Grossi's Mock - thoughts on Robinson/Shazier

Flyin J

Get over Hyde, thats not happening now.

Unsympathetic

Why? We don't have a NFL-caliber backup on the roster

mdmusch

I would love Robinson on this team. He and Clowney seem like the only two players who have potential to become the best at their position in the NFL.

Also with Thomas at LT and Robinson at RT (possibly LG, remember Cooper went 7 strictly as a guard) for the next four years would be amazing. Then he could take over at LT.

calfoxwc

The argument that Robinson could take over at LT, if Joe Thomas, God forbid,

got hurt...

is a good one. But to play at RT?

Can't beat the dramatic impact of a Khalil Mack or Watkins.

hoorta

@the-gipper said:
So? Does this mean you will let Ghoolie back on?

No absolutely not- at least in the foreseeable future. I occasionally e-mail him, and he's quite content to ignore the current state of the Browns. More interested in music and bowling. I don't subscribe to his fatass o-line theory, but in that much he's correct. The only team that ever pulled off the almost all 1st round OL stunt successfully was the Tennessee Titans when they made their Super Bowl run.

@unsympathetic said:

#4 will be either WR or QB. To even suggest otherwise is ridiculous and insanity. QB is by far the most important position on offense.

Yes, we need guards.. but the gap between a 4th round guard [Dozier from Furman] and Robinson is not as much as the gap between both [Watkins and Greg Drops-A-Lot] and [bortles/Manziel and Hoyer]

Yes, OL and QB are the key.. but this draft we need to replace too many positions.

We need QB/WR from our 2 picks in the first.. if QB at the 4, then we need one of the remaining WR's later. If Watkins at the 4, then Carr later. Then Hyde in the 2nd. I can see going G with one of the picks in the 3rd.. OK, fine... but not before.

Almost totally agree- if we take Mack or Clowney @ #4, it won't upset me at all- they're the defensive equivalents of Watkins, though I worry about Clowney's motor. MHO is it's almost a forgone conclusion the Texans will take Bortles- and no, the Browns aren't selling the ranch to move up to #1 to get him.

XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Get over Hyde, thats not happening now.

100% correctamundo. Tate is a Hyde clone- why would we need two of them? If we take a back in the second round give me Tre Mason.

@mdmusch said:

I would love Robinson on this team. He and Clowney seem like the only two players who have potential to become the best at their position in the NFL.

Also with Thomas at LT and Robinson at RT (possibly LG, remember Cooper went 7 strictly as a guard) for the next four years would be amazing. Then he could take over at LT.

No, no, and NOOOO!!! Robinson would be an utter luxury pick for a team that has way too many glaring holes. #2 WR, #2CB, ILB, QB OTF. The only reason you ever draft a OT at #4 is to play left tackle, not right tackle. We happen to have one of the best LTs in the business playing there now- Joe Thomas. Sammy Watkins would have 10X the immediate impact on the Browns offense than plugging in the best RT in the NFL ever would.

DownSouthKC

@unsympathetic said:
Why? We don't have a NFL-caliber backup on the roster

Great, draft a back up in round 4 or beyond. Like you said 'we have a lot of holes' and drafting a back up RB in the 2nd when we need a G and ILB and CB isn't smart.

Clevedog

Hey guys, first post here! I've chosen to just creep and read for a long time but figured I would start sharing my blog here since I just posted my Mock 1.0. I like Shazier quite a bit but would definitely see him at ILB. However, I think Robinson is overrated personally and think Matthews is actually better than him. Anyway check it out and see what you think! GO BROWNS. #SUPERBOWL

Clevedog Blog

ballpeen

@tour2ma said:

I think Yankey may well be there at #35... he's just a bit of a reach at 26.

On the other hand, if either Zach Martin or Xavier SuaFallaDowna is there at 26 nab 'em. Odds are not good that thet will be tho...

EDIT: and Grossi's Robinson/ Shazier idea is just stupid...

The thing is, if Yankey is the guy you want, then you take him because he won't be there the next go around. First, it wouldn't be such a reach it would be considered gross. Saying a guy would have been there 10 picks later is a bit foolish.

I had a baseball draft last night and drafted 3rd....that is great except you kind of get upside down on the way back...at one point after the 3rd round, it was like a punted a round and starting selecting the players I wanted a round early. The only point in that is that it is OK if the Browns select a guy who is rated at the top of round 2 and take him at the bottom of round 1.

