Jonathan Paul Manziel
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They do much better because they play in better systems with better players in College.
There are tons of 'great' players without the college numbers.
There are tons of 'not so good' players with college numbers.
In another word, those college highlights and numbers you see don't mean jack. Physical and mental have higher weight.
Mental has the highest weight.
Physical doesn't come into the question.
Yep. The QB has to be able to play his offense against the defense. Physical ability can make up for some mental restraints, by opening up the D and having the ability to make something out of blown plays. Also, when comparing a pocket passer against a mobile QB, you have to remember that a rush for 5 yds is the same as a 5 yd pass. Now I want to compare the top 3's yards per "touch", and completion percentage with every rush attempt factored in as a pass completion/attempt. Gonna look into this...Mental has the highest weight.
Physical doesn't come into the question.
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jaws is as wrong as kiper mcshay mayock. name me one analyst that hasn't been wrong on a 'sure thing'.
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To whom it may concern.
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/seattle-super-seahawks-one-the-best-ever/28527/
Excerpt:
Here's the truth: balance wins championships. That requires both offensive and defensive efficiency. The Seahawks did that better than any team, ranking first in nine of our 23 Quality Stats. This includes the Mother of All Stats, Passer Rating Differential. By winning Super Bowl XLVIII, the 2013 Seahawks became the 28th champion since 1933 (when the NFL first implemented the Championship Game) to finish first in Passer Rating Differential. Perhaps more notably, 60 of the 81 champions (74.1 percent) finished in the top 4 in PRD. This usually speaks to efficiency on both sides of the ball.
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Manziel's Speed Coach Refutes Jaworski Criticism, Says Manziel Will Play Smart
By Mike Freeman, NFL National Lead Writer
Feb. 27, 2014
Brian Spurlock/USA Today
75.7KReads349CommentsJohnny Manziel's trainer and speed coach, Ryan Flaherty, who many in the NFL view as a secret weapon after he engineered Manziel's surprisingly speedy 4.68-second 40-yard dash at the Indianapolis NFL Scouting Combine, is part genius and part human-body mechanic. More on that in a moment. First, Flaherty is agitated.
ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski recently said perhaps one of the dumbest things anyone has ever said regarding the NFL draft—and that is quite a broad category. Jaworski said he would not draft Manziel in the first three rounds.
Jaworski also said that Manziel wouldn't last a handful of games in the NFL if he plays in the pros the way he did at Texas A&M. This statement obviously didn't sit well with the man who is training Manziel to survive the rigors of pro football.
"Johnny knows he can't play the same way in the NFL that he did in college," Flaherty said.
"When you watch Johnny, he was physical in college—he went after guys he knew he could go after. He would pick and choose guys he got physical with. One guy who tried to tackle him was knocked out.
"But Johnny knows he can't run crazy on the next level. He'll play smart in the NFL. I would also say that any quarterback can get a concussion or hurt from just standing in the pocket. They don't have to be running. The thing about Johnny too is that he uses his quickness to get out of trouble. That quickness helps him stay healthy."
Let me make this clear. Flaherty's opinion was not made in haste. This was not a knee-jerk reaction. Flaherty had felt this way before this week and, most of all, he was simply defending Manziel.
"I don't see how (Jaworski) could actually watch film and say what he says about Johnny. You break down Johnny's film, he puts up huge numbers against the best competition, like Alabama. He did this week in and week out in the SEC. Then you break down Blake Bortles. He had one good year. That was it. Teddy (Bridgewater) played in a really weak conference. He put up his numbers against bad competition.
"Johnny played in the best conference in the country. Add up all of the Alabama and Auburn guys he played against that are in the pros versus the pro guys Bortles or Bridgewater went against."
Michael Conroy/Associated Press
The topic of Manziel on the next level, and if his body can take the NFL beating, is only recently entering the Media Draft Industrial Complex. But Manziel and Flaherty have been preparing for the NFL for a long, long time—and one of the things they have focused on is injury prevention.
Flaherty works at Prolific Athletes and trains a select number of prospects for the combine. NFL team officials say Flaherty has risen to one of the best in the country at what he does simply because his prospects don't just train solely for the combine. They train for life in the NFL.
