QB is the TOP Pick. What Happens if the Hoyer Experiment Fails?
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I guess my point is, that I dont believe Hoyer is the answer. I also think these QBs are a helluva lot better than both of you are giving them credit for. Suck it up boys, were getting one of em.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I guess my point is, that I dont believe Hoyer is the answer. I also think these QBs are a helluva lot better than both of you are giving them credit for. Suck it up boys, were getting one of em.
way to be firm behind your convictions.
who and where if you're so smart?
that's like me saying, 'we're going to pick a CB!"
at least diehard calls JF although i guess he's saying we're picking him @4.
hey, he could be right, i could be right, but call your fucking shot!
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Farmer & Pettine will make up their OWN minds (may have already!). What I don't get is how some of you folks think that just because a QB is rated #1, #2, #3, etc in THIS draft, he's ELITE????? There are concerns with all these QBs this year. There is NO Peyton or Andrew in this draft. There MAY be a Tom or Russell (or we may already have him), but we don't know that & I sure as hell wouldn't trade up for ANY of these QBs this year. IMHO, trade down if anything. I trust these pro's ability to make the right decision.
As someone posted earlier, don't break the bank on a question mark, fill needs, then trade picks down the road when we can afford to do that.
None of us really know what'll happen, so I'm just gonna sit back & enjoy the ride with Farmer & Pettine driving. Then I'll support the Browns Team they put on the field.
Mike
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I guess my point is, that I dont believe Hoyer is the answer. I also think these QBs are a helluva lot better than both of you are giving them credit for. Suck it up boys, were getting one of em.
way to be firm behind your convictions.
who and where if you're so smart?
that's like me saying, 'we're going to pick a CB!"
at least diehard calls JF although i guess he's saying we're picking him @4.
hey, he could be right, i could be right, but call your fucking shot!
hahaha I think Id go with Manziel, Bortles, Bridgewater, but theyre all real close. I would pass on em all at 4, and be trying real hard to get into the teens if Bortles or Manziel fell. I would take any at 26, Carr and Garroppolo (sp?) enter into the equation at 35. I think its an absolute certainty we end up with one of those 5.way to be firm behind your convictions.
who and where if you're so smart?
that's like me saying, 'we're going to pick a CB!"
at least diehard calls JF although i guess he's saying we're picking him @4.
hey, he could be right, i could be right, but call your fucking shot!
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With Houston trading Schaub...I think that's a dead giveaway they're taking a QB. Manziel or Bortles. They will probably still try to sign a vet somewhere but I think it's a lock they go qb. Which means.......Mack and/or Clowney have a definite chance of still being there at 4. I think the 4th pick is going to be easy for Farmer...he's just taking the BPA plain and simple. Even though we don't have an immediate need there, I would not be surprised to see us take Clowney if he's there at 4. However, we can also do a nasty nasty nasty trade down with someone for Clowney as well. There are some good teams that perennially pick late in the 1st round who might theoretically be willing to part with 1st round picks for a few years to come for Clowney. Just a thought. If nobody's willing to do that though, take him. Let Sheard and Kruger no that another combined 8-10 sack year isn't going to cut it on this defense when two guys out in KC had that many sacks between them after week 2 or 3. I know a lot of you aren't high on taking Clowney but ffs you could have a rotation at OLB that looks like Kruger/Sheard and Clowney/Mingo. Obviously cap wise one of those guys is going to become expendable at some point in the future but holy fuck....what a good rotation to have to develop Clowney and Mingo.
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mack would probably fit into pettine/o'brien's scheme as a plug and play guy day one BUT if he's not there i'm hoping someone rings the browns' phone off the hook.
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Farmer & Pettine will make up their OWN minds (may have already!). What I don't get is how some of you folks think that just because a QB is rated #1, #2, #3, etc in THIS draft, he's ELITE????? There are concerns with all these QBs this year. There is NO Peyton or Andrew in this draft. There MAY be a Tom or Russell (or we may already have him), but we don't know that & I sure as hell wouldn't trade up for ANY of these QBs this year. IMHO, trade down if anything. I trust these pro's ability to make the right decision.
As someone posted earlier, don't break the bank on a question mark, fill needs, then trade picks down the road when we can afford to do that.
