Upward or merely lateral moves?
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It's an improvement just based on the fact that DQJ and Ward clearly weren't happy here. Ward wanted 8m but took a 3.5m paycut to play on a contender. Whitner came home and wants to be here. That speaks volumes.
Also speaks volumes people want to play for our coaches
Also speaks volumes people want to play for our coaches
I believe that.
OK Revis, prove us right!!!
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Telling, Vapor. Interesting, I got the impression from the reports that Whitner was more of a hard hitting safety, a TJ Ward clone - according to that he's better in coverage? That fits more with what I've read on Pettine's safety preferences, so maybe it's accurate and the media portrayal of him is not.
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Although looking more closely, I'm not sure I can understand the coverage grades:
58% comp; 4.6 YAC; 1 TD, 2 INT, 2 PDs - Whitner +10.7
52% comp; 2.8 YAC; 2 TD, 2 INT, 6 PDs - Ward +4.8
?? Is it that heavily skewed to TDs? Because Ward is ahead in every other category.
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Although looking more closely, I'm not sure I can understand the coverage grades:
58% comp; 4.6 YAC; 1 TD, 2 INT, 2 PDs - Whitner +10.7
52% comp; 2.8 YAC; 2 TD, 2 INT, 6 PDs - Ward +4.8
?? Is it that heavily skewed to TDs? Because Ward is ahead in every other category.
Although looking more closely, I'm not sure I can understand the coverage grades:
58% comp; 4.6 YAC; 1 TD, 2 INT, 2 PDs - Whitner +10.7
52% comp; 2.8 YAC; 2 TD, 2 INT, 6 PDs - Ward +4.8
?? Is it that heavily skewed to TDs? Because Ward is ahead in every other category.
I believe PFF actually grades players on each actual play, not just the stats - they use the game film to come up with their grades.
Their grading would likely take into account for how often the player was out of position, faked, had excellent coverage, and so forth.
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Although looking more closely, I'm not sure I can understand the coverage grades:
58% comp; 4.6 YAC; 1 TD, 2 INT, 2 PDs - Whitner +10.7
52% comp; 2.8 YAC; 2 TD, 2 INT, 6 PDs - Ward +4.8
?? Is it that heavily skewed to TDs? Because Ward is ahead in every other category.
I believe PFF actually grades players on each actual play, not just the stats - they use the game film to come up with their grades.
Their grading would likely take into account for how often the player was out of position, faked, had excellent coverage, and so forth.
I believe PFF actually grades players on each actual play, not just the stats - they use the game film to come up with their grades.
Their grading would likely take into account for how often the player was out of position, faked, had excellent coverage, and so forth.
OK, good, that makes more sense, thanks.
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Historically, I think Whitner has been worse against the pass than Ward. Last year, the stats shown might be an outlier.
As for the grades, I second JAFBF's take on it, they're looking at whether or not each player was in position or beaten on every play.
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The browns merely got a tit for a tat on day one nothing more and nothing less..
The big FA splash that as usual never developed for the browns is over and as usual the browns appear to only break even or a bit better on paper..
IMHO Farmer definitely missed some opportunities and has failed to shore up anything thusfar ..
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I like all the moves. To be honest, I think the best move so far, has been kicking Weeden to the curb. Him not being on the sideline makes us better. His dumb ass grin and his dumb ass back hand throws, are now gone, Fuck Ya!
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How the hell do you like these moves? Are you slow?
We released 2 great players and replaced them with decent players that are both 2 years older and underperform comparatively.
Good moves? WTH moves are you looking at?
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How the hell do you like these moves? Are you slow?
We released 2 great players and replaced them with decent players that are both 2 years older and underperform comparatively.
Good moves? WTH moves are you looking at?
How the hell do you like these moves? Are you slow?
We released 2 great players and replaced them with decent players that are both 2 years older and underperform comparatively.
Good moves? WTH moves are you looking at?
Underperform? How so? Whitner has been consistently good for SF, Ward has only reached that level this year. Dansby was superior to Jackson. Yes, older, but not significantly. Factor in that both Jackson and Ward wanted to leave as well. We've basically replaced like for like.
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How the hell do you like these moves? Are you slow?
We released 2 great players and replaced them with decent players that are both 2 years older and underperform comparatively.
Good moves? WTH moves are you looking at?
Underperform? How so? Whitner has been consistently good for SF, Ward has only reached that level this year. Dansby was superior to Jackson. Yes, older, but not significantly. Factor in that both Jackson and Ward wanted to leave as well. We've basically replaced like for like.
Underperform? How so? Whitner has been consistently good for SF, Ward has only reached that level this year. Dansby was superior to Jackson. Yes, older, but not significantly. Factor in that both Jackson and Ward wanted to leave as well. We've basically replaced like for like.
How was Dansby superior to DQ? DQ had 30+ more tackles and has led this team for the past 5 years. Dansby had his best year last year statistically and wasn't where DQ was numbers wise. Likewise, Ward outperformed Whitner in both total tackles and coverage ratings, and he's older. Please tell how this is an upgrade, I really want to believe without putting on the homer glasses.
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Underperform? How so? Whitner has been consistently good for SF, Ward has only reached that level this year. Dansby was superior to Jackson. Yes, older, but not significantly. Factor in that both Jackson and Ward wanted to leave as well. We've basically replaced like for like.
