QB is the TOP Pick. What Happens if the Hoyer Experiment Fails?
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tml - pretty much agree with everything there, spot on IMO.
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Personally I'm not trying to predict what Farmer would do; I'm trying to figure out what I would do if I had Farmer's job.
And of course the result of my work is my opinion.
Whose else would it be?
And who else would want it?
I am constantly amazed that people take disagreement so personally.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Personally I'm not trying to predict what Farmer would do; I'm trying to figure out what I would do if I had Farmer's job.
And of course the result of my work is my opinion.
Whose else would it be?
And who else would want it?
I am constantly amazed that people take disagreement so personally.
you'd think the ability to debate these issues and scenarios would be the main people come to this Board. But no, they just want to dump THEIR perfect scenario on your face and expect you to lick it all up and beg for more, eventually when word gets out, they'll be named GM of the Cleveland Browns.Personally I'm not trying to predict what Farmer would do; I'm trying to figure out what I would do if I had Farmer's job.
And of course the result of my work is my opinion.
Whose else would it be?
And who else would want it?
I am constantly amazed that people take disagreement so personally.
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There isn't a worthwhile QB to take in the first round! If you think there is you smoking fucking crack and need to get off the flavor off the weeks jock so you quit embarrassing yourselves. JF, BB or any other one that you people are so fucking on your knees mouth wide open are not worth the 4'th, 26th or the first pick in the second round. Your probably the same trash that was wanting to pick Quinn over Thomas in 07.
There isn't a worthwhile QB to take in the first round! If you think there is you smoking fucking crack and need to get off the flavor off the weeks jock so you quit embarrassing yourselves. JF, BB or any other one that you people are so fucking on your knees mouth wide open are not worth the 4'th, 26th or the first pick in the second round. Your probably the same trash that was wanting to pick Quinn over Thomas in 07.
+1
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I'm not doing the drafting, and I'm not fixated on QB, but I won't be surprised when we draft one. And Hoorta... how the hell can you compare Mack to Urlacher... Mack has never once played ILB, which is the position everybody wants him at. Makes no sense.
Sure, you want Watkins?? He's the next Charles Rogers. How about Matthews?? He's the next Robert Gallery. Quit acting like you or me are doing the drafting... I don't know where Farmer ranks these guys, but you bet if he sees a QB as a potential franchise guy, he's drafting him... plain and simple
dude. we just called you out on your statement "to all you QB haters, sorry we're picking QB with our first pick!"
so if you believe that, i say we don't. how about put your money where your mouth is (once again. or did you just totally gloss over the fact that a couple of us called you out?)
dude. we just called you out on your statement "to all you QB haters, sorry we're picking QB with our first pick!"
so if you believe that, i say we don't. how about put your money where your mouth is (once again. or did you just totally gloss over the fact that a couple of us called you out?)
It all depends on IF Farmer & co. see a QB they think can be a starter. I can't read their mind, so why the fu** would I bet on that. Everybody is entitled to their opinion about the top 3 QBs, but I just think, given the depth of the draft and the amount of picks we have, we have the option to "gamble" our first pick on a potential franchise QB.
Not saying that's what I WANT them to do... Not saying that's the BEST thing to do... Just saying that's what I THINK they will do...
But seriously, you got a problem if you want to "call me out," and ask me to "put my money where my mouth is." Calm the fu** down and listen to some other thoughts... You're not the GM, and YOU'RE game analysis / tape analysis / needs analysis / hopes / dreams / desires don't mean sh**, same as mine... same as everybody else not named Pettine, Farmer, or Haslam...
Go Browns!
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worse time of year for NFL fans. FA is dwindling down so the big target staring us straight in our face is the draft and everyone wants it the way they want it to go.
i mean why would it be any other way?
just cuz this guy writes a blog or is a talking head on some sports network, should that mean he knows more than me or you when it comes to what WE think is the formula to create a winner by adding the young talent WE want added? hell no.
it's fun for a second until everyone digs their feet in and either declares with you, against you or stays neutral. until the draft actually happens it's like fellow fans of the same team being on a survivor island with each person and their opinion trying to claw to the top of a bloody heap of friends.
