none are blue chippers. In my opinion these top 3 are better prospects than any QBs last year, and possibly next year. Even if we hit on the top WR or LB, theres a chance we pick top 5 again next year. If we hit on the QB were battling for a playoff spot. I think our roster is in the perfect spot to take a gamble on a QB.>>>>>>>>>>>Not upgrading at QB will set us back as much as missing on a guy at 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<<<<<<<<<
But making a bad choice at 4 means we miss out on upgrading the quarterback and getting a good player. And it means we're stuck with the bum for years. And, lots of ands arent there, odds are great against any of the top 3 being blue chip quarterbacks.
Much more than the odds against the top line backer receiver or tackle.
WSS
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
In your opinion the odds are great none are blue chippers. In my opinion these top 3 are better prospects than any QBs last year, and possibly next year. Even if we hit on the top WR or LB, theres a chance we pick top 5 again next year. If we hit on the QB were battling for a playoff spot. I think our roster is in the perfect spot to take a gamble on a QB.
you finally get it dabuckeye? it's about opinions here. you say yours is right i say mine is right and we'll never get to agree on it because we are stuck in our ways.
of course RIGHT NOW everyone (analysts and anal fans) have these top 3 guys listed above the 16th pick last year with the first QB being chosen in manuel. but wtf? what does that really mean? in your opinion these 3 guys will turn out better than manuel? you won't know that until 5 years down the road.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
In your opinion the odds are great none are blue chippers. In my opinion these top 3 are better prospects than any QBs last year, and possibly next year. Even if we hit on the top WR or LB, theres a chance we pick top 5 again next year. If we hit on the QB were battling for a playoff spot. I think our roster is in the perfect spot to take a gamble on a QB.
you finally get it dabuckeye? it's about opinions here. you say yours is right i say mine is right and we'll never get to agree on it because we are stuck in our ways.
of course RIGHT NOW everyone (analysts and anal fans) have these top 3 guys listed above the 16th pick last year with the first QB being chosen in manuel. but wtf? what does that really mean? in your opinion these 3 guys will turn out better than manuel? you won't know that until 5 years down the road.
haha, well isnt that why were here? To argue our opinions? When I said that I meant they are better draft prospects.you finally get it dabuckeye? it's about opinions here. you say yours is right i say mine is right and we'll never get to agree on it because we are stuck in our ways.
of course RIGHT NOW everyone (analysts and anal fans) have these top 3 guys listed above the 16th pick last year with the first QB being chosen in manuel. but wtf? what does that really mean? in your opinion these 3 guys will turn out better than manuel? you won't know that until 5 years down the road.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
In your opinion the odds are great none are blue chippers. In my opinion these top 3 are better prospects than any QBs last year, and possibly next year. Even if we hit on the top WR or LB, theres a chance we pick top 5 again next year. If we hit on the QB were battling for a playoff spot. I think our roster is in the perfect spot to take a gamble on a QB.
Plueeeeze..... Mariotta and Winston would push any of the qbs your salivating over down to #3 on the list. Hit on a qb? I'm with Mik- we have a guard that sucks (Lauvao),No height at the #2 CB spot, a hole as big as the Grand Canyon @ ILB now that Jackson is gone and Robertson has proven he's a backup at best, no running back to speak of, and an upgrade need @ #2 wr. No guarantees at this point we keep both Mack and Ward either. You think Manziel or anyone else in this draft can overcome that? Especially if Lobotomy was still in charge tossing away draft picks to take a flyer on one of these guys?
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
well were going into year 15 of our rebuild. I think we can afford to use a top 5 pick on a QB....finally.
Not if the FO decides the talent isn't there- Ponder and Gabbert ring any bells? Reaching for need will kill you. Harrington? Leinart? Akilli Smith?
it depends on what you consider a reach. If youre scouts have a guy at 11-12 on their big board and you take him at 4, I dont consider that a reach. Now if QB goes 1-2-3 and we take Carr 4, even though hes say, 36 on the board, thats a reach. In the grand scheme of things, what does it matter if we take Manziel 4th ot 11th?Plueeeeze..... Mariotta and Winston would push any of the qbs your salivating over down to #3 on the list. Hit on a qb? I'm with Mik- we have a guard that sucks (Lauvao),No height at the #2 CB spot, a hole as big as the Grand Canyon @ ILB now that Jackson is gone and Robertson has proven he's a backup at best, no running back to speak of, and an upgrade need @ #2 wr. No guarantees at this point we keep both Mack and Ward either. You think Manziel or anyone else in this draft can overcome that? Especially if Lobotomy was still in charge tossing away draft picks to take a flyer on one of these guys?
Not if the FO decides the talent isn't there- Ponder and Gabbert ring any bells? Reaching for need will kill you. Harrington? Leinart? Akilli Smith?
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it depends on what you consider a reach. If youre scouts have a guy at 11-12 on their big board and you take him at 4, I dont consider that a reach. Now if QB goes 1-2-3 and we take Carr 4, even though hes say, 36 on the board, thats a reach. In the grand scheme of things, what does it matter if we take Manziel 4th ot 11th?Plueeeeze..... Mariotta and Winston would push any of the qbs your salivating over down to #3 on the list. Hit on a qb? I'm with Mik- we have a guard that sucks (Lauvao),No height at the #2 CB spot, a hole as big as the Grand Canyon @ ILB now that Jackson is gone and Robertson has proven he's a backup at best, no running back to speak of, and an upgrade need @ #2 wr. No guarantees at this point we keep both Mack and Ward either. You think Manziel or anyone else in this draft can overcome that? Especially if Lobotomy was still in charge tossing away draft picks to take a flyer on one of these guys?
Not if the FO decides the talent isn't there- Ponder and Gabbert ring any bells? Reaching for need will kill you. Harrington? Leinart? Akilli Smith?
