Jonathan Paul Manziel
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will Manziel start or Hoyer? that's the fucking question bugging me now
will Manziel start or Hoyer? that's the fucking question bugging me now
Hoyer needs to start all of 20 14 barring injury, no questions asked.
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Yeah I think Hoyer will win at this point, honestly. I love the Johnny football pick, I really do but I badly want Hoyer to get his shot and Johnny has a lot of time.
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When JF throws the first TD pass against Pittsburgh in week 1, you'll all be doing the cash money sign with him.
Don't act like you won't.
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When JF throws the first TD pass against Pittsburgh in week 1, you'll all be doing the cash money sign with him.
Don't act like you won't.
When JF throws the first TD pass against Pittsburgh in week 1, you'll all be doing the cash money sign with him.
Don't act like you won't.
He beats Pittsburgh week 1 and I'll be wearing a Johnny fucking football jersey to the Ravens game and sitting front row of the dawg pound.
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Just wanted to say I am officially a Browns fan now and I hope you all realize how lucky you are to have a guy like JFF playing on the Browns.
I wish the Browns and Johnny all the success in the world. Bring the Browns back to Glory Johnny!!
Gig'Em Ags!!
Just wanted to say I am officially a Browns fan now and I hope you all realize how lucky you are to have a guy like JFF playing on the Browns.
I wish the Browns and Johnny all the success in the world. Bring the Browns back to Glory Johnny!!
Gig'Em Ags!!
Oh we've seen this before with player fans as opposed to team fans in the past.
How many new member signups has this board had in the last 15 hours?
Not as many as the guys who bought season tickets hoping JF will start day 1.
It was terrible, as an Aggie, to watch it all be about Manziel... I mean, the day after we beat Alabama at their house, all you heard about was Johnny. As an Aggie fan it was one of the most depressing days of my life. So, so sad.
Thanks-and all the media hype in the coming months in Berea is going to be all about JF. Some guys don't care, but I do.
There's no way that Hoyer is on the trading block at this point.
And, yes, Manziel is JUST a rookie QB at this point. He has a lot to prove before he becomes anything otherwise than that.
Like going through his progressions, and calling out line protections tha the didn't do much at A&M?
ok, he won the starting job as a freshman?
true.. but i think I was leaning on this a bit more:
he won the Heisman as a freshman. he broke Cam Newton's All purpose yards in a season in 2 less games as a freshman. he led A&M to their first 11 win season in decades as a freshman.
How does this translate to immediate success? It doesn't.
What it does is say that he needs to be coddled or treated like just someone who hasn't been through something similar before. It's proven immediate success.
I've said before he could be a bust or a GOAT. I, nor do you,know which it will be.
To say Johnny is no different from any other rookie is ridiculous. What other rookie has had to put up with that much scrutiny, attention in history? None. Some might come close but the answer is none... Actually if you don't understand what I'm talking about when i say Johnny is different and is not just another rookie,... making a spit bubble with my mouth would be more productive at this point.
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Homer point- RG III was in the same boat, or St. Timothy Tebow. Manziel (deservedly) drew excessive attention to himself with his off-field antics.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
No worries Tex. There was a lot of anti-Manziel guys on this board before the draft, and now theyre pouting. Loved the article, and it definitely shows a side of him ESPN never talked about. Thanks man!
Pouting? Not really. Like they say in Missouri- show me JF. You got a Johnny homer saying GOAT, does that mean Greediest of all Time? Hi Nike, you seem to agree.
@walterwhite said:
Hoorta is so mad we got Johnny Football and I couldn't be happier. I love it.
Mad? You don't know what gets me mad kid. If I wanted to get MAD, I would have kicked your ass off for a month or two- and FYI a bunch of other posters asked me to do so. You going to be a ____ name the team fan if X team takes JF? I have legit reasons for questioning if Manziel will make it in the NFL- and so does Charlley Casserly who GMed a NFL franchise for years. The Browns were playing with house money- if he was as great as all the JF circle jerkers were claiming, he would have gotten drafted a lot higher than #22 (cursed pick BTW). And for the record dipwad, I had Watkins at #1 on my board, so how does that look now with Gordon probably gone for an extended period?
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@mike-h said:
He's rooting for Manziel to tear an ACL, because he's a bitter old fossil.
Want me to start a poll what date Manziel goes on IR? $5 entry fee. LOL- I ain't bitter Mike- just realistic- 50+ years of football experience will do that for you. Joey Porter said he's waiting for the chance to break his smarmy ass in half, odds are- I'm betting on Porter.
And STFU. According to polls there's around 20% Cleveland fans that think JF was a bad pick. There's a significant minority siding with me. I may have been more vocal than most here but I'm not the only skeptic. Can't say hatah anymore- because I can't root for a Browns player to flop.
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Still trying to figure out what in the hell is going on with this FO now... Seriously.
If they knew about Gordon and Burleson and did nothing to even TRY to answer the WR problem at all.
With Gordon gone, that is easily 15-20% of our scoring for the season.
I don't know how Little is still on this roster either. Suddenly, we look worse than we did at the beginning of last year with Weeden and Richardson. And that is sad.
"A winner never whines." Paul Brown -
New here as well, I can tell you that the number of Brown's fans in Texas has exploded in the last 12 hours.
A few things on Johnny as someone that has watched him since HS, most of which people don't realize:
He is very smart. Johnny had the highest Wonderlic score of the prospect QB's and he was in A&M's highly ranked B School prior to his Heisman with a high GPA. This isn't some athlete that just gets it done on physical skills, he learns quickly and is a student of the game.
