Jonathan Paul Manziel

MasterDog

You fight fire with fire.

Defense wins the division.

Defense is what Farmer is working on now.

Then come offense.

Then fight the right QB....

jeffinwv

sproles,manziel,gordon evans....tell me that isn't a good offense

evans at 26h,and the best RB avail in the next pick,like mason

that's how you build a team

jeffinwv

its a lot easier to build defense with later picks than find highly skilled ball handlers...just sayin

miktoxic

evans won't be there at 26.

you build a team from the middle out, just like in baseball. sure it's great to have speed, but speed isn't the cure at center/OL or DL.

yep sproles was that good that philly got him for a 5th rounder.

miktoxic

@jeffinwv said:

freeman? hes trashed.he looked awful. worse than Campbell.

There will always be other options at a 4th pick.If your wating on a sure thing your gonna be waiting a long time because a sure thing goes first or second and no one is trading down away froma sure thing QB.. Im not willing to suffer through that season.

You know if they take him and its a miss its just a miss.But I totally believe they gotta get a Qb or its more of the same

then root for another team.

what did you just become a browns fan? how long have YOU been suffering? i've been suffering for over 4 fuckin decades and each year some guy proclaims he knows who the savior of the browns is at QB and we have to get him NOW cuz if we don't i'm gonna take my ball and go home.

just shut up about manziel already. either it's you starting a thread about the guy or you commenting every other post about the guy. we get it. you want him as our QB. everyone else is trash except him.

shouldn't you be praying in front of your beer keg built shrine of johnny football right now?

miktoxic

@jeffinwv said:
its a lot easier to build defense with later picks than find highly skilled ball handlers...just sayin

wow. you really know nothing about building a team.

jrb12711

@miktoxic said:

evans won't be there at 26.

you build a team from the middle out, just like in baseball. sure it's great to have speed, but speed isn't the cure at center/OL or DL.

yep sproles was that good that philly got him for a 5th rounder.

A lot of players traded for draft picks don't really seem equal but it's just one of those things in the NFL. Off the top of my head Brandon Marshall was traded for a 3rd round pick. When trades like this go down it still makes me have an iota of respect for the previous gang for getting a first round pick for T-Rich though.

DieHardBrownsFan

@mike-h said:
My mock will blow your mind, Mik.

That mind has been blown a LONG time.....

jeffinwv

I think a lot of this trading good players for low draft choices is cap dumping

miktoxic

@diehardbrownsfan said:
That mind has been blown a LONG time.....

sorta like the gummers you give to me. might take a while but you still get the results you love!

then go spit on your oatmeal and have a nice day!

hoorta

@jeffinwv said:
that woulda been a lot o speed man.

Maybe you'll find out when he drops to #22 and the Eagles draft him. Wow, Sproles, McCoy, they keep Vick- and they can turn Johnny Fotball into a wide receiver, they'll have so much speed in the backfield.

miktoxic

and they can do the hurry up offense and put up 2 touchdowns before they are all grabbing their knees and asking to come out and hit the h20.

our defense stand pat would have them dead by the 3rd qtr with all their little gadget plays and side to side plays. sproles is just that a gadget guy like reggie bush. fuck him, fuck bush (he he) and his ex bush kardashian, with the big ka dunk a dunk and her mud shark mind-set.

jeffinwv

@hoorta said:

Maybe you'll find out when he drops to #22 and the Eagles draft him. Wow, Sproles, McCoy, they keep Vick- and they can turn Johnny Fotball into a wide receiver, they'll have so much speed in the backfield.

I know your kidding....smiley face here

miktoxic

sarcasm dimwit.

hoorta

@jeffinwv said:
I know your kidding....smiley face here

Well Mel "The Hair" on ESPN just dropped Football to #8 with the Vikings we shall see.

MasterDog

I can see the JF supporters already come December of 2014.

It's not Johnny, it's the rest of the team!

Well, god damn it! Isn't that what most of us are saying..you can bring in Peyton Manning and we might still struggle.

miktoxic

@masterdog said:

I can see the JF supporters already come December of 2014.

It's not Johnny, it's the rest of the team!

Well, god damn it! Isn't that what most of us are saying..you can bring in Peyton Manning and we might still struggle.

you know at this point i don't care if they pick the guy or not. it's just the constant yammering about the guy that it's surpassed the tebow cult following.

we've got a lot of holes to fill. some people think all it will take is watkins and manziel and we're automatically super bowl bound.

we still need at least 3 impact players from this draft on the defensive side of the ball. (3). we still need OL help (2). we still need another #1/2 WR (1). cut half the RBs on the roster and we need 2 RBs (2). that's 8 players right there and i'm discarding 2 picks because i think the FO will use AT LEAST 2 picks to maneuver around.

why not play this thing out with hoyer as your starter and put all your chips in next year. who knows maybe hoyer plays lights out with the additional help garnered in the draft and we won't have to do that. if he doesn't and whoever backs him up sucks as well then 2015 balls to the wall. why hand over a team to a young kid with no NFL experience where things are twice as fast, all the players are faster, bigger and stronger than what you played against in college without having a complete team around him????????????

i guarantee you the guys that are slobberin the top 4 QBs knobs will be doing the same next year.

miktoxic

do it. do it right now.

dude you got a long life ahead of you. what's another year?

miktoxic

@walterwhite said:
If you have a chance to grab a guy like Bridgewater, Manziel, or Bortles - you do it, end of fucking story.

and if THEY suck it up, then what's YOUR story??

i bet you'll run and hide like the bitch you sound like.

remember the bet palsy. any of those guys you just mentioned get drafted by the browns and we don't make the playoffs you owe me a six pack, correct?

Mr. Make-Believe

@miktoxic said:

and if THEY suck it up, then what's YOUR story??

i bet you'll run and hide like the bitch you sound like.

remember the bet palsy. any of those guys you just mentioned get drafted by the browns and we don't make the playoffs you owe me a six pack, correct?

I want Watkins with the pick personally.

But I do find it odd how common the sentiment is that you get a team together FIRST and then you add a quarterback. The quarterback is PART of the team... And it happens to be a position that the Browns have really struggled with for a long time.

What I fear, is getting a TEAM together that is pretty decent and then picking mid-draft and never really finding that quarterback that fits later in the first round. If this management team feels as though one of these guys available can be the answer, then get him. Because you never know when you're going to get another chance to do so.