Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I think Hoyer is a bit overvalued on this board. Sure he was serviceable in a couple games last year, but all I seen was a backup. I do think he earned a spot on the team, but if he is starting we really need to temper our expectations for next season. He is a hometown guy so I get why he is a fan favorite, but I am offering an unbiased opinion.
If we draft manzeil before the 3rd I'll be devastated. There is too much talent in this draft to burn an early pick on a qb that has so many red flags. I honestly would rather sign mike Vick and pick up a late round qb if Bridgewater isn't there at 4
Sure he was serviceable in a couple games last year, but all I seen was a backup. I do think he earned a spot on the team, but if he is starting we really need to temper our expectations for next season. He is a hometown guy so I get why he is a fan favorite, but I am offering an unbiased opinion.
let me preface this post by saying i didn't even know hoyer was 'home-town' until lombardi picked him up. i'm not from cleveland so there is no favoritism here. btw i think the 2 wins made him more than serviceable.
does that mean he is the 2nd coming of tom brady? of course not. but you can't put that label on any ONE of these QBs coming into this draft. not one. so if you are just going for a guy to manage and throw all the passes when he needs to and be more than a statue, hoyer can prob do it just as good if not better than any of these guys. so why waste a pick at all, unless farmer sees a diamond in the rough with some 3rd rounder?
at least hoyer has proven he deserves to be on an NFL roster which is more than we can say about weeden at this point (and we wasted a second first rounder for him), as well as any of these guys yet.
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I think Hoyer is a bit overvalued on this board. Sure he was serviceable in a couple games last year, but all I seen was a backup. I do think he earned a spot on the team, but if he is starting we really need to temper our expectations for next season. He is a hometown guy so I get why he is a fan favorite, but I am offering an unbiased opinion.
If we draft manzeil before the 3rd I'll be devastated. There is too much talent in this draft to burn an early pick on a qb that has so many red flags. I honestly would rather sign mike Vick and pick up a late round qb if Bridgewater isn't there at 4
I think Hoyer is a bit overvalued on this board. Sure he was serviceable in a couple games last year, but all I seen was a backup. I do think he earned a spot on the team, but if he is starting we really need to temper our expectations for next season. He is a hometown guy so I get why he is a fan favorite, but I am offering an unbiased opinion.
If we draft manzeil before the 3rd I'll be devastated. There is too much talent in this draft to burn an early pick on a qb that has so many red flags. I honestly would rather sign mike Vick and pick up a late round qb if Bridgewater isn't there at 4
You put down Hoyer and Manziel by calling one nothing more than a good back up and saying you'd rather have Vick than the other... while at the same time endorsing Bridgewater who plays for Louisville which is where you're from. Yep seems like an unbiased opinion lmao good one. I like Bridgewater too, puts passes in the right spots... his low interception % is proof of that. Lotta media guys say Manziel is a student of the game but Bridgewater plays like he is a student of the game. I was under the impression that he is outta of our reach without a trade up of some kind.
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My opinion is pretty unbiased. I have watched a lot of tape on these guys and I honestly think Bridgewater gives us the best chance to win next year. Bridgewater is hands down the best qb in this class.
I am obviously not a fan of manzeil. All of those jump passes, running in circles, terrible footwork, no pocket presence, and the fact that he is stupid enough to take a picture with the heisman trophy holding a blunt, is enough for me to not want him.
I know this is controversial, but I really do want the browns to sign Vick. I don't care for him as a person ( I'm pretty sure he slept with my ex) but he has a couple reasons why he would be good for this team.
1- signing Vick shows the team we want to win now. If we go into the season with Hoyer or a qb not taken at the top of the draft, I think the feeling in the locker room will be that we are waiting for next year.
2- he would give us a year to develop or draft the qb of the future.
3- Vick will help draw free agents
4- Vick has proven to be a solid mentor for troubled players and all the qb that play behind him usually develop into solid players. Shaub, Kafka, foles.
Again I'm aware this will be an unpopular opinion, so let the bashing commence
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My opinion is pretty unbiased. I have watched a lot of tape on these guys and I honestly think Bridgewater gives us the best chance to win next year. Bridgewater is hands down the best qb in this class.
I am obviously not a fan of manzeil. All of those jump passes, running in circles, terrible footwork, no pocket presence, and the fact that he is stupid enough to take a picture with the heisman trophy holding a blunt, is enough for me to not want him.
I know this is controversial, but I really do want the browns to sign Vick. I don't care for him as a person ( I'm pretty sure he slept with my ex) but he has a couple reasons why he would be good for this team.