None of us really know what'll happen, so I'm just gonna sit back & enjoy the ride with Farmer & Pettine driving. Then I'll support the Browns Team they put on the field.
Mike
Farmer & Pettine will make up their OWN minds (may have already!). What I don't get is how some of you folks think that just because a QB is rated #1, #2, #3, etc in THIS draft, he's ELITE????? There are concerns with all these QBs this year. There is NO Peyton or Andrew in this draft. There MAY be a Tom or Russell (or we may already have him), but we don't know that & I sure as hell wouldn't trade up for ANY of these QBs this year. IMHO, trade down if anything. I trust these pro's ability to make the right decision.
As someone posted earlier, don't break the bank on a question mark, fill needs, then trade picks down the road when we can afford to do that.
None of us really know what'll happen, so I'm just gonna sit back & enjoy the ride with Farmer & Pettine driving. Then I'll support the Browns Team they put on the field.
Mike
Your're forgetting the other decision maker on this team........Jimmy H. My bet is Jimmy wants a QB in this draft, and I suspect he would prefer one
that tore up the best of the SEC.
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Farmer & Pettine will make up their OWN minds (may have already!). What I don't get is how some of you folks think that just because a QB is rated #1, #2, #3, etc in THIS draft, he's ELITE????? There are concerns with all these QBs this year. There is NO Peyton or Andrew in this draft. There MAY be a Tom or Russell (or we may already have him), but we don't know that & I sure as hell wouldn't trade up for ANY of these QBs this year. IMHO, trade down if anything. I trust these pro's ability to make the right decision.
As someone posted earlier, don't break the bank on a question mark, fill needs, then trade picks down the road when we can afford to do that.
None of us really know what'll happen, so I'm just gonna sit back & enjoy the ride with Farmer & Pettine driving. Then I'll support the Browns Team they put on the field.
Mike
Your're forgetting the other decision maker on this team........Jimmy H. My bet is Jimmy wants a QB in this draft, and I suspect he would prefer one
that tore up the best of the SEC.
Your're forgetting the other decision maker on this team........Jimmy H. My bet is Jimmy wants a QB in this draft, and I suspect he would prefer one
that tore up the best of the SEC.
and he also hired a guy to do the job as GM and build a team that will field the best results.
not bet it all on some yahoo.
would you want your job resting on JF?
let's meet back here same time next year and see who says what then.
i might be calling you a genious or you be saying i was right. we'll see.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
in your opinion. EJ Manuel would be behind the top 3 this year. Mariota = Manziel. Winston may play baseball. Were in position, and need a highly rated QB. Not sure why people are so against the QBs this year.....
Agreed. It is my opinion. But they all have red flags. While I know the Browns can't keep "waiting till next year" for a quarterback, I'd rather them not waste a draft pick either. I would rather they fill in all the pieces.
Mariotta definitely does not equal Manziel. Faster, Bigger/Taller, more fluid, better decision making, doesn't panic in the pocket. ( also just my opinion ... but that's what I see ).
But next year also has Hundley from UCLA ( who I also really like ), Petty from Baylor, etc.
I'm not against QB this year. Just not at 4. Again, I think they're better taking a guy in the middle rounds, and let him sit and learn, etc. Whether that's Garapolo, Murray ( undersized ), McCarron, etc.
This is similar to what I've been thinking, pick up BPA (hopefully in positions in need) with our 1a,1b picks, then draft McCarron with our 2nd rd. or one of our 3rds, maybe even move back up into the bottom of the 2nd and pick him up there. Now I know a lot of people aren't all that high on the guy, but something just tells me the guy is gonna be a steal. Also if I'm not mistaken, I heard he tore it up at Alabama's pro day.I'm not against QB this year. Just not at 4. Again, I think they're better taking a guy in the middle rounds, and let him sit and learn, etc. Whether that's Garapolo, Murray ( undersized ), McCarron, etc.