"A lot of what Johnny and I are working on now is injury prevention," Flaherty explained. "We don't do traditional type lifting. We do things that help to keep him from getting hurt."
This is one of the more interesting parts of the Manziel story. Manziel didn't just train for the combine. His training continues now as you read this, and that training focuses on trying not to become a casualty of injury. They are working on Manziel's sliding, for example, and doing exercises to strengthen muscles above the knee cap and hip, which are important to keep strong because those muscles can prevent injuries.
Flaherty has Manziel do resistance work in three planes: front to back, side to side and then multiple directions.
This helps brace the body for hits and also limits the chance of injury from quickly changing directions.
How did Flaherty get Manziel so fast? Flaherty has worked with Cam Newton and Andrew Luck and says Manziel is one of the best athletes he's ever been around.
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"I don't see how (Jaworski) could actually watch film and say what he says about Johnny. You break down Johnny's film, he puts up huge numbers against the best competition, like Alabama. He did this week in and week out in the SEC. Then you break down Blake Bortles. He had one good year. That was it. Teddy (Bridgewater) played in a really weak conference. He put up his numbers against bad competition.
"Johnny played in the best conference in the country. Add up all of the Alabama and Auburn guys he played against that are in the pros versus the pro guys Bortles or Bridgewater went against."
For some reason, it wouldn't let me quote the post. MY Guy is soooo much better. So what? Colt McCoy played against top competition too, and went nowhere in the pros. Ben Rothlisberger played against inferior competition, ditto Joe Flacco, didn't seem to hurt them much.
@mike-h said:
Good link Die Hard.
Flaherty has a lot to lose from making statements like that. Not sure he would say them if he wasn't confident in them, and just blow smoke.We'll find out in September, won't we Mike? Though it is encouraging to note Johnny Football is aware if he runs like that in the NFL, he's going to get killed.
@walterwhite said:
I hope Manziel tears this league apart just to prove the haters wrong.
And if he lays a major egg? It will prove the haters right. WW, BTW, there's a difference between "hate" and question if the guy is worthy of a top choice in the coming draft. I don't "hate" Manziel, I do question if he's got the playing style to make an impact in the NFL. So yes, I "hate" the idea of drafting him high if that's what you mean.
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he's 13 and gay, that's why he can fling around a word like 'hate' from being a wigga. haters to him are people that 'don't like' people for what they have or who they are.
another example of the misuse of the english language by young thugs.
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Tale of the tape:
Manziel
21 yo
5 '11 207 lb
4.68 Forty
Arm Strength: Can make all of the NFL throws
Accuracy: 68% in the NCAA
Hoyer
28 yo
6'2 215 lb
5.05 Forty
Arm Strength: can make all of the NFL throws
Accuracy: 59% in the NFL
Internship & Influences:
Manziel
2 years starting QB Texas A&M (Kevin Summelin)
Hoyer
4 years Michigan State, 2+ years starting (Mark Dantonio, John Smith)
3 years New England Patriots (Bill Belichick, Tom Brady)
1 year Arizona Cardinals, 1 start (Ken Wisenhut)
1 year Cleveland Browns, 3 starts (Rob Chudzinski, Norv Turner)
Do we want to spend the #4 overall to replace Hoyer with Manziel?
Or do we give Hoyer a year to show what he's got and draft a QB later in the draft that we don't have to commit to right away?
And if you pass on a QB at #4 (for, say, Watkins), then when do you pull the trigger on a QB ... Derek Carr in the second round? Or take a stab at 4th or 5th rounder and draft a QB high in 2015 if Hoyer doesn't pan out?
Critical decision for Farmer & Pettine.
Zombo
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I have almost 100% percent confidence in them... that they will find a way to fuck it up.
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no johnny football
please no
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Tale of the tape:
Manziel
21 yo
5 '11 207 lb
4.68 Forty
Arm Strength: Can make all of the NFL throws
Accuracy: 68% in the NCAA
Hoyer
28 yo
6'2 215 lb
5.05 Forty
Arm Strength: can make all of the NFL throws
Accuracy: 59% in the NFL
Internship & Influences:
Manziel
2 years starting QB Texas A&M (Kevin Summelin)
Hoyer
4 years Michigan State, 2+ years starting (Mark Dantonio, John Smith)
3 years New England Patriots (Bill Belichick, Tom Brady)
1 year Arizona Cardinals, 1 start (Ken Wisenhut)
1 year Cleveland Browns, 3 starts (Rob Chudzinski, Norv Turner)
Do we want to spend the #4 overall to replace Hoyer with Manziel?
