Upward or merely lateral moves?
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Historically, I think Whitner has been worse against the pass than Ward. Last year, the stats shown might be an outlier.
As for the grades, I second JAFBF's take on it, they're looking at whether or not each player was in position or beaten on every play.
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The browns merely got a tit for a tat on day one nothing more and nothing less..
The big FA splash that as usual never developed for the browns is over and as usual the browns appear to only break even or a bit better on paper..
IMHO Farmer definitely missed some opportunities and has failed to shore up anything thusfar ..
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I like all the moves. To be honest, I think the best move so far, has been kicking Weeden to the curb. Him not being on the sideline makes us better. His dumb ass grin and his dumb ass back hand throws, are now gone, Fuck Ya!
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How the hell do you like these moves? Are you slow?
We released 2 great players and replaced them with decent players that are both 2 years older and underperform comparatively.
Good moves? WTH moves are you looking at?
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How the hell do you like these moves? Are you slow?
We released 2 great players and replaced them with decent players that are both 2 years older and underperform comparatively.
Good moves? WTH moves are you looking at?
How the hell do you like these moves? Are you slow?
We released 2 great players and replaced them with decent players that are both 2 years older and underperform comparatively.
Good moves? WTH moves are you looking at?
Underperform? How so? Whitner has been consistently good for SF, Ward has only reached that level this year. Dansby was superior to Jackson. Yes, older, but not significantly. Factor in that both Jackson and Ward wanted to leave as well. We've basically replaced like for like.
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How the hell do you like these moves? Are you slow?
We released 2 great players and replaced them with decent players that are both 2 years older and underperform comparatively.
Good moves? WTH moves are you looking at?
Underperform? How so? Whitner has been consistently good for SF, Ward has only reached that level this year. Dansby was superior to Jackson. Yes, older, but not significantly. Factor in that both Jackson and Ward wanted to leave as well. We've basically replaced like for like.
Underperform? How so? Whitner has been consistently good for SF, Ward has only reached that level this year. Dansby was superior to Jackson. Yes, older, but not significantly. Factor in that both Jackson and Ward wanted to leave as well. We've basically replaced like for like.
How was Dansby superior to DQ? DQ had 30+ more tackles and has led this team for the past 5 years. Dansby had his best year last year statistically and wasn't where DQ was numbers wise. Likewise, Ward outperformed Whitner in both total tackles and coverage ratings, and he's older. Please tell how this is an upgrade, I really want to believe without putting on the homer glasses.
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Underperform? How so? Whitner has been consistently good for SF, Ward has only reached that level this year. Dansby was superior to Jackson. Yes, older, but not significantly. Factor in that both Jackson and Ward wanted to leave as well. We've basically replaced like for like.
How was Dansby superior to DQ? DQ had 30+ more tackles and has led this team for the past 5 years. Dansby had his best year last year statistically and wasn't where DQ was numbers wise. Likewise, Ward outperformed Whitner in both total tackles and coverage ratings, and he's older. Please tell how this is an upgrade, I really want to believe without putting on the homer glasses.
How was Dansby superior to DQ? DQ had 30+ more tackles and has led this team for the past 5 years. Dansby had his best year last year statistically and wasn't where DQ was numbers wise. Likewise, Ward outperformed Whitner in both total tackles and coverage ratings, and he's older. Please tell how this is an upgrade, I really want to believe without putting on the homer glasses.
Jackson had 75 solo tackles to Dansby's 112
Jackson had 1 sack to Dansby's 6
Jackson had 1 pick to Dansby's 4
Jackson had more tackles total, yes, but you can see a lot of the tackles he made were assisted - either he needed the help or was giving it. Dansby is more of a game changing impact player at that position.
Ward vs Whitner's been done somewhere else on here.
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I think Browns fans had Jackson overrated.
He was solid. That's it.
Dansby will make more plays, be more of a difference maker on the field.
Whitner is as good as Ward ... More of a leader ... Wants to be here.
Get over the age. We needed some IMO. Everyone in the NFL is effectively on a 2-3 year deal with the exception of Franchise QBs and left tackles.
Z
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Jackson wasn't that good and the people defending him are brainless imbeciles.
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I think Browns fans had Jackson overrated.
He was solid. That's it.
Dansby will make more plays, be more of a difference maker on the field.
Whitner is as good as Ward ... More of a leader ... Wants to be here.
Get over the age. We needed some IMO. Everyone in the NFL is effectively on a 2-3 year deal with the exception of Franchise QBs and left tackles.
Z
Everything here other than Hitner wanting to be here is bullshit, douchebag.
Zombo said:
I think Browns fans had Jackson overrated.
He was solid. That's it.
Dansby will make more plays, be more of a difference maker on the field.
Whitner is as good as Ward ... More of a leader ... Wants to be here.
Get over the age. We needed some IMO. Everyone in the NFL is effectively on a 2-3 year deal with the exception of Franchise QBs and left tackles.
Z
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Everything here other than Hitner wanting to be here is bullshit, douchebag.
Zombo said:
I think Browns fans had Jackson overrated.
He was solid. That's it.
Dansby will make more plays, be more of a difference maker on the field.
Whitner is as good as Ward ... More of a leader ... Wants to be here.
Get over the age. We needed some IMO. Everyone in the NFL is effectively on a 2-3 year deal with the exception of Franchise QBs and left tackles.
Z
Everything here other than Hitner wanting to be here is bullshit, douchebag.
whoa, charlie. you obviously know shit from from shinola.
the browns FO did exactly what they did to fill the holes left by guys that didn't want to be in cleveland.
what do you want, aging guys who don't have the spirit to be a browns anymore or sign guys that WANT to play here?
you sound like a spoiled piece of shit that has no conscience of what is new and happening in cleveland.
if anyone is a douche it's you.