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This is similar to what I've been thinking, pick up BPA (hopefully in positions in need) with our 1a,1b picks, then draft McCarron with our 2nd rd. or one of our 3rds, maybe even move back up into the bottom of the 2nd and pick him up there. Now I know a lot of people aren't all that high on the guy, but something just tells me the guy is gonna be a steal. Also if I'm not mistaken, I heard he tore it up at Alabama's pro day.I'm not against QB this year. Just not at 4. Again, I think they're better taking a guy in the middle rounds, and let him sit and learn, etc. Whether that's Garapolo, Murray ( undersized ), McCarron, etc.
This is similar to what I've been thinking, pick up BPA (hopefully in positions in need) with our 1a,1b picks, then draft McCarron with our 2nd rd. or one of our 3rds, maybe even move back up into the bottom of the 2nd and pick him up there. Now I know a lot of people aren't all that high on the guy, but something just tells me the guy is gonna be a steal. Also if I'm not mistaken, I heard he tore it up at Alabama's pro day.
looked solid at the combine as well.
the guy is big game tested.
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@Canton Mike
Peyton had way hurtin' numbers his rookie season and anyone saying at the time he was a potential HOFer was thought to have lost their minds.
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Your're forgetting the other decision maker on this team........Jimmy H. My bet is Jimmy wants a QB in this draft, and I suspect he would prefer one
that tore up the best of the SEC.
and he also hired a guy to do the job as GM and build a team that will field the best results.
not bet it all on some yahoo.
would you want your job resting on JF?
let's meet back here same time next year and see who says what then.
i might be calling you a genious or you be saying i was right. we'll see.
and he also hired a guy to do the job as GM and build a team that will field the best results.
not bet it all on some yahoo.
would you want your job resting on JF?
let's meet back here same time next year and see who says what then.
i might be calling you a genious or you be saying i was right. we'll see.
If I were the GM and the owner said get me JF, then I'd damn well get him. Sometimes you have the let the sphincter loosen up and pull the trigger when you have the guy in your sights thats going to bring this team back to glory despite what the naysayers think.
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This is similar to what I've been thinking, pick up BPA (hopefully in positions in need) with our 1a,1b picks, then draft McCarron with our 2nd rd. or one of our 3rds, maybe even move back up into the bottom of the 2nd and pick him up there. Now I know a lot of people aren't all that high on the guy, but something just tells me the guy is gonna be a steal. Also if I'm not mistaken, I heard he tore it up at Alabama's pro day.I'm not against QB this year. Just not at 4. Again, I think they're better taking a guy in the middle rounds, and let him sit and learn, etc. Whether that's Garapolo, Murray ( undersized ), McCarron, etc.
This is similar to what I've been thinking, pick up BPA (hopefully in positions in need) with our 1a,1b picks, then draft McCarron with our 2nd rd. or one of our 3rds, maybe even move back up into the bottom of the 2nd and pick him up there. Now I know a lot of people aren't all that high on the guy, but something just tells me the guy is gonna be a steal. Also if I'm not mistaken, I heard he tore it up at Alabama's pro day.
I agree, except I doubt McCarron would be there after our 35 pick & he MAY be gone then. I also like Garoppolo in the 2nd or 3rd & wouldn't mind Murray, butnot until the 4th.
Mike
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There isn't a worthwhile QB to take in the first round! If you think there is you smoking fucking crack and need to get off the flavor off the weeks jock so you quit embarrassing yourselves. JF, BB or any other one that you people are so fucking on your knees mouth wide open are not worth the 4'th, 26th or the first pick in the second round. Your probably the same trash that was wanting to pick Quinn over Thomas in 07.
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@Canton Mike
Peyton had way hurtin' numbers his rookie season and anyone saying at the time he was a potential HOFer was thought to have lost their minds.
@Canton Mike
Peyton had way hurtin' numbers his rookie season and anyone saying at the time he was a potential HOFer was thought to have lost their minds.
I'm sorry, but you just made a RIDICULOUS statement!
We were not talking about 1st SEASONS. The draft happens BEFORE that, remember? Peyton Manning was definitely classed as "elite" pre draft & has proven that true. Don't come off with that "rookie season" shit with me.
Mike
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@Canton Mike
Peyton had way hurtin' numbers his rookie season and anyone saying at the time he was a potential HOFer was thought to have lost their minds.
I'm sorry, but you just made a RIDICULOUS statement!