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worse time of year for NFL fans. FA is dwindling down so the big target staring us straight in our face is the draft and everyone wants it the way they want it to go.
i mean why would it be any other way?
just cuz this guy writes a blog or is a talking head on some sports network, should that mean he knows more than me or you when it comes to what WE think is the formula to create a winner by adding the young talent WE want added? hell no.
it's fun for a second until everyone digs their feet in and either declares with you, against you or stays neutral. until the draft actually happens it's like fellow fans of the same team being on a survivor island with each person and their opinion trying to claw to the top of a bloody heap of friends.
worse time of year for NFL fans. FA is dwindling down so the big target staring us straight in our face is the draft and everyone wants it the way they want it to go.
i mean why would it be any other way?
just cuz this guy writes a blog or is a talking head on some sports network, should that mean he knows more than me or you when it comes to what WE think is the formula to create a winner by adding the young talent WE want added? hell no.
it's fun for a second until everyone digs their feet in and either declares with you, against you or stays neutral. until the draft actually happens it's like fellow fans of the same team being on a survivor island with each person and their opinion trying to claw to the top of a bloody heap of friends.
I hear ya... It's even worse after the draft waiting for at least the preseason to start. Everybody bit**es about who the team should've drafted / picked up in FA...
Fu** it. Time to kick back and enjoy the spring and summer... whenever it decides to come to Ohio...
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dude it was like 60 here in NY on saturday and now they're talking about snow again on wednesday.
wtf?
mother nature ain't fuckin around with us this year.
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worse time of year for NFL fans. FA is dwindling down so the big target staring us straight in our face is the draft and everyone wants it the way they want it to go.
i mean why would it be any other way?
just cuz this guy writes a blog or is a talking head on some sports network, should that mean he knows more than me or you when it comes to what WE think is the formula to create a winner by adding the young talent WE want added? hell no.
it's fun for a second until everyone digs their feet in and either declares with you, against you or stays neutral. until the draft actually happens it's like fellow fans of the same team being on a survivor island with each person and their opinion trying to claw to the top of a bloody heap of friends.
lmao exactly. Its the guys who cant take any other opinions seriously and start calling the people with different (probably better in these cases) opinions names.worse time of year for NFL fans. FA is dwindling down so the big target staring us straight in our face is the draft and everyone wants it the way they want it to go.
i mean why would it be any other way?
just cuz this guy writes a blog or is a talking head on some sports network, should that mean he knows more than me or you when it comes to what WE think is the formula to create a winner by adding the young talent WE want added? hell no.
it's fun for a second until everyone digs their feet in and either declares with you, against you or stays neutral. until the draft actually happens it's like fellow fans of the same team being on a survivor island with each person and their opinion trying to claw to the top of a bloody heap of friends.
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dude it was like 60 here in NY on saturday and now they're talking about snow again on wednesday.
wtf?
mother nature ain't fuckin around with us this year.
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you'd think the ability to debate these issues and scenarios would be the main people come to this Board. But no, they just want to dump THEIR perfect scenario on your face and expect you to lick it all up and beg for more, eventually when word gets out, they'll be named GM of the Cleveland Browns.Personally I'm not trying to predict what Farmer would do; I'm trying to figure out what I would do if I had Farmer's job.
And of course the result of my work is my opinion.
Whose else would it be?
And who else would want it?
I am constantly amazed that people take disagreement so personally.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
you'd think the ability to debate these issues and scenarios would be the main people come to this Board. But no, they just want to dump THEIR perfect scenario on your face and expect you to lick it all up and beg for more, eventually when word gets out, they'll be named GM of the Cleveland Browns.
I have my opinions, others have theirs & that's OK. I try to avoid name calling.
It will be interesting to see what qbs (if any) Farmer brings in for private workouts. He was quoted on NFL.com those scripted pro day workouts don't impress him. In a private workout, he gets to call all the shots. Unless it's a total smokescreen, he's currently showing about zero interest in the Big 3.
OTOH, the way the Texans are acting, sending everyone except the ball boy to all the workouts, I'd say pretty good odds they're taking a qb @ #1, which one remains to be seen.