1- signing Vick shows the team we want to win now. If we go into the season with Hoyer or a qb not taken at the top of the draft, I think the feeling in the locker room will be that we are waiting for next year.
2- he would give us a year to develop or draft the qb of the future.
3- Vick will help draw free agents
4- Vick has proven to be a solid mentor for troubled players and all the qb that play behind him usually develop into solid players. Shaub, Kafka, foles.
Again I'm aware this will be an unpopular opinion, so let the bashing commence
My opinion is pretty unbiased. I have watched a lot of tape on these guys and I honestly think Bridgewater gives us the best chance to win next year. Bridgewater is hands down the best qb in this class.
I am obviously not a fan of manzeil. All of those jump passes, running in circles, terrible footwork, no pocket presence, and the fact that he is stupid enough to take a picture with the heisman trophy holding a blunt, is enough for me to not want him.
I know this is controversial, but I really do want the browns to sign Vick. I don't care for him as a person ( I'm pretty sure he slept with my ex) but he has a couple reasons why he would be good for this team.
1- signing Vick shows the team we want to win now. If we go into the season with Hoyer or a qb not taken at the top of the draft, I think the feeling in the locker room will be that we are waiting for next year.
2- he would give us a year to develop or draft the qb of the future.
3- Vick will help draw free agents
4- Vick has proven to be a solid mentor for troubled players and all the qb that play behind him usually develop into solid players. Shaub, Kafka, foles.
Again I'm aware this will be an unpopular opinion, so let the bashing commence
Okay 'Louisville Slugger', LMAO.
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Yeah.....Vick definitely needs to play for a team with a fan section called the Dawg Pound. Comedians would have a fucking field day.
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even with tom brady this team is not ready to win NOW. so why sign someone with the shelf life of 6 games a season for one year?
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you suck. anyone that looks like you sucks.
i'm the idiot? yeah ok. take a look at your posts since you've been on the board. you come off as the biggest, gayest, douche since a late member of the board was axed.
obviously you know NOTHING about building a team. yes we have some good parts in place but you don't just plug and play in the NFL. it takes time for players to know what their teammates are going to do and when they are going to do it.
so if we draft JF you GUARANTEE the playoffs?
how about a gentleman's bet then?
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@walterwhite said:
Look at all the teams that turned it around quick:
It worked for The Chiefs this year
It worked for The Eagles this year
It worked for The Cardinals this year
It worked for The Colts in 2012
It worked for The Bengals in 2011
It worked for The Panthers in 2011
It worked for The 49ers in 2011
(I can keep going)
All the time teams turn it around quick but our lame ass team never does it.
For gods sake, Manziel could be our Cam Newton that gives us edge and spark
how about that bet big boy?
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What if Manziel gets hurt in week 1 and we make the playoffs? Who wins the bet? Or if Hoyer starts?
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@walterwhite said:
I bet MikeToxic if The Browns draft Manziel, we will be in the playoffs.
The wager will be 100 dollars and a bar tab of choice in the Ohio region.
no not that much, and i don't live in ohio so.............
just a six pack of your finest that you'd like vs. what i'd like up to a $30 limit. i.e. gentleman's bet.
if we don't draft manziel the bet's off? what about bridgewater or bortles?
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My opinion is pretty unbiased. I have watched a lot of tape on these guys and I honestly think Bridgewater gives us the best chance to win next year. Bridgewater is hands down the best qb in this class.
I am obviously not a fan of manzeil. All of those jump passes, running in circles, terrible footwork, no pocket presence, and the fact that he is stupid enough to take a picture with the heisman trophy holding a blunt, is enough for me to not want him.
I know this is controversial, but I really do want the browns to sign Vick. I don't care for him as a person ( I'm pretty sure he slept with my ex) but he has a couple reasons why he would be good for this team.
1- signing Vick shows the team we want to win now. If we go into the season with Hoyer or a qb not taken at the top of the draft, I think the feeling in the locker room will be that we are waiting for next year.
2- he would give us a year to develop or draft the qb of the future.
3- Vick will help draw free agents
4- Vick has proven to be a solid mentor for troubled players and all the qb that play behind him usually develop into solid players. Shaub, Kafka, foles.
Again I'm aware this will be an unpopular opinion, so let the bashing commence
My opinion is pretty unbiased. I have watched a lot of tape on these guys and I honestly think Bridgewater gives us the best chance to win next year. Bridgewater is hands down the best qb in this class.
