Obama Surgeon General Pick Wants Doctors to Find out if Patients Own Guns - and Put Info into Obamacare Database
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There used to be that work requirement for the good and able.
Obamao cancelled that.
Wins bigtime votes from the slugs.
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currious to where you seen that at? I just looked at the clock and its at 17 trillion.
Deficit, not debt.
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Well, that's how taxes work....
Ironically that's also how socialism works. And some people bitch if anyone uses that term....
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Well, that's how taxes work....
Ironically that's also how socialism works. And some people bitch if anyone uses that term....
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Ironically that's also how socialism works. And some people bitch if anyone uses that term....
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It's how any system of government works?
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Or both? Feed the elderly to those under thirty
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Ironically that's also how socialism works. And some people bitch if anyone uses that term....
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It's how any system of government works?
not necessarily but I'm sure it's reasonably widespread. I just mentioned that because if someone calls someone else a socialist usually it pisses them off.It's how any system of government works?
my personal take is that have no beef what so ever helping out people who need help. I think they should be somewhat grateful for the help and strive to get back on their feet as soon as possible just from a morality standpoint.
I also believe that they should be glad to do whatever busy work they can in return for that help. And it does bother me when people who are actually needy can barely survive while generation after generation of able bodied deadbeats refuse to do anything.
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not necessarily but I'm sure it's reasonably widespread. I just mentioned that because if someone calls someone else a socialist usually it pisses them off.It's how any system of government works?
my personal take is that have no beef what so ever helping out people who need help. I think they should be somewhat grateful for the help and strive to get back on their feet as soon as possible just from a morality standpoint.
I also believe that they should be glad to do whatever busy work they can in return for that help. And it does bother me when people who are actually needy can barely survive while generation after generation of able bodied deadbeats refuse to do anything.
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not necessarily but I'm sure it's reasonably widespread. I just mentioned that because if someone calls someone else a socialist usually it pisses them off.
my personal take is that have no beef what so ever helping out people who need help. I think they should be somewhat grateful for the help and strive to get back on their feet as soon as possible just from a morality standpoint.
I also believe that they should be glad to do whatever busy work they can in return for that help. And it does bother me when people who are actually needy can barely survive while generation after generation of able bodied deadbeats refuse to do anything.
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Trust me, that's not just a US problem, we have the same debates here. It's actually one of the biggest issues when it come to election time, benefits. I have no doubt that there are plenty of able bodied people out there not *willing* to find work because they have a cushy enough life living on handouts, and those people deserve nothing.
On the other hand, there are people out there who *cannot* find work, either physically/mentally unable to do so, or just nobody will hire them. If those people don't get the handouts, they won't be able to survive.
Recently the idea of working for benefits has been floated, and I generally support it, as long as it isn't detrimental to local economy - think Shawshank with the prison workers underbidding on every contract. It's no good forcing those people on benefits to work if it means more people are unemployed and claiming benefits.
In another twist, we also have the issue of EU migrants that we can't legally reject, being able to claim benefits, making Britain a potential 'benefit tourism' destination.
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We should start the poor houses again, like in scrooge. Gruel, and a bed.
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We should start the poor houses again, like in scrooge. Gruel, and a bed.
We should start the poor houses again, like in scrooge. Gruel, and a bed.
But some would rather die!
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Off topic, but the disability system in this country is out of wack. I would wager many people receive disability payments who are not actually disabled. There are so many driving with the blue disabled placard that there aren't enough parking spots. My brother has one because his knee joints are practically gone and he can never find a parking spot, usually some fat woman waddles out of the car and takes it. Yes, they actually hand them out now for being a fat ass.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Off topic, but the disability system in this country is out of wack. I would wager many people receive disability payments who are not actually disabled. There are so many driving with the blue disabled placard that there aren't enough parking spots. My brother has one because his knee joints are practically gone and he can never find a parking spot, usually some fat woman waddles out of the car and takes it. Yes, they actually hand them out now for being a fat ass.
Off topic, but the disability system in this country is out of wack. I would wager many people receive disability payments who are not actually disabled. There are so many driving with the blue disabled placard that there aren't enough parking spots. My brother has one because his knee joints are practically gone and he can never find a parking spot, usually some fat woman waddles out of the car and takes it. Yes, they actually hand them out now for being a fat ass.