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
it depends on what you consider a reach. If youre scouts have a guy at 11-12 on their big board and you take him at 4, I dont consider that a reach. Now if QB goes 1-2-3 and we take Carr 4, even though hes say, 36 on the board, thats a reach. In the grand scheme of things, what does it matter if we take Manziel 4th ot 11th?
Because if we take him @ #11, it means we traded down and added at least another second round pick. Actually I wouldn't mind that scenario JF @ #11, a pick at #26, 2 second rounders, and three fourths. Won't happen though, as some douchebag team (I hope it's not the Browns) is going to take him higher than that.Of course a genuine franchise qb is worth a truckload of picks- but as Gips pointed out, they don't come along every year- my bet is this isn't the year. Could any of them be Tannehill good? I don't doubt it. If we trade up they had better be Aaron Rodgers good, or it's not worth it, just ask the Redskins.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
it depends on what you consider a reach. If youre scouts have a guy at 11-12 on their big board and you take him at 4, I dont consider that a reach. Now if QB goes 1-2-3 and we take Carr 4, even though hes say, 36 on the board, thats a reach. In the grand scheme of things, what does it matter if we take Manziel 4th ot 11th?
Because if we take him @ #11, it means we traded down and added at least another second round pick. Actually I wouldn't mind that scenario JF @ #11, a pick at #26, 2 second rounders, and three fourths. Won't happen though, as some douchebag team (I hope it's not the Browns) is going to take him higher than that.Of course a genuine franchise qb is worth a truckload of picks- but as Gips pointed out, they don't come along every year- my bet is this isn't the year. Could any of them be Tannehill good? I don't doubt it. If we trade up they had better be Aaron Rodgers good, or it's not worth it, just ask the Redskins.
well if youre willing to sink the number 11 pick on him, then how can you risk losing your QB? Because if we take him @ #11, it means we traded down and added at least another second round pick. Actually I wouldn't mind that scenario JF @ #11, a pick at #26, 2 second rounders, and three fourths. Won't happen though, as some douchebag team (I hope it's not the Browns) is going to take him higher than that.Of course a genuine franchise qb is worth a truckload of picks- but as Gips pointed out, they don't come along every year- my bet is this isn't the year. Could any of them be Tannehill good? I don't doubt it. If we trade up they had better be Aaron Rodgers good, or it's not worth it, just ask the Redskins.
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well if youre willing to sink the number 11 pick on him, then how can you risk losing your QB? Because if we take him @ #11, it means we traded down and added at least another second round pick. Actually I wouldn't mind that scenario JF @ #11, a pick at #26, 2 second rounders, and three fourths. Won't happen though, as some douchebag team (I hope it's not the Browns) is going to take him higher than that.Of course a genuine franchise qb is worth a truckload of picks- but as Gips pointed out, they don't come along every year- my bet is this isn't the year. Could any of them be Tannehill good? I don't doubt it. If we trade up they had better be Aaron Rodgers good, or it's not worth it, just ask the Redskins.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
well if you're willing to sink the number 11 pick on him (Manziel), then how can you risk losing your QB?
Because he's not "my" quarterback, he's "a" quarterback. @ #11, he's a "value" pick. I'm sure you've heard of it. Johnny Football @ #4? No way Jose. @ #11 with a second round, and maybe a fourth to sweeten the pot? I'm listening. -
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
well if you're willing to sink the number 11 pick on him (Manziel), then how can you risk losing your QB?
Because he's not "my" quarterback, he's "a" quarterback. @ #11, he's a "value" pick. I'm sure you've heard of it. Johnny Football @ #4? No way Jose. @ #11 with a second round, and maybe a fourth to sweeten the pot? I'm listening. Because he's not "my" quarterback, he's "a" quarterback. @ #11, he's a "value" pick. I'm sure you've heard of it. Johnny Football @ #4? No way Jose. @ #11 with a second round, and maybe a fourth to sweeten the pot? I'm listening.I may "consider" listening to an arguement for that. But you would have to convince me that taking manziel is a better value than say Evans or mack (if they are still on the board). Listen I understand the yearning for a high calibre qb for our team. Fuck we all would give our left arm and possibly testicle for one. But lets be realistic: the chances of johnny football, bridges, and bottles being good enough to lead a team that still has major holes to the promise land is pretty skim. So we should fill those goddamn holes and then go bombs away to acquire our savior...
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
well if you're willing to sink the number 11 pick on him (Manziel), then how can you risk losing your QB?
Because he's not "my" quarterback, he's "a" quarterback. @ #11, he's a "value" pick. I'm sure you've heard of it. Johnny Football @ #4? No way Jose. @ #11 with a second round, and maybe a fourth to sweeten the pot? I'm listening. Because he's not "my" quarterback, he's "a" quarterback. @ #11, he's a "value" pick. I'm sure you've heard of it. Johnny Football @ #4? No way Jose. @ #11 with a second round, and maybe a fourth to sweeten the pot? I'm listening.Of course he isn't really a value pic unless he's very successful.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
well if you're willing to sink the number 11 pick on him (Manziel), then how can you risk losing your QB?
Because he's not "my" quarterback, he's "a" quarterback. @ #11, he's a "value" pick. I'm sure you've heard of it. Johnny Football @ #4? No way Jose. @ #11 with a second round, and maybe a fourth to sweeten the pot? I'm listening.
Now thats just being greedy, if hes worth the 11th, hes worth the 4th. Pick your guy and get him Farmer. Because he's not "my" quarterback, he's "a" quarterback. @ #11, he's a "value" pick. I'm sure you've heard of it. Johnny Football @ #4? No way Jose. @ #11 with a second round, and maybe a fourth to sweeten the pot? I'm listening.
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