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Everything here other than Hitner wanting to be here is bullshit, douchebag.
whoa, charlie. you obviously know shit from from shinola.
the browns FO did exactly what they did to fill the holes left by guys that didn't want to be in cleveland.
what do you want, aging guys who don't have the spirit to be a browns anymore or sign guys that WANT to play here?
you sound like a spoiled piece of shit that has no conscience of what is new and happening in cleveland.
if anyone is a douche it's you.
Haha, i dont know what's happening in Cleveland. Good one, dumb fuck.
You're a broken record, you jackass. You've been saying the same shit for years.
whoa, charlie. you obviously know shit from from shinola.
the browns FO did exactly what they did to fill the holes left by guys that didn't want to be in cleveland.
what do you want, aging guys who don't have the spirit to be a browns anymore or sign guys that WANT to play here?
you sound like a spoiled piece of shit that has no conscience of what is new and happening in cleveland.
if anyone is a douche it's you.
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Haha, i dont know what's happening in Cleveland. Good one, dumb fuck.
You're a broken record, you jackass. You've been saying the same shit for years.
whoa, charlie. you obviously know shit from from shinola.
the browns FO did exactly what they did to fill the holes left by guys that didn't want to be in cleveland.
what do you want, aging guys who don't have the spirit to be a browns anymore or sign guys that WANT to play here?
you sound like a spoiled piece of shit that has no conscience of what is new and happening in cleveland.
if anyone is a douche it's you.
Haha, i dont know what's happening in Cleveland. Good one, dumb fuck.
You're a broken record, you jackass. You've been saying the same shit for years.
Erm I think your the douche Cbus and that's putting it lightly. Either your parents fucked up raising you or you never got your teeth kicked in for talking out of your ass (prob both). I got your back Mik
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Haha, i dont know what's happening in Cleveland. Good one, dumb fuck.
You're a broken record, you jackass. You've been saying the same shit for years.
Erm I think your the douche Cbus and that's putting it lightly. Either your parents fucked up raising you or you never got your teeth kicked in for talking out of your ass (prob both). I got your back Mik
GuNNerGatSKy said:
Erm I think your the douche Cbus and that's putting it lightly. Either your parents fucked up raising you or you never got your teeth kicked in for talking out of your ass (prob both). I got your back Mik
Got his back? You mean his balls in your mouth..
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GuNNerGatSKy said:
Erm I think your the douche Cbus and that's putting it lightly. Either your parents fucked up raising you or you never got your teeth kicked in for talking out of your ass (prob both). I got your back Mik
Got his back? You mean his balls in your mouth..
Got his back? More like his dick in your mouth faggot..
Your a funny one I'll give you that. Go be a jackass somewhere else. Little immature thirteen year old boys do not belong on the interwebs my friend. Now go back to spanking your pud in mamma's basement before grandpa gummers comes down and offers to suck you off and you begrudgingly accept.
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GuNNerGatSKy said:
Erm I think your the douche Cbus and that's putting it lightly. Either your parents fucked up raising you or you never got your teeth kicked in for talking out of your ass (prob both). I got your back Mik
Got his back? You mean his balls in your mouth..
Got his back? You mean his balls in your mouth..
dude go back to paying madden and asking your mom to heat up the microwaveable kraft mac and cheese.
what are you 12?
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Everything here other than Hitner wanting to be here is bullshit, douchebag.
Zombo said:
I think Browns fans had Jackson overrated.
He was solid. That's it.
Dansby will make more plays, be more of a difference maker on the field.
Whitner is as good as Ward ... More of a leader ... Wants to be here.
Get over the age. We needed some IMO. Everyone in the NFL is effectively on a 2-3 year deal with the exception of Franchise QBs and left tackles.
Z
Everything here other than Hitner wanting to be here is bullshit, douchebag.
Really?? So Jackson is more of a playmaker than Dansby?
Just between me and you ... have you ever really watched a fucking NFL game?
Zombo
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Everything here other than Hitner wanting to be here is bullshit, douchebag.
Really?? So Jackson is more of a playmaker than Dansby?
Just between me and you ... have you ever really watched a fucking NFL game?
Zombo
Zombo said:
Really?? So Jackson is more of a playmaker than Dansby?
Just between me and you ... have you ever really watched a fucking NFL game?
Zombo
Great question Zombo. Got a answer Cbitch?
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I like the guys we brought in. I also liked the guys that got their walking papers. Everyone is still gonna have jobs, except Weeden(maybe he could coach little league or something?) so all's well that ends well.
Dansby talks a BIG GAME. I like his style. We need that on the interior. Hope he backs it up and brings the pain.
Witner I've always liked, he's gonna be sweet back there. Just like TJ was. Maybe this will propel Joe Haden into the stratosphere?
Even Isaiah I really like. A guy a little younger than myself, working and striving to keep a foothold in the league, doing all the right things, saying the right things. Keeping his head down and working. Overshadowed by both his older and younger brother. I like his demeanor and his confidence. I think he may even have a shot at starting opposite Haden, though I would love one of the big name CBs coming out in the draft.
Joe Haden
Justin Gilbert/Stanley Jean-Baptiste
Buster Skrine
Isaiah Trufant
Leon McFadden
Would Stanley Jean-Baptiste at Free Safety and Witner at SS be nasty or what. Having Gilbert and Haden at 1-2 CBs, Skrine and Trufant covering the 3-4s... that's a D.
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Anyone who is upset about Hitner and Dansby are out of their damn minds.
We let 2 good players leave who apparently wanted to leave. And we upgraded by most peoples standards.
Pettine preferred the safety who could cover apparently.
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