We were not talking about 1st SEASONS. The draft happens BEFORE that, remember? Peyton Manning was definitely classed as "elite" pre draft & has proven that true. Don't come off with that "rookie season" shit with me.
Mike
I'm sorry, but you just made a RIDICULOUS statement!
We were not talking about 1st SEASONS. The draft happens BEFORE that, remember? Peyton Manning was definitely classed as elite pre draft & has proven that true. Don't come off with that "rookiet season" shit with me.
Mike
Yea Peyton was #1 overall for a reason and proved that to be a good pick.
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There isn't a worthwhile QB to take in the first round! If you think there is you smoking fucking crack and need to get off the flavor off the weeks jock so you quit embarrassing yourselves. JF, BB or any other one that you people are so fucking on your knees mouth wide open are not worth the 4'th, 26th or the first pick in the second round. Your probably the same trash that was wanting to pick Quinn over Thomas in 07.
There isn't a worthwhile QB to take in the first round! If you think there is you smoking fucking crack and need to get off the flavor off the weeks jock so you quit embarrassing yourselves. JF, BB or any other one that you people are so fucking on your knees mouth wide open are not worth the 4'th, 26th or the first pick in the second round. Your probably the same trash that was wanting to pick Quinn over Thomas in 07.
I bow down to you expertise. Pardon me for having an opinion influenced by crack.
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@Canton Mike
Peyton had way hurtin' numbers his rookie season and anyone saying at the time he was a potential HOFer was thought to have lost their minds.
I'm sorry, but you just made a RIDICULOUS statement!
We were not talking about 1st SEASONS. The draft happens BEFORE that, remember? Peyton Manning was definitely classed as "elite" pre draft & has proven that true. Don't come off with that "rookie season" shit with me.
Mike
Noted.I'm sorry, but you just made a RIDICULOUS statement!
We were not talking about 1st SEASONS. The draft happens BEFORE that, remember? Peyton Manning was definitely classed as "elite" pre draft & has proven that true. Don't come off with that "rookie season" shit with me.
Mike
Maybe try to relax. My 'Peyton' comment was only meant to differentiate Peyton from Luck...whom had way better rookie numbers than Peyton regardless of where they were drafted.
Otherwise I totally agree with your comment that includes the Luck/Peyton reference.
Farmer & Pettine will make up their OWN minds (may have already!). What I don't get is how some of you folks think that just because a QB is rated #1, #2, #3, etc in THIS draft, he's ELITE????? There are concerns with all these QBs this year. There is NO Peyton or Andrew in this draft. There MAY be a Tom or Russell (or we may already have him), but we don't know that & I sure as hell wouldn't trade up for ANY of these QBs this year. IMHO, trade down if anything. I trust these pro's ability to make the right decision.
As someone posted earlier, don't break the bank on a question mark, fill needs, then trade picks down the road when we can afford to do that.
None of us really know what'll happen, so I'm just gonna sit back & enjoy the ride with Farmer & Pettine driving. Then I'll support the Browns Team they put on the field.
Mike
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Hoyer failing is as likely as Gordon failing a piss test. If that happens I don't give a shot who we have at QB we aren't winning any ball games.
I just don't see a superstar QB worthy of a 4 in the draft. Bortles maybe? That really only if Watkins is gone.
So basically, you don't think we have a shot of improving next season at all? Is that where others are coming from too?
So basically, you don't think we have a shot of improving next season at all? Is that where others are coming from too?
Not sure where you made that connection? Are you just trying to make it for into you're argument against not picking a QB at 4?
I definitely think we could be better, we could also be a wash and break about where we did this year. There are a lot of holes that need filled.
To the point you've been making through the thread. I think taking a QB at 4 -IS- taking a flyer, not drafting Watkins/Mack. This year there are no 'sure things' at QB but there are at OT, WR, LB. Bortles. Manziel and Bridge could suck balls like Weeden did and McCarron and Garropollo could become studs like Flacco and Wilson.
I don't think drafting Watkins is taking a flyer nor is drafting Mack, drafting 1 of the 3 QBs is taking a flyer. It's a decision F&P might make but I still think it's a flyer.