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lmao exactly. Its the guys who cant take any other opinions seriously and start calling the people with different (probably better in these cases) opinions names.worse time of year for NFL fans. FA is dwindling down so the big target staring us straight in our face is the draft and everyone wants it the way they want it to go.
i mean why would it be any other way?
just cuz this guy writes a blog or is a talking head on some sports network, should that mean he knows more than me or you when it comes to what WE think is the formula to create a winner by adding the young talent WE want added? hell no.
it's fun for a second until everyone digs their feet in and either declares with you, against you or stays neutral. until the draft actually happens it's like fellow fans of the same team being on a survivor island with each person and their opinion trying to claw to the top of a bloody heap of friends.
@mike-h said:
It's 70 and sunny everyday in SoCal. Hi.
Perfect for a ride on the Belmont Park Giant Dipper...
Or a round on Torrey Pines South...
Or both...
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
lmao exactly. Its the guys who cant take any other opinions seriously and start calling the people with different (probably better in these cases) opinions names.
We're supposed to take others' opinions seriously?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
@mike-h said:
It's 70 and sunny everyday in SoCal. Hi.
Perfect for a ride on the Belmont Park Giant Dipper...
Or a round on Torrey Pines South...
Or both...
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
lmao exactly. Its the guys who cant take any other opinions seriously and start calling the people with different (probably better in these cases) opinions names.
We're supposed to take others' opinions seriously?
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
you'd think the ability to debate these issues and scenarios would be the main people come to this Board. But no, they just want to dump THEIR perfect scenario on your face and expect you to lick it all up and beg for more, eventually when word gets out, they'll be named GM of the Cleveland Browns.
I have my opinions, others have theirs & that's OK. I try to avoid name calling.
It will be interesting to see what qbs (if any) Farmer brings in for private workouts. He was quoted on NFL.com those scripted pro day workouts don't impress him. In a private workout, he gets to call all the shots. Unless it's a total smokescreen, he's currently showing about zero interest in the Big 3.
OTOH, the way the Texans are acting, sending everyone except the ball boy to all the workouts, I'd say pretty good odds they're taking a qb @ #1, which one remains to be seen.
OTOH, the way the Texans are acting, sending everyone except the ball boy to all the workouts, I'd say pretty good odds they're taking a qb @ #1, which one remains to be seen.
o'brien said yesterday they're definitely picking a QB, just don't know where in the draft they'll pick one.
i think a lot of the touted class of 2014 QBs will see a big slide and a lot of these guys will be available a LOT later than first anticipated, which means everbody rated below these guys in the mocks will move up.
gilbert now will prob go top ten as well as evans.
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I don't think there's anyone who would disagree with the opinion that you need a less-than-garbage QB to win in the NFL.
Personally, I would love anybody in the top 10 that we pick, even Sammy Watkins (as much as I've said otherwise recently).
There's no single way to build a championship caliber team. Some teams make it there by pounding the rock, others by passing. Some teams get there by playing smart football, other teams get there by luck and hot streaks. So, with that said, I can entertain the possibility of drafting any of the top guys.
What I'm most concerned with is maximizing the talents of whatever player we do get. Don't take a player and try to fit him into your system. That's not how it works.
If we get Sammy, I'll be happy. But use him where he's most talented. I'd hate to see him paired opposite Gordon and run to death on 9's and bang-8's. Don't just throw him backshoulder fades when we get in the redzone. Watkins can outjump most corners, but that doesn't mean he should. Watkins is a bigger and equally as dynamic Harvin. His first step is quicker than nearly all in the NFL. Get him the ball in space as well as down the field.
If we get Bortles, I'll be happy. But don't just drop him back in the pocket and let him rip it. Just because he is 6'5 and looks the part of a prototypical NFL QB doesn't mean that he is one. Bortles is one of the better QB's in this draft throwing out of motion. Bortles is actually mechanically more sound throwing on the run than he is throwing from the pocket. Get Bortles on the move with play and boot action, keep him in shotgun and give him a moving pocket.
If we get Manziel, I'll be happy. But don't just run spread, read-option plays with him simply because he's mobile. Manziel is an improviser with natural athletic ability. Just because he can run doesn't mean he should run. Keep him protected, keep him in the pocket. When things break down, then let him do what he does. Don't take him solely to run.
