Jonathan Paul Manziel

The Gipper

@jeffinwv said:

cam newton couldnt even name a play or speak some auburn language.

yall manhate for JF is sad.Hes not gonna steal yalls girl or anything.hes gonna win games...that's a god thing

That is the point: you may have irrational manlove for Manziel. I am NOT convinced that he will win. Nor do I know that he can't win.

I am neutral on the subject. I am not an advocate for Manziel or any of the other prospects. I only care that whomever they do choose actually DOES win. Not whether I think he can or cannot.

jeffinwv

I don't have irrational manlove for him,i wanna win,i want winners....like singletary

if we don't draft a QB we aren't drafting to win,you cant win without good QB play.

Among he,hoyer,weeden,bridgy,bortles,I thnk he has the highest chance to be a good QB.Its that simple

The Gipper

@jeffinwv said:

I don't have irrational manlove for him,i wanna win,i want winners....like singletary

if we don't draft a QB we aren't drafting to win,you cant win without good QB play.

Among he,hoyer,weeden,bridgy,bortles,I thnk he has the highest chance to be a good QB.Its that simple

Again, that is just your opinion. What you or I think is irrelevent. What he does is all that is relevent. Talk again in say 3 years..

jeffinwv

well who do you think should be the QB next year?

miktoxic

@jeffinwv said:
well who do you think should be the QB next year?

hoyer, until they sign a FA or draft a youngin who beats him out.

weeds and campbell are gone.

hey 2 years ago freeman was a manlove for kiper and mcshay and gruden (well who doesn't gruden love) and the first QB taken on a bad team. he got hurt and now he's a FA.

pick him up see what he's got and grab another QB in the draft. doesn't mean it has to be any of the top 4 'projected' great/good QBs. could be a later round pick to sit behind these guys to learn. hey mallett was a later round pick and NE won't let him go so does that mean he's great or they are just stuck with him. i would suggest belichick knows what he's got and is the next in line if brady ever goes down. does that mean he's the next peyton manning? hell no. but that's the same reasoning behind picking any one of the JF or teddys or bortles. no one ever knows until they put pads on and get hit.

i trust farmer now more than i did heckert (because there is no puppet pulling the strings above him). do you really think they (heckert mangini) wanted colt mccoy? that was all holmgren. as was weeden i believe.

too many chances of busts unless they are a legit franchise guy. hey who knows? maybe farmer thinks that of JF.

just too much risk IMO when you see the other options there @4.

jeffinwv

freeman? hes trashed.he looked awful. worse than Campbell.

There will always be other options at a 4th pick.If your wating on a sure thing your gonna be waiting a long time because a sure thing goes first or second and no one is trading down away froma sure thing QB.. Im not willing to suffer through that season.

You know if they take him and its a miss its just a miss.But I totally believe they gotta get a Qb or its more of the same

jeffinwv

that woulda been a lot o speed man.

The Gipper

@jeffinwv said:
well who do you think should be the QB next year?

I honestly don't really care. After going through the Weeden's, Campbell's McCoys, Quinn's, Andersons, Wallaces, Dilfers, Garcias, Holcombs, Couch's etc. etc. etc. I just want a motherfucker that can play and win and I don't give a shit what his name is.

Is that too much to ask?

blowe

Looks like we won't find out. Sounds like Sproles is being traded to Philly for a 5th rounder per ESPN. Sounds like the deal is concrete while the terms are still rumors.

MasterDog

You fight fire with fire.

Defense wins the division.

Defense is what Farmer is working on now.

Then come offense.

Then fight the right QB....

jeffinwv

sproles,manziel,gordon evans....tell me that isn't a good offense

evans at 26h,and the best RB avail in the next pick,like mason

that's how you build a team

jeffinwv

its a lot easier to build defense with later picks than find highly skilled ball handlers...just sayin

miktoxic

evans won't be there at 26.

you build a team from the middle out, just like in baseball. sure it's great to have speed, but speed isn't the cure at center/OL or DL.

yep sproles was that good that philly got him for a 5th rounder.

miktoxic

@jeffinwv said:

freeman? hes trashed.he looked awful. worse than Campbell.

There will always be other options at a 4th pick.If your wating on a sure thing your gonna be waiting a long time because a sure thing goes first or second and no one is trading down away froma sure thing QB.. Im not willing to suffer through that season.

You know if they take him and its a miss its just a miss.But I totally believe they gotta get a Qb or its more of the same

then root for another team.

what did you just become a browns fan? how long have YOU been suffering? i've been suffering for over 4 fuckin decades and each year some guy proclaims he knows who the savior of the browns is at QB and we have to get him NOW cuz if we don't i'm gonna take my ball and go home.

just shut up about manziel already. either it's you starting a thread about the guy or you commenting every other post about the guy. we get it. you want him as our QB. everyone else is trash except him.

shouldn't you be praying in front of your beer keg built shrine of johnny football right now?

miktoxic

@jeffinwv said:
its a lot easier to build defense with later picks than find highly skilled ball handlers...just sayin

wow. you really know nothing about building a team.

jrb12711

@miktoxic said:

evans won't be there at 26.

you build a team from the middle out, just like in baseball. sure it's great to have speed, but speed isn't the cure at center/OL or DL.

yep sproles was that good that philly got him for a 5th rounder.

A lot of players traded for draft picks don't really seem equal but it's just one of those things in the NFL. Off the top of my head Brandon Marshall was traded for a 3rd round pick. When trades like this go down it still makes me have an iota of respect for the previous gang for getting a first round pick for T-Rich though.

DieHardBrownsFan

@mike-h said:
My mock will blow your mind, Mik.

That mind has been blown a LONG time.....

jeffinwv

I think a lot of this trading good players for low draft choices is cap dumping

miktoxic

@diehardbrownsfan said:
That mind has been blown a LONG time.....

sorta like the gummers you give to me. might take a while but you still get the results you love!

then go spit on your oatmeal and have a nice day!

hoorta

@jeffinwv said:
that woulda been a lot o speed man.

Maybe you'll find out when he drops to #22 and the Eagles draft him. Wow, Sproles, McCoy, they keep Vick- and they can turn Johnny Fotball into a wide receiver, they'll have so much speed in the backfield.