Jonathan Paul Manziel
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You can pretty much say that about every QB. They all have their flaws. Teddy is to lean and has to small of hands. Bortles just became a hype this past season and played at a smaller school, very very raw. JM well that has been beaten like a dead horse. Carr, again crappy competition and cant read a D to save his life. A.J. 3 national titles and played in a pro offense and has more starts then any of these guys. LIke always its a damn crap shoot.
You can pretty much say that about every QB. They all have their flaws. Teddy is to lean and has to small of hands. Bortles just became a hype this past season and played at a smaller school, very very raw. JM well that has been beaten like a dead horse. Carr, again crappy competition and cant read a D to save his life. A.J. 3 national titles and played in a pro offense and has more starts then any of these guys. LIke always its a damn crap shoot.
Well of course. The point of the post is to have a cerebral, intelligent discussion about the FACTS surrounding JFF's game. Making generalizations and repeating recycled garbage spewed from the mouths of so called experts has become very unattractive to me. There is something to be had in actually doing your own homework abd analysis of a draft prospect. I recommend trying it.
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I think every prospect brings their own great attributes to the NFL. Most have a hard time adjusting to the Pro game and others thrive. I have watched pretty much every game JM has played since he joined the AM. The dude can play and has the heart of a lion, but somehow it all gets lost in the hype by the media. Who is the real Manziel, thats the question. I do not disagree with your assesment, but rather am just getting frustrated with the multiple same threads about him, just worded different.
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I want Johnny Football if we go QB early.
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Um, no. and the above post about the Manziel's Nike crap shows the guy is a commercial sellout already. You bring in Manziel, you bring the circus to town- MHO is Farmer and Pettine are into football, not Barnum & Bailey. JFs goal will be to out sell RGIII- that aspect about his persona makes me want to puke.
Oh, cut the shit it already.
He was offered a deal by Nike, he took it. He's not a sellout, he's a 21 year old.
You'd take the same deal.
Show me anywhere...anywhere...where he made comments about outselling anyone, branding himself, marketing himself, making money, etc.
Every comment at every interview has been about football. Not Nike. Not making money. Winning football games. Then he goes out and has a solid Pro Day, better than the previously thought #1 QB, and you're complaining because Nike is selling his Pro Day jersey to turn a profit? Get over yourself.
Wearing pads and a helmet was a great decision, regardless of the marketing ploy from his manager. You wear pads and a helmet in games, why would you throw without them on a day where you're trying to showcase your skills? It was a ballsy move that paid off and will probably change Pro Days from now on.
You're mad because he hired a marketing manager? That's like getting pissed because a player hires an agent.
So let me just try and list this out to make sense of it:
Pros
-Unbelievable athlete
-Played against top tier talent.
-Played in National spotlight
-Put up video game numbers
-Has natural accuracy and great internal clock
Cons
-Hired marketing major
-Got drunk in college
-Isn't 6'5" 230.
-You don't like his face
That about sum it up?
You do remember his autograph 'scandal' in which he pretty clearly was getting paid to sign autographs?Oh, cut the shit it already.
He was offered a deal by Nike, he took it. He's not a sellout, he's a 21 year old.
You'd take the same deal.
Show me anywhere...anywhere...where he made comments about outselling anyone, branding himself, marketing himself, making money, etc.
Every comment at every interview has been about football. Not Nike. Not making money. Winning football games. Then he goes out and has a solid Pro Day, better than the previously thought #1 QB, and you're complaining because Nike is selling his Pro Day jersey to turn a profit? Get over yourself.
Wearing pads and a helmet was a great decision, regardless of the marketing ploy from his manager. You wear pads and a helmet in games, why would you throw without them on a day where you're trying to showcase your skills? It was a ballsy move that paid off and will probably change Pro Days from now on.
You're mad because he hired a marketing manager? That's like getting pissed because a player hires an agent.
So let me just try and list this out to make sense of it:
Pros
-Unbelievable athlete
-Played against top tier talent.
-Played in National spotlight
-Put up video game numbers
-Has natural accuracy and great internal clock
Cons
-Hired marketing major
-Got drunk in college
-Isn't 6'5" 230.
-You don't like his face
That about sum it up?
I personally don't think that was a make or break thing in drafting him but don't act like the man never tried to get a leg up.
More cons:
Terrible against the blitz
Questionable defensive scheme recognition
I really don't like his face
Don't overrate the SEC defenses, they aren't world beaters.