I hate that. No doubt, some people are fat because they're disabled and don't adjust their eating habits, but being fat in itself isn't a disability. If you can't walk 200m because of your obesity then there's something extremely wrong with you, and a blue sticker isn't the answer.
You have to really work at being this fat, generally:
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So Chris if you were king (a proper King not a figurehead) do you require those on the dole to do such work as they can or not?
As far as disability I know a few people who are actually disabled and a few who could most certainly handle productive employment. The biggest complaint of the latter group? That they can't get unlimited oxycodone like they used to.
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In general terms, yes. But it's difficult to ensure that everyone is what they say they are. Some people are clearly going to game the system so as to not work. That's where the difficulty lies. So you get people to check up on them - how many people? At a certain point it becomes more cost effective to just allow the cheaters to cheat than pay people to check up on them.
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I know three people personally that are on permanent disability for anxiety. Anxiety. Anxiety is the human condition. I don't think anyone here could say they don't have anxiety. To let it keep an able bodied person from working, ever, is unfathomable to me.
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In general terms, yes. But it's difficult to ensure that everyone is what they say they are. Some people are clearly going to game the system so as to not work. That's where the difficulty lies. So you get people to check up on them - how many people? At a certain point it becomes more cost effective to just allow the cheaters to cheat than pay people to check up on them.
it doesn't seem like that grand a task. I'm sure there's something that everyone even the most disabled could do for a few hours a day. I'd guess most of them could do a reasonably normal job but even the really disabled ones should be able to sit and watch a door or something. As I said busy work. Just annoying enough that they have to go do it, not that it's particularly hard.In general terms, yes. But it's difficult to ensure that everyone is what they say they are. Some people are clearly going to game the system so as to not work. That's where the difficulty lies. So you get people to check up on them - how many people? At a certain point it becomes more cost effective to just allow the cheaters to cheat than pay people to check up on them.
And it's not about the money. We don't spend that much on welfare considering. It's just that the numbers are going to grow by leaps and bounds it's just the idea that these people will be damaged for generations and there will be more of them. Just because a standard of living is beneath you or me doesn't mean that someone else couldn't live that way without a problem. Hell there are people born raised and die in Somalia without committing suicide.
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Off topic, but the disability system in this country is out of wack. I would wager many people receive disability payments who are not actually disabled. There are so many driving with the blue disabled placard that there aren't enough parking spots. My brother has one because his knee joints are practically gone and he can never find a parking spot, usually some fat woman waddles out of the car and takes it. Yes, they actually hand them out now for being a fat ass.
Off topic, but the disability system in this country is out of wack. I would wager many people receive disability payments who are not actually disabled. There are so many driving with the blue disabled placard that there aren't enough parking spots. My brother has one because his knee joints are practically gone and he can never find a parking spot, usually some fat woman waddles out of the car and takes it. Yes, they actually hand them out now for being a fat ass.
The state of WV has to be the tops per capita for people gaming the disability system. Seriously, you get more people in 10 with "back injuries" or "nerve problems" than any other place i have been. They game the system and then teach their kids how to do it.
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How much govt. money is lost to these "slugs" that are gaming the system?
How much potential govt. money is lost by the rich and companies gaming the tax code?
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How much govt. money is lost to these "slugs" that are gaming the system?
How much potential govt. money is lost by the rich and companies gaming the tax code?
How much govt. money is lost to these "slugs" that are gaming the system?
How much potential govt. money is lost by the rich and companies gaming the tax code?
You won't see me arguing for either group. They are both scumbags.
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I would wager to guess one of those numbers is a good amount higher than the other
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Not only that, logic, but for those of us fortunate enough do not have to work a day job and can stay home and watch Judge Judy it's easy to see the number of law firms that specialize in getting disability benefits. They advertise on TV during the time that musicians and unemployed people are watching. It really has skyrocketed the last 6 years. Hmm I wonder why?
By the way woody, what are those evil rich people doing to make all that money? You'll have to give me an example.
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