How was Dansby superior to DQ? DQ had 30+ more tackles and has led this team for the past 5 years. Dansby had his best year last year statistically and wasn't where DQ was numbers wise. Likewise, Ward outperformed Whitner in both total tackles and coverage ratings, and he's older. Please tell how this is an upgrade, I really want to believe without putting on the homer glasses.
How was Dansby superior to DQ? DQ had 30+ more tackles and has led this team for the past 5 years. Dansby had his best year last year statistically and wasn't where DQ was numbers wise. Likewise, Ward outperformed Whitner in both total tackles and coverage ratings, and he's older. Please tell how this is an upgrade, I really want to believe without putting on the homer glasses.
Jackson had 75 solo tackles to Dansby's 112
Jackson had 1 sack to Dansby's 6
Jackson had 1 pick to Dansby's 4
Jackson had more tackles total, yes, but you can see a lot of the tackles he made were assisted - either he needed the help or was giving it. Dansby is more of a game changing impact player at that position.
Ward vs Whitner's been done somewhere else on here.
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I think Browns fans had Jackson overrated.
He was solid. That's it.
Dansby will make more plays, be more of a difference maker on the field.
Whitner is as good as Ward ... More of a leader ... Wants to be here.
Get over the age. We needed some IMO. Everyone in the NFL is effectively on a 2-3 year deal with the exception of Franchise QBs and left tackles.
Z
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Jackson wasn't that good and the people defending him are brainless imbeciles.
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I think Browns fans had Jackson overrated.
He was solid. That's it.
Dansby will make more plays, be more of a difference maker on the field.
Whitner is as good as Ward ... More of a leader ... Wants to be here.
Get over the age. We needed some IMO. Everyone in the NFL is effectively on a 2-3 year deal with the exception of Franchise QBs and left tackles.
Z
Everything here other than Hitner wanting to be here is bullshit, douchebag.
Zombo said:
I think Browns fans had Jackson overrated.
He was solid. That's it.
Dansby will make more plays, be more of a difference maker on the field.
Whitner is as good as Ward ... More of a leader ... Wants to be here.
Get over the age. We needed some IMO. Everyone in the NFL is effectively on a 2-3 year deal with the exception of Franchise QBs and left tackles.
Z
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Everything here other than Hitner wanting to be here is bullshit, douchebag.
Zombo said:
I think Browns fans had Jackson overrated.
He was solid. That's it.
Dansby will make more plays, be more of a difference maker on the field.
Whitner is as good as Ward ... More of a leader ... Wants to be here.
Get over the age. We needed some IMO. Everyone in the NFL is effectively on a 2-3 year deal with the exception of Franchise QBs and left tackles.
Z
Everything here other than Hitner wanting to be here is bullshit, douchebag.
whoa, charlie. you obviously know shit from from shinola.
the browns FO did exactly what they did to fill the holes left by guys that didn't want to be in cleveland.
what do you want, aging guys who don't have the spirit to be a browns anymore or sign guys that WANT to play here?
you sound like a spoiled piece of shit that has no conscience of what is new and happening in cleveland.
if anyone is a douche it's you.
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Everything here other than Hitner wanting to be here is bullshit, douchebag.
whoa, charlie. you obviously know shit from from shinola.
the browns FO did exactly what they did to fill the holes left by guys that didn't want to be in cleveland.
what do you want, aging guys who don't have the spirit to be a browns anymore or sign guys that WANT to play here?
you sound like a spoiled piece of shit that has no conscience of what is new and happening in cleveland.
if anyone is a douche it's you.
Haha, i dont know what's happening in Cleveland. Good one, dumb fuck.
You're a broken record, you jackass. You've been saying the same shit for years.
whoa, charlie. you obviously know shit from from shinola.
the browns FO did exactly what they did to fill the holes left by guys that didn't want to be in cleveland.
what do you want, aging guys who don't have the spirit to be a browns anymore or sign guys that WANT to play here?
you sound like a spoiled piece of shit that has no conscience of what is new and happening in cleveland.
if anyone is a douche it's you.
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Haha, i dont know what's happening in Cleveland. Good one, dumb fuck.
You're a broken record, you jackass. You've been saying the same shit for years.
whoa, charlie. you obviously know shit from from shinola.
the browns FO did exactly what they did to fill the holes left by guys that didn't want to be in cleveland.
what do you want, aging guys who don't have the spirit to be a browns anymore or sign guys that WANT to play here?
you sound like a spoiled piece of shit that has no conscience of what is new and happening in cleveland.
if anyone is a douche it's you.
Haha, i dont know what's happening in Cleveland. Good one, dumb fuck.
You're a broken record, you jackass. You've been saying the same shit for years.
Erm I think your the douche Cbus and that's putting it lightly. Either your parents fucked up raising you or you never got your teeth kicked in for talking out of your ass (prob both). I got your back Mik
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Haha, i dont know what's happening in Cleveland. Good one, dumb fuck.
You're a broken record, you jackass. You've been saying the same shit for years.
Erm I think your the douche Cbus and that's putting it lightly. Either your parents fucked up raising you or you never got your teeth kicked in for talking out of your ass (prob both). I got your back Mik
GuNNerGatSKy said:
Erm I think your the douche Cbus and that's putting it lightly. Either your parents fucked up raising you or you never got your teeth kicked in for talking out of your ass (prob both). I got your back Mik
Got his back? You mean his balls in your mouth..
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