I am obviously not a fan of manzeil. All of those jump passes, running in circles, terrible footwork, no pocket presence, and the fact that he is stupid enough to take a picture with the heisman trophy holding a blunt, is enough for me to not want him.
I know this is controversial, but I really do want the browns to sign Vick. I don't care for him as a person ( I'm pretty sure he slept with my ex) but he has a couple reasons why he would be good for this team.
1- signing Vick shows the team we want to win now. If we go into the season with Hoyer or a qb not taken at the top of the draft, I think the feeling in the locker room will be that we are waiting for next year.
2- he would give us a year to develop or draft the qb of the future.
3- Vick will help draw free agents
4- Vick has proven to be a solid mentor for troubled players and all the qb that play behind him usually develop into solid players. Shaub, Kafka, foles.
Again I'm aware this will be an unpopular opinion, so let the bashing commence
I'm with you 100% on Bridgewater and Manziel, but I have no interest in Vick. The reasons you mentioned don't justify the price tag he'd come with. I think Haslam has shown #1, Hoyer fills #2, our salary cap at least partially fills #3, and the coaches job is to fill #4.
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@walterwhite said:
I bet MikeToxic if The Browns draft Manziel, we will be in the playoffs.
The wager will be 100 dollars and a bar tab of choice in the Ohio region.
no not that much, and i don't live in ohio so.............
just a six pack of your finest that you'd like vs. what i'd like up to a $30 limit. i.e. gentleman's bet.
if we don't draft manziel the bet's off? what about bridgewater or bortles?
no not that much, and i don't live in ohio so.............
just a six pack of your finest that you'd like vs. what i'd like up to a $30 limit. i.e. gentleman's bet.
if we don't draft manziel the bet's off? what about bridgewater or bortles?
You know it's illegal to buy alcohol for minors.
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well his uncle would have to buy for me so..............
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I wouldn't think Vick would have a very high price tag, maybe 3-5 mil a year and since he would be a one year stop gap that wouldn't put a dent in our cap space.
I honestly think bringing him in wins us 3 more games than if we go with Hoyer. It would be more but we all know Vick only plays 8 games a season.
Vick isn't my ideal starter, but again if we miss on Bridgewater, Vick can be a band aid while we develop someone like Mettenberger that we can pick up in rounds 2 or 3
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hey mike i only drink 2 days a week (on the mayan calander). it's always 5 pm somewhere in the world.
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Yeah.....Vick definitely needs to play for a team with a fan section called the Dawg Pound. Comedians would have a fucking field day.
Yeah.....Vick definitely needs to play for a team with a fan section called the Dawg Pound. Comedians would have a fucking field day.
^+1. I'd take Vick at vet minimum though as a backup.
@walterwhite said:
You fucking idiot. It's weak minded assholes like you why this fanbase sucks.
What do you mean we aren't ready to win now. Of course we are fuckhead.
We had Brady beat last year, we beat the Bengals, we beat the Ravens, we can beat anyone we want.
I say playoffs next year if we get good QB play
Yeah- just tell that to the Falcons when half their team gets hurt. How about the Lions, Steelers, and Ravens? Seem to have good quarterbacks, UM didn't make the playoffs. So before you go calling people idiots, just remember about the kettle calling the pot black- if you can figure out what that means.
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@walterwhite said:
The Ravens just won the Super Bowl a year ago shit for brains.
The Steelers have won two and played in another in the past 10 years.
What in the EVER LIVING FUCK are you talking about?
The Steelers and Ravens own us year in and year out.
They didn't make the playoffs last year, short attention span, or you have reading comprehension problems?. THAT'S what I'm talking about. Just having a great quarterback isn't the magic bullet to the SB, much less a guaranteed trip to the playoffs, now STFU already- you're looking dumber by the minute.
PS don't ever call one of the Mods "Shit for Brains" I don't take kindly to it- I'll let it slide this time, next time you get a Kiddie Time out, potty mouth.
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You two should get a room
though the "I'm a mod so you better be nice to me!" shit is pretty lame
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
You two should get a room
though the "I'm a mod so you better be nice to me!" shit is pretty lame
though the "I'm a mod so you better be nice to me!" shit is pretty lame
kinda makes sense to me. it's like going into someone's house as a guest a thanksgiving dinner and calling the family scumbags and that their food sucks and puking on the table. it's called common sense. you just don't do it.
on topic:
it's texas A & M's pro day today. so let's see what the kid can do. i'm going to be looking more at evans than JF. but who knows he might change some people's minds.
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I don't understand the guys here that want hoyer over maziel because they are afraid mr feetball will get hurt!lol my god hoyer was hurt all season
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