If we get Mack, I'll be happy. But don't just take him to pair next to Dansby inside because there's a presumed hole at ILB. Mack is a downhill player and his size and skill set would have him best suited as a 3-4 OLB. Unfortunately, that's probably where we are deepest. Mack can be an everydown OLB in the NFL, and would be great opposite Mingo. Either try and move Sheard or Kruger inside (which I would seriously not recommend) or use that surplus at a certain position to address a hole at another position. However, with this hybrid system we're assumedly running, you can never have too many utility players and that's exactly what Sheard, Kruger and Dansby are. Kruger and Sheard can play standing up or with their hands in the dirt, and Dansby is solid and experienced in both the 4-3 and the 3-4.
This is the way to build a championship caliber team. The skill differential between players at this level is so razor-thin. These players are (normally) still the best of the best of the best. It's not like some teams are putting out some random schlub with greasy fingers who can't throw a spiral. Even Blaine Gabbert was a talented college quarterback, as some like to forget. It comes down to getting the most out of your players and developing the right game plan.
It's highly unlikely that we've just had a string of shitty players for the past 15 years. It's much more likely that we've had shitty coaching. Mangini is unarguably the best coach the Browns have seen since Belichick himself, and even he isn't employed as a head coach in the NFL. Same goes for GM's. Not one of the former Browns GM's from this millennium currently holds the same title anywhere in the league.
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I don't think there's anyone who would disagree with the opinion that you need a less-than-garbage QB to win in the NFL.
Personally, I would love anybody in the top 10 that we pick, even Sammy Watkins (as much as I've said otherwise recently).
There's no single way to build a championship caliber team. Some teams make it there by pounding the rock, others by passing. Some teams get there by playing smart football, other teams get there by luck and hot streaks. So, with that said, I can entertain the possibility of drafting any of the top guys.
What I'm most concerned with is maximizing the talents of whatever player we do get. Don't take a player and try to fit him into your system. That's not how it works.
If we get Sammy, I'll be happy. But use him where he's most talented. I'd hate to see him paired opposite Gordon and run to death on 9's and bang-8's. Don't just throw him backshoulder fades when we get in the redzone. Watkins can outjump most corners, but that doesn't mean he should. Watkins is a bigger and equally as dynamic Harvin. His first step is quicker than nearly all in the NFL. Get him the ball in space as well as down the field.
If we get Bortles, I'll be happy. But don't just drop him back in the pocket and let him rip it. Just because he is 6'5 and looks the part of a prototypical NFL QB doesn't mean that he is one. Bortles is one of the better QB's in this draft throwing out of motion. Bortles is actually mechanically more sound throwing on the run than he is throwing from the pocket. Get Bortles on the move with play and boot action, keep him in shotgun and give him a moving pocket.
If we get Manziel, I'll be happy. But don't just run spread, read-option plays with him simply because he's mobile. Manziel is an improviser with natural athletic ability. Just because he can run doesn't mean he should run. Keep him protected, keep him in the pocket. When things break down, then let him do what he does. Don't take him solely to run.
If we get Mack, I'll be happy. But don't just take him to pair next to Dansby inside because there's a presumed hole at ILB. Mack is a downhill player and his size and skill set would have him best suited as a 3-4 OLB. Unfortunately, that's probably where we are deepest. Mack can be an everydown OLB in the NFL, and would be great opposite Mingo. Either try and move Sheard or Kruger inside (which I would seriously not recommend) or use that surplus at a certain position to address a hole at another position. However, with this hybrid system we're assumedly running, you can never have too many utility players and that's exactly what Sheard, Kruger and Dansby are. Kruger and Sheard can play standing up or with their hands in the dirt, and Dansby is solid and experienced in both the 4-3 and the 3-4.
This is the way to build a championship caliber team. The skill differential between players at this level is so razor-thin. These players are (normally) still the best of the best of the best. It's not like some teams are putting out some random schlub with greasy fingers who can't throw a spiral. Even Blaine Gabbert was a talented college quarterback, as some like to forget. It comes down to getting the most out of your players and developing the right game plan.
It's highly unlikely that we've just had a string of shitty players for the past 15 years. It's much more likely that we've had shitty coaching. Mangini is unarguably the best coach the Browns have seen since Belichick himself, and even he isn't employed as a head coach in the NFL. Same goes for GM's. Not one of the former Browns GM's from this millennium currently holds the same title anywhere in the league.
I don't think there's anyone who would disagree with the opinion that you need a less-than-garbage QB to win in the NFL.