I want them to draft Watkins instead of a QB because I think they could be really good next year and the immediate future. If I wanted them to draft a QB it would be because I don't think they will be much for the next year or two and they can throw those to grooming a rookie QB.
Hope that cleared things up.
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and he also hired a guy to do the job as GM and build a team that will field the best results.
not bet it all on some yahoo.
would you want your job resting on JF?
let's meet back here same time next year and see who says what then.
i might be calling you a genious or you be saying i was right. we'll see.
If I were the GM and the owner said get me JF, then I'd damn well get him. Sometimes you have the let the sphincter loosen up and pull the trigger when you have the guy in your sights thats going to bring this team back to glory despite what the naysayers think.
LOL @ Mike... you know you can't quit us... (and I'm not channeling Brokeback anything...)
Nice to see all the McCarron lovers blooming with the spring flowers. Where y'all been?
If I were the GM and the owner said get me JF, then I'd damn well get him. Sometimes you have the let the sphincter loosen up and pull the trigger when you have the guy in your sights thats going to bring this team back to glory despite what the naysayers think.
Here's the thing... Jimmy would never say "get me JF". How do I know? Because Haslam has proven he is not the 2nd coming of Jerry Jones (thank God).
He just ran off two guys who were feeding him BS and put a real football guy in charge of his "personnel" department... Farmer. I have no doubt that Farmer did not stick around here to take personnel orders from Haslam.
Haslam will set the franchise goals and approve the budget, He will not dictate the means of achieving the goals. It's what real businessmen do.
If JF lands in CLE, then it will be because in Farmer's judgment, he's the guy.
I don't see it happening... I would not like it... but I would accept it. Ditto for any of the other so-called "top prospects" in the 2014 draft.
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LOL @ Mike... you know you can't quit us... (and I'm not channeling Brokeback anything...)
Nice to see all the McCarron lovers blooming with the spring flowers. Where y'all been?
If I were the GM and the owner said get me JF, then I'd damn well get him. Sometimes you have the let the sphincter loosen up and pull the trigger when you have the guy in your sights thats going to bring this team back to glory despite what the naysayers think.
Here's the thing... Jimmy would never say "get me JF". How do I know? Because Haslam has proven he is not the 2nd coming of Jerry Jones (thank God).
He just ran off two guys who were feeding him BS and put a real football guy in charge of his "personnel" department... Farmer. I have no doubt that Farmer did not stick around here to take personnel orders from Haslam.
Haslam will set the franchise goals and approve the budget, He will not dictate the means of achieving the goals. It's what real businessmen do.
If JF lands in CLE, then it will be because in Farmer's judgment, he's the guy.
I don't see it happening... I would not like it... but I would accept it. Ditto for any of the other so-called "top prospects" in the 2014 draft.
LOL @ Mike... you know you can't quit us... (and I'm not channeling Brokeback anything...)
Nice to see all the McCarron lovers blooming with the spring flowers. Where y'all been?
Here's the thing... Jimmy would never say "get me JF". How do I know? Because Haslam has proven he is not the 2nd coming of Jerry Jones (thank God).
He just ran off two guys who were feeding him BS and put a real football guy in charge of his "personnel" department... Farmer. I have no doubt that Farmer did not stick around here to take personnel orders from Haslam.
Haslam will set the franchise goals and approve the budget, He will not dictate the means of achieving the goals. It's what real businessmen do.
If JF lands in CLE, then it will be because in Farmer's judgment, he's the guy.
I don't see it happening... I would not like it... but I would accept it. Ditto for any of the other so-called "top prospects" in the 2014 draft.
this 100%.
i'd have to root for anyone that's on the roster to make the browns better.
doesn't mean i won't have the 'Please get better soon Johnny' or 'Please God let Johnny walk again!' tshirts in full production the first time he gets carried off with the field spitting out teeth and grass. (moneymaker hollar!).
just kidding. hey the kid might be lights out. if he lands here don't expect me to be a gay JF fan like a lot of you already are. like dress up like him with a girl's wig on, fake freckles and a short brown skirt chuggin beer from a keg and smokin blunts. nope those days are long gone. HA!
i have a feeling we'll be watching JF's maturation process from afar. unless farmer has the meanest poker face in town.
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