I even go so far as to say if Grappolo is a target at the top of round three but we are sweating he might get taken at the bottom of round 2....seeing the importance of the position and we are convinced he is our guy, just pull the plug and take him at the top of round 2. I might not do that with other positions, but would with QB.

RoyceRolls

@tour2ma said:

I think Yankey may well be there at #35... he's just a bit of a reach at 26.

On the other hand, if either Zach Martin or Xavier SuaFallaDowna is there at 26 nab 'em. Odds are not good that thet will be tho...

EDIT: and Grossi's Robinson/ Shazier idea is just stupid...

Remember when Reiff and DeCastro were both supposed to go in the top 15? They both ended up being available when the Browns chose to go with Weeden at 22.

Lets also not forget that we still have over a month and a half until draft day. You are spot on about Grossi's terrible mock draft though.

@ballpeen said:

The thing is, if Yankey is the guy you want, then you take him because he won't be there the next go around. First, it wouldn't be such a reach it would be considered gross. Saying a guy would have been there 10 picks later is a bit foolish.

I had a baseball draft last night and drafted 3rd....that is great except you kind of get upside down on the way back...at one point after the 3rd round, it was like a punted a round and starting selecting the players I wanted a round early. The only point in that is that it is OK if the Browns select a guy who is rated at the top of round 2 and take him at the bottom of round 1.

I even go so far as to say if Grappolo is a target at the top of round three but we are sweating he might get taken at the bottom of round 2....seeing the importance of the position and we are convinced he is our guy, just pull the plug and take him at the top of round 2. I might not do that with other positions, but would with QB.

Farmer said (paraphrasing) all the work, second-guessing and consternation will be in getting the board in place. Once the big board is set they'll stick to it.

Tour2ma

@ballpeen said:

The thing is, if Yankey is the guy you want, then you take him because he won't be there the next go around. First, it wouldn't be such a reach it would be considered gross. Saying a guy would have been there 10 picks later is a bit foolish.

I had a baseball draft last night and drafted 3rd....that is great except you kind of get upside down on the way back...at one point after the 3rd round, it was like a punted a round and starting selecting the players I wanted a round early. The only point in that is that it is OK if the Browns select a guy who is rated at the top of round 2 and take him at the bottom of round 1.

Agree... nothing obscene with drafting Yankey at 26... also nothing obscene with drafting someone else there at 26 and spending a 3rd rounder to move our #35 up a bit to take Yankey.

Also agree that the later the round, the broader the range is of acceptable pick(s) spent for any given player.

It all depends on your board and your estimate of other teams' intent... and the latter is what makes the draft so fascinating.

@roycerolls said:
Remember when Reiff and DeCastro were both supposed to go in the top 15? They both ended up being available when the Browns chose to go with Weeden at 22.

Remember it well... voice just recovered from yelling "IDIOTS!" at the TV in 2012...

FSG

@cleinchi said:

This weeks edition of Tony Grossi's mock draft (which annoyingly stops at #26) has the Browns picking up Greg Robinson at #4 (with brownsboard favorites Sammy Watkins and Khalil Mack still on the board).

At #26 he has them picking up Ryan Shazier (in previous installments he has mentioned him playing as an uber athletic inside linebacker).

What does everyone think?

A link to the mock can be found at http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=30001

Looking forward to hearing everyone's thoughts,

CLEinCHI

Is this the same Tony Grossi that Gave the Steelers an "F" draft grade for 2004, drafting Ben Roethlisberger and calling him the next Tim Couch.

Is this the same Tony Grossi that said the Steelers would be lucky to finish 3rd in the AFC North and were in decline, when they were AFC North Champions, AFC Champions and were a drive away from winning the Super Bowl?

Is this the same Tony Grossi who said the Steelers were in Decline because Dan Rooney was no longer around, taking the job of Ambassador to Ireland in 2009, when he turned over the running of the franchise to his son in 2002 --- a sportswriter who doesn't even know who the owners of the division opponents are?

Is this the same Tony Grossi who was fired and stripped of his Hall of Fame vote?

Go ahead and listen to him, he just tells you what you wish was true, despite the fact he is a misinformed idiot.