Personally, I would love anybody in the top 10 that we pick, even Sammy Watkins (as much as I've said otherwise recently).
There's no single way to build a championship caliber team. Some teams make it there by pounding the rock, others by passing. Some teams get there by playing smart football, other teams get there by luck and hot streaks. So, with that said, I can entertain the possibility of drafting any of the top guys.
What I'm most concerned with is maximizing the talents of whatever player we do get. Don't take a player and try to fit him into your system. That's not how it works.
If we get Sammy, I'll be happy. But use him where he's most talented. I'd hate to see him paired opposite Gordon and run to death on 9's and bang-8's. Don't just throw him backshoulder fades when we get in the redzone. Watkins can outjump most corners, but that doesn't mean he should. Watkins is a bigger and equally as dynamic Harvin. His first step is quicker than nearly all in the NFL. Get him the ball in space as well as down the field.
If we get Bortles, I'll be happy. But don't just drop him back in the pocket and let him rip it. Just because he is 6'5 and looks the part of a prototypical NFL QB doesn't mean that he is one. Bortles is one of the better QB's in this draft throwing out of motion. Bortles is actually mechanically more sound throwing on the run than he is throwing from the pocket. Get Bortles on the move with play and boot action, keep him in shotgun and give him a moving pocket.
If we get Manziel, I'll be happy. But don't just run spread, read-option plays with him simply because he's mobile. Manziel is an improviser with natural athletic ability. Just because he can run doesn't mean he should run. Keep him protected, keep him in the pocket. When things break down, then let him do what he does. Don't take him solely to run.
If we get Mack, I'll be happy. But don't just take him to pair next to Dansby inside because there's a presumed hole at ILB. Mack is a downhill player and his size and skill set would have him best suited as a 3-4 OLB. Unfortunately, that's probably where we are deepest. Mack can be an everydown OLB in the NFL, and would be great opposite Mingo. Either try and move Sheard or Kruger inside (which I would seriously not recommend) or use that surplus at a certain position to address a hole at another position. However, with this hybrid system we're assumedly running, you can never have too many utility players and that's exactly what Sheard, Kruger and Dansby are. Kruger and Sheard can play standing up or with their hands in the dirt, and Dansby is solid and experienced in both the 4-3 and the 3-4.
This is the way to build a championship caliber team. The skill differential between players at this level is so razor-thin. These players are (normally) still the best of the best of the best. It's not like some teams are putting out some random schlub with greasy fingers who can't throw a spiral. Even Blaine Gabbert was a talented college quarterback, as some like to forget. It comes down to getting the most out of your players and developing the right game plan.
It's highly unlikely that we've just had a string of shitty players for the past 15 years. It's much more likely that we've had shitty coaching. Mangini is unarguably the best coach the Browns have seen since Belichick himself, and even he isn't employed as a head coach in the NFL. Same goes for GM's. Not one of the former Browns GM's from this millennium currently holds the same title anywhere in the league.
well though out post.
i guess i'd be glad with any pick they make @4 (yeah, even manziel) just because i trust in the guy(s) making the decision.
although some don't see it i really think evans would be a better fit when we already have sammy v 1.0 in gordon. what we don't have is a huge target that knows how to use his body to block out defenders. i also would like to think evans could out jump sammy and be a megatron type threat goingdown the sidelines and running slants to the corner of the end zone. just my opinion and preference. is he worth a #4? doubt it. but is manziel or bortles? some would argue if that's the player you want, you get him. well that's what i'd do with evans and gilbert. get them.
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I don't think there's anyone who would disagree with the opinion that you need a less-than-garbage QB to win in the NFL.
Personally, I would love anybody in the top 10 that we pick, even Sammy Watkins (as much as I've said otherwise recently).
There's no single way to build a championship caliber team. Some teams make it there by pounding the rock, others by passing. Some teams get there by playing smart football, other teams get there by luck and hot streaks. So, with that said, I can entertain the possibility of drafting any of the top guys.
What I'm most concerned with is maximizing the talents of whatever player we do get. Don't take a player and try to fit him into your system. That's not how it works.