Okay fine played against top tier talent, got blasted and hit by that talent for 2 years.
Played WITH top tier talent (2 other top 10 picks) and one of which that bailed him out a lot
Short
His face again
Tebow also put up video game numbers
Russell Wilson never put up video game numbers
I don't care about college production I care how that production translates to the L and I'm not sure it does, not at 4.
Were about there in summing it all up.
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i predict a riot.
perusing the tapes of the "greatest" QB draft since 1986, even though i don't really like the kid.................manziel has some ballz. i mean i hated the 'brat' attitude, the lebron connection etc.
BUT
the fact that he does have ballz (yum!) and he is who he is, is rather refreshing to me.
hey if you're gonna suck, suck with your ballz out or hit off the 'mary' tee bidatches.
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Mik,
You're right except for the 'balls (yum!)' thing.
He does have a fuck free world attitude.
Not at Mik,
The one argument that drives me crazy is the whole he played against top tier talent thing. The SEC isn't better than other conferences especially at D. Even if they are, how many starting QBs came out of the SEC in the last 10 years (since they've become the dominant conference)? Cam Newton is about it.
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hey, if he can handle the NFL speed i think JF could be a winner.
BUT we got a GM and a HC who both played DB in the pros....defensive.........
at this point i want to see what farmer is going to do, JF or mack or matthews or mack or gilbert or evans.........
TRADE DOWN!! johnny might be there @26.
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This whole situation reminds me of this old classic. Looks like he went to A&M instead of community college.
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Oh, cut the shit it already.
He was offered a deal by Nike, he took it. He's not a sellout, he's a 21 year old.
You'd take the same deal. No I wouldn't.
Show me anywhere...anywhere...where he made comments about outselling anyone, branding himself, see below marketing himself, making money, etc.
Every comment at every interview has been about football. Not Nike. Not making money. Winning football games. Then he goes out and has a solid Pro Day, better than the previously thought #1 QB, and you're complaining because Nike is selling his Pro Day jersey to turn a profit? Get over yourself.
Wearing pads and a helmet was a great decision, regardless of the marketing ploy from his manager. You wear pads and a helmet in games, why would you throw without them on a day where you're trying to showcase your skills? It was a ballsy move that paid off and will probably change Pro Days from now on.
You're mad because he hired a marketing manager? That's like getting pissed because a player hires an agent.
So let me just try and list this out to make sense of it:
Pros
-Unbelievable athlete
-Played against top tier talent.
-Played in National spotlight
-Put up video game numbers
-Has natural accuracy and great internal clock
Cons
-Hired marketing major
-Got drunk in college
-Isn't 6'5" 230.
-You don't like his face
That about sum it up?
Here's all you need to know- Johnny Football
If that's not selling out, I don't know what is. He can shove that up his ass. Only difference between him and Desean Jackson I can see is he doesn't hang out with gangs, and hasn't played a snap in the NFL yet. Yeah, I've made no secret I don't like him. And I'm fervently hoping the Browns don't either. We're trying to build a team in Cleveland, not a media circus- which is what's going to happen to the team that drafts Manziel- take it to the bank. EDIT: As reported below- there's pretty good evidence JF was already getting paid under the table for his "autograph sessions"- to the tune of $30 a pop. .As above he's in the process of copyrighting "the brand"- guess I'm just too old school to think win a SB or two (like Peyton with Papa John's or Rodgers with State Farm) before you whore yourself out for maximum $$$ RGIII wherefore art thy Subway commercials now? I laugh at you. Maybe if JF really was really into football- he'd take the Andrew Luck approach, instead of taking every marketing opportunity shoved in his face. Haven't seen Andy pulling that sort of commercial shit- because he doesn't have to. Funny Bortles and Bridgewater haven't seen the need either. If that's the way JF wants to make his money, more power to him- that doesn't mean I have to like his style of doing so.
Here's all you need to know- Johnny Football
If that's not selling out, I don't know what is. He can shove that up his ass. Only difference between him and Desean Jackson I can see is he doesn't hang out with gangs, and hasn't played a snap in the NFL yet. Yeah, I've made no secret I don't like him. And I'm fervently hoping the Browns don't either. We're trying to build a team in Cleveland, not a media circus- which is what's going to happen to the team that drafts Manziel- take it to the bank. EDIT: As reported below- there's pretty good evidence JF was already getting paid under the table for his "autograph sessions"- to the tune of $30 a pop. .As above he's in the process of copyrighting "the brand"- guess I'm just too old school to think win a SB or two (like Peyton with Papa John's or Rodgers with State Farm) before you whore yourself out for maximum $$$ RGIII wherefore art thy Subway commercials now? I laugh at you. Maybe if JF really was really into football- he'd take the Andrew Luck approach, instead of taking every marketing opportunity shoved in his face. Haven't seen Andy pulling that sort of commercial shit- because he doesn't have to. Funny Bortles and Bridgewater haven't seen the need either. If that's the way JF wants to make his money, more power to him- that doesn't mean I have to like his style of doing so.
so if nike wanted to give you a shitload of money for being yourself and wearing a logo that most people pay to wear, you'd say no dice?