Every year Johnny has become less of a freewheeler. In HS his offense was basically "give the ball to Johnny and let him improvise" and he took a team with virtually nothing around him deep in the playoffs until they lost to the eventual state champs in a shootout. He started that way at A&M but after working with George Whitfield after his RS year he has become much stronger fundamentally and less of a runner every year.
He's barely 21 years old. He is not a finished product by any means.
He's a great team guy. All of his teammates love him and would take a bullet for him. He is in early and out late and is obsessed with football and winning. He ALWAYS credits his teammates and pumps them up. The media talks about him but Johnny doesn't, notice after he was picked last night he wanted to talk about his teammates that were picked before him and how happy he was for them.
He is probably the most confident person on the face of the planet. Many think he must be cocky but in reality he is just very comfortable in his own skin and very confident in his abilities. He does his thing and he isn't doing it to impress others, he just does what he wants. Still at the same time he is surprisingly humble and he understands that football is still a game. I've never seen anyone quite like him, he is truly one of a kind in terms of personality.
He has a deep affection for kids, especially sick or disabled kids. He wears a "Charley's Angels" bracelet for a kid with cancer that went to the draft with him (he is the one he was hugging in the maroon Aggie shirt as he walked off). He got to know Charley before he even had the starting job at A&M as well so it isn't a show.
Everyone watches the highlights of his crazy plays but he actually stays in the pocket and slices up offenses most of the time. He actually had the best pocket completion % of any FBS QB last year at over 70%. He just also can throw really well on the run and puts immense pressure on a defense because they can never know what he might do.
Johnny was a legit prospect at baseball as well. What is unusual though is he was a shortstop, not a pitcher like most QB's. That's part of the reason he can make so many off balance throws and can throw against his body so well, it's something he did in baseball all his life.
Despite being under 6' Johnny can do a 360 dunk with a basketball.
The 2 games that most detractors point to for Johnny are the LSU and Missouri games this year. What is less spoken about is Johnny had a fractured thumb he was trying to play through in those games and it greatly affected his accuracy. He broke it hitting a helmet in the Auburn game on a throw in the pocket btw, a freak injury. Trying to keep him off the field though is not easy, he is insanely competitive.
Johnny is more quick than fast and really elusive. He's got good speed but he isn't like RGIII. Johnny seems to have a 6th sense to pressure though and he will absolutely juke people silly. He has incredible balance and is much stronger than most realize. He's hard to hit and the main focus will be more on getting him to not go for the extra yard than anything else. Johnny also has an incredible sense of where his receivers are at all times and he will boggle your mind with how he seems to find a receiver on the other side of the field that he didn't even look that way until he threw the ball. The game just moves at a different speed for him.
The biggest negative on Johnny going to Cleveland imo is he tends to not do as well in bad weather as the LSU and Missouri games this year were also cold and rainy. That said, he also set what was at the time the SEC Total Offense record (which he later broke) in the rain against Arkansas as a Freshman. He will need to adjust some and the groundskeepers in Cleveland need to do all they can to keep the field in top shape.
Man this thread merge mess makes for some interesting reading...
New here as well, I can tell you that the number of Brown's fans in Texas has exploded in the last 12 hours.
First, let's get this straight... with one exception, none of you Johnny-Football-come-latelys are Browns fans.
You weren't Wednesday...
After a week you will not be heard from again until training camp opens...
And had any of 18 other NFL teams deemed your boy worthy enough, you would not be here now.
We Browns fans would be...
The one exception was a noob named H-Town Brown. In his very first post he introduced himself as a Manziel fan and then asked the forum to help him get to know the Browns. THAT is a new Browns fan in the making.
MikeHole said:
No, even when wrong you have to spin it to be right, somehow.
It's fascinating
Exactly what the fuck was he spinning? I swear your head is so far up your MikeHole the fumes have made you delusional.
MikeHole said:
Farmer said in December he wanted Manziel--it was reported last night, so claiming it was Haslams pick, even after Haslam said he wouldn't interfere (which the Anti-Manziel clan used to support their arguments that the Browns would pass on Manziel) is just denial.
Denial ain't jus a river in Egypt kids.
Drunk? Stoned? Both? Or just more fumes? Your post makes no sense, Mr. PFWA. That we drafted Manziel is now a fact. No one is denying it.
But yes, I hoped that the Haslam statement put to rest the hope that JM was coming to Cleveland... not afraid to admit it.
Talk about spin... such an air of confidence now. The likes of which we did not see for 18 picks, or roughly 2 hours of Round 1. Never a doubt... right, MikeHole? LOL...
i honestly don't know if i can handle the stupidity of NFL fans. I really don't... Yes, GOAT is his ceiling. That's what some call, an "opinion". In this thread I've posted reasons I think he's that special.
If you can't handle it, then leave with our stupid, collective blessings... You will not be missed.
But if you stay, chew on this a while and I'll be happy to discuss it with you.
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28821&view=findpost&p=404221
You have a look too, MikeHole, but I warn you it has a lot of words in it and some things called t h o u g h t s.
While I genuinely believe that JM will not see the field Week 1 except for warm-ups... I'll go further than that.When JF throws the first TD pass against Pittsburgh in week 1, you'll all be doing the cash money sign with him.
Don't act like you won't.
If I ever do that fucking stupid move, TC, then I will send you a certified check for $10,000. You have my word on it...
I can't wait for Tour's response to this one.
Did I disappoint?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Not a fan of Fireball but free beer is good
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Man this thread merge mess makes for some interesting reading...
New here as well, I can tell you that the number of Brown's fans in Texas has exploded in the last 12 hours.
First, let's get this straight... with one exception, none of you Johnny-Football-come-latelys are Browns fans.
You weren't Wednesday...
After a week you will not be heard from again until training camp opens...
And had any of 18 other NFL teams deemed your boy worthy enough, you would not be here now.
We Browns fans would be...
The one