Or do we give Hoyer a year to show what he's got and draft a QB later in the draft that we don't have to commit to right away?
And if you pass on a QB at #4 (for, say, Watkins), then when do you pull the trigger on a QB ... Derek Carr in the second round? Or take a stab at 4th or 5th rounder and draft a QB high in 2015 if Hoyer doesn't pan out?
Critical decision for Farmer & Pettine.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Tale of the tape:
Manziel
21 yo
5 '11 207 lb
4.68 Forty
Arm Strength: Can make all of the NFL throws
Accuracy: 68% in the NCAA
Hoyer
28 yo
6'2 215 lb
5.05 Forty
Arm Strength: can make all of the NFL throws
Accuracy: 59% in the NFL
Internship & Influences:
Manziel
2 years starting QB Texas A&M (Kevin Summelin)
Hoyer
4 years Michigan State, 2+ years starting (Mark Dantonio, John Smith)
3 years New England Patriots (Bill Belichick, Tom Brady)
1 year Arizona Cardinals, 1 start (Ken Wisenhut)
1 year Cleveland Browns, 3 starts (Rob Chudzinski, Norv Turner)
Do we want to spend the #4 overall to replace Hoyer with Manziel?
Or do we give Hoyer a year to show what he's got and draft a QB later in the draft that we don't have to commit to right away?
And if you pass on a QB at #4 (for, say, Watkins), then when do you pull the trigger on a QB ... Derek Carr in the second round? Or take a stab at 4th or 5th rounder and draft a QB high in 2015 if Hoyer doesn't pan out?
Critical decision for Farmer & Pettine.
Zombo
i'm one that goes against the grain and isn't so concerned with drafting a QB this year until the later rounds and grab someone with second pick in the third like fales. i would seriously have hoyer start and see if he can get the job done. if not we will have drafted enough talent this year (hopefully they would all pan out) that we could almost put all our eggs in one basket and go for one of the top tier QBs next year.
I have almost 100% percent confidence in them... that they will find a way to fuck it up.
dude, you are seriously a fucking idiot. how long have they been on the job? they hurt your feelings cuz they cut DQ. and they didn't franchise ward. would you rather have them franchise ward than mack?
well at least you have something else to cry about now rather than the same old TR bitchfest we usually get from you.
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If he plays a game similar to Flutie then I am down. You just never know.
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if he falls to 26 then i won't 'hate' the pick.
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don't want any of them that bad.
personally i'd pick evans and try to move up and get gilbert with our first 2 picks.
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Well, there won't be any *grooming" ... But, yes, if Farmer is high on Bortles or Bridgewater at 4 ... Then grab them.
I used Manziel in the comparison because he seems to be gathering a gay-like following. All the things the Manziel Mos seem to like about him, I think we saw out of Hoyer last year ... Without the daredevil running.
Personally I like Bridgewater best ... But it seems that none of the four best prospects are QBs ... And we have the fourth pick.
Z
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hoyer hasn't played enough himself to groom anyone. that'd have to been done by one of the coaches or a vet we bring in.
i'm just wondering now that you mention that, what we are going to do with weeden and campbell. maybe they are going to try and throw weeden in some type of trade package come draft day. i know he's got money due him but i would cut him out like a cancerous tumor.
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Sure Hoyer could "Groom". Meaning a veteran guy showing a rookie the ropes. Full out competition in camp though.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Sure Hoyer could "Groom". Meaning a veteran guy showing a rookie the ropes. Full out competition in camp though.
Fuck the ropes, show him the bench.
Joe Montana wouldn't give Steve Young the time of day, and he turned out OK. Fuck grooming. Unless you want to bring in Rex Grossman as a third stringer and let him "groom". Grooming is for coaches and washed up hasbeens. ... Not for competive guys who want to start in their own right.
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