If we get Sammy, I'll be happy. But use him where he's most talented. I'd hate to see him paired opposite Gordon and run to death on 9's and bang-8's. Don't just throw him backshoulder fades when we get in the redzone. Watkins can outjump most corners, but that doesn't mean he should. Watkins is a bigger and equally as dynamic Harvin. His first step is quicker than nearly all in the NFL. Get him the ball in space as well as down the field.
If we get Bortles, I'll be happy. But don't just drop him back in the pocket and let him rip it. Just because he is 6'5 and looks the part of a prototypical NFL QB doesn't mean that he is one. Bortles is one of the better QB's in this draft throwing out of motion. Bortles is actually mechanically more sound throwing on the run than he is throwing from the pocket. Get Bortles on the move with play and boot action, keep him in shotgun and give him a moving pocket.
If we get Manziel, I'll be happy. But don't just run spread, read-option plays with him simply because he's mobile. Manziel is an improviser with natural athletic ability. Just because he can run doesn't mean he should run. Keep him protected, keep him in the pocket. When things break down, then let him do what he does. Don't take him solely to run.
If we get Mack, I'll be happy. But don't just take him to pair next to Dansby inside because there's a presumed hole at ILB. Mack is a downhill player and his size and skill set would have him best suited as a 3-4 OLB. Unfortunately, that's probably where we are deepest. Mack can be an everydown OLB in the NFL, and would be great opposite Mingo. Either try and move Sheard or Kruger inside (which I would seriously not recommend) or use that surplus at a certain position to address a hole at another position. However, with this hybrid system we're assumedly running, you can never have too many utility players and that's exactly what Sheard, Kruger and Dansby are. Kruger and Sheard can play standing up or with their hands in the dirt, and Dansby is solid and experienced in both the 4-3 and the 3-4.
This is the way to build a championship caliber team. The skill differential between players at this level is so razor-thin. These players are (normally) still the best of the best of the best. It's not like some teams are putting out some random schlub with greasy fingers who can't throw a spiral. Even Blaine Gabbert was a talented college quarterback, as some like to forget. It comes down to getting the most out of your players and developing the right game plan.
It's highly unlikely that we've just had a string of shitty players for the past 15 years. It's much more likely that we've had shitty coaching. Mangini is unarguably the best coach the Browns have seen since Belichick himself, and even he isn't employed as a head coach in the NFL. Same goes for GM's. Not one of the former Browns GM's from this millennium currently holds the same title anywhere in the league.
well though out post.
i guess i'd be glad with any pick they make @4 (yeah, even manziel) just because i trust in the guy(s) making the decision.
although some don't see it i really think evans would be a better fit when we already have sammy v 1.0 in gordon. what we don't have is a huge target that knows how to use his body to block out defenders. i also would like to think evans could out jump sammy and be a megatron type threat goingdown the sidelines and running slants to the corner of the end zone. just my opinion and preference. is he worth a #4? doubt it. but is manziel or bortles? some would argue if that's the player you want, you get him. well that's what i'd do with evans and gilbert. get them.
well though out post.
i guess i'd be glad with any pick they make @4 (yeah, even manziel) just because i trust in the guy(s) making the decision.
although some don't see it i really think evans would be a better fit when we already have sammy v 1.0 in gordon. what we don't have is a huge target that knows how to use his body to block out defenders. i also would like to think evans could out jump sammy and be a megatron type threat goingdown the sidelines and running slants to the corner of the end zone. just my opinion and preference. is he worth a #4? doubt it. but is manziel or bortles? some would argue if that's the player you want, you get him. well that's what i'd do with evans and gilbert. get them.
I, too, would rather have Evans.
I'm in love with his size and athletic ability. He'd be a fantastic red zone threat.
On the other hand, Watkins could provide us with a huge rest of the field threat.
Its really what you envision this offense being.
Gordon/Evans= Marshall/Jeffery
Gordon/Watkins= Jones^White
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I would be happy with Watkins or Evans as well, I just think Evans is a reach at 4. Watkins is an absolute game changer, not taking anything away from Evans. I've made the Marshall/Jeffrey comparison before, but I think TCPO hit it better with Gordon/Evans due to size. Either way I think it's a grand slam, especially if we got Evans in a slight trade down
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Drafting based on 'need' is such an antiquated thought process.
At the top of the draft, you always grab 'the' player with game changing abilities and a star in the league.
Never ever draft 'projects' early.....
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