Lebron signed a deal with Nike worth enough money to last multiple lifetimes and no one cares. A college kid, playing (fiercely) for free does the same thing and all of a sudden it's a mark against his character?
Some people believe that Manziel shouldn't have taken money for writing his name in cursive. I say let the kid get paid, if people wanted my autograph, I'd gladly give it to them for onion rings and a side of sriracha...
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@mike-h said:
I wonder what the age:hate ratio for Johnny Manziel is.
Most of the old timers here are opposed, but I'd like to see a wider sample size.
I'm drinking whiskey till May, fuck this.
I'm 27.
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This whole situation reminds me of this old classic. Looks like he went to A&M instead of community college.
This whole situation reminds me of this old classic. Looks like he went to A&M instead of community college.
I'm sure Robert Downey Jr and Uma Thurman are proud of their work in this Anthony Michael Hall vehicle.
Z
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This whole situation reminds me of this old classic. Looks like he went to A&M instead of community college.
I'm sure Robert Downey Jr and Uma Thurman are proud of their work in this Anthony Michael Hall vehicle.
Z
Zombo said:
I'm sure Robert Downey Jr and Uma Thurman are proud of their work in this Anthony Michael Hall vehicle.
Z
There must have been riots when this movie got snubbed by the Oscar's. I was about 14 or 15 when i watched this masterpiece.
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drafting JFF would be the greatest thing to happen with the browns since their return.Id hate to see him do great if they pass on him, I mean not for him but just for me.
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I want nothing to do with this 5'11, wannabe rockstar who is known and loved for making plays by the skin of his balls. What he got away with in college will not happen in the NFL. His tendency to run is going to get him killed. Take him in the late 2nd, no earlier.
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I'm just a stupid fan that's watched football for 50 years. I've seen top picks play like crap and get cut, I've seen lowly draft picks go to the Hall of Fame. I've watched Manziel maybe 5-8 games and I have to say I cannot remember a better or more exciting player that I would like to have on my team based on the limited amount I've watched him.
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@mike-h said:
I wonder what the age:hate ratio for Johnny Manziel is.
Most of the old timers here are opposed, but I'd like to see a wider sample size.
I'm drinking whiskey till May, fuck this.
Mike H,
I'm 67 & love the kid! Besides his actual on field football skills, his intangibles, leadership skills, & passion for the game are through the roof & there is no measuring tape for those. I'll be at the Draft Party on May 8th & you'll hear this old gray beard clear to Canton if his name comes up as a Brown. How long has it been since NE Ohio saw that kind of spirit? I'm sure we'll get a fine player at 4 whether or not it's Johnny, but IMHO he would be the frosting on the cake.
Mike
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Evans is Manziel's ticket to most of his media hype about being so exciting a college player.
Farmer has talked about who the player is off the field. And,
According to a source, Manziel was a problem for Archie, Peyton and Eli Manning from the moment he arrived at the Louisiana passing camp until the second his parents called in sick for him.The source told the Daily News that Manziel’s troubles started way before he went out partying into the early hours on Friday morning.**********************************************I don't see it. Anybody want a first round qb who is a problem child? So now, he's all of a sudden different?"only does what everybody else does?" . Really. I'm afraid Manziel's high flying celebrity could ruin his first few yearsin the NFL, unitl he grows up, or joins Tebow as a college broadcaster.Nope. I'd rather the Browns sign the veteran others have mentioned, and draft a kid like Garoppolo,and draft their first round qb next year. I believe Farmer and Pettine know better than to take the hugechance on a great college kid that is a media circus, and maybe has a problem with alcohol. -
Which one of you douche bags deleted my post? Hmmm cause you don't like what I had to say about JFF or that someone made another post about him? Bunch of little kids posing as adults.... Sad just sad.
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It got merged with the other Johnny Football thread. Who's the douchebag now?
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