The Gipper

@fsg said:

Is this the same Tony Grossi that Gave the Steelers an "F" draft grade for 2004, drafting Ben Roethlisberger and calling him the next Tim Couch.

Is this the same Tony Grossi that said the Steelers would be lucky to finish 3rd in the AFC North and were in decline, when they were AFC North Champions, AFC Champions and were a drive away from winning the Super Bowl?

Is this the same Tony Grossi who said the Steelers were in Decline because Dan Rooney was no longer around, taking the job of Ambassador to Ireland in 2009, when he turned over the running of the franchise to his son in 2002 --- a sportswriter who doesn't even know who the owners of the division opponents are?

Is this the same Tony Grossi who was fired and stripped of his Hall of Fame vote?

Go ahead and listen to him, he just tells you what you wish was true, despite the fact he is a misinformed idiot.

No, it isn't because this Tony Grossi didn't say any of those things......and the Tony Grossi we know still is the Cleveland rep for the HOF voting.

So, I guess we know who the misinformed idiot is.

Bummie

I'm jumping in this late, but Robinson/Shazier would be solid, especially if Houston goes QB with th first pick (though I think they hope to go Clowney/Garoppolo). Robinson should (barring any serious injuries) be a franchise OT for us, right or left side, and I just offered a bet to a buddy, who is also a Browns fan, on the success of Shazier. I think thrown on the inside, he has a hall of fame career. That should back up my reasoning behind those two, and I'd take it all day, even if it meant not getting a QB rated higher than McCarron.

Clevfan4life

no on shazier. I thought he got outmuscled way too much at OH. He's more of a 4-3 OLB than a 3-4 ILB. He obviously has the athleticism to bring himself up to 34 ILB but he ain't there now. I'd rather take Mosley if he's there or the LB'ers from Wisconsin and Michigan St. Don't remember their names right now.

miktoxic

@tour2ma said:
Remember it well... voice just recovered from yelling "IDIOTS!" at the TV in 2012...

must have been in the same room. TR and weeds.

bust and double bust.

cvcanedy

Hahaha

@mike-h said:
I knew it. Mik's from the future

Bummie

@clevfan4life said:
no on shazier. I thought he got outmuscled way too much at OH. He's more of a 4-3 OLB than a 3-4 ILB. He obviously has the athleticism to bring himself up to 34 ILB but he ain't there now. I'd rather take Mosley if he's there or the LB'ers from Wisconsin and Michigan St. Don't remember their names right now.

He's more athletic than Patrick Willis was coming out of college and is only 5 lbs lighter. I mentioned in another thread that he could use up to 20 lbs, but in reality, 5-10 would do him just fine. At his size, I think he did very well at OSU playing a position he was undersized for. Great tackler, who rarely misses. Mosley will be a better candidate for his first year and MAYBE his second year, but once aquainted with the position, I'd put my money on Shazier as the guy whom would most impact our D. Plus, Mosley will likely be gone at 26.

Clevfan4life

@bummie said:

He's more athletic than Patrick Willis was coming out of college and is only 5 lbs lighter. I mentioned in another thread that he could use up to 20 lbs, but in reality, 5-10 would do him just fine. At his size, I think he did very well at OSU playing a position he was undersized for. Great tackler, who rarely misses. Mosley will be a better candidate for his first year and MAYBE his second year, but once aquainted with the position, I'd put my money on Shazier as the guy whom would most impact our D. Plus, Mosley will likely be gone at 26.

While I still think Mack could end up being the best ILB to come out for a couple years, as far as ILB'ers go I'd take Mosley/Borland/Bulloch over Shazier.

hoorta

@bummie said:

He's more athletic than Patrick Willis was coming out of college and is only 5 lbs lighter. I mentioned in another thread that he could use up to 20 lbs, but in reality, 5-10 would do him just fine. At his size, I think he did very well at OSU playing a position he was undersized for. Great tackler, who rarely misses. Mosley will be a better candidate for his first year and MAYBE his second year, but once aquainted with the position, I'd put my money on Shazier as the guy whom would most impact our D. Plus, Mosley will likely be gone at 26.

There were reports from an OSU fan Shazier got dinged a lot. Comments?

Flyin J

@hoorta said:

There were reports from an OSU fan Shazier got dinged a lot. Comments?

not enough to where it was a problem. Im more worried about hom shedding blocks, especially if we plan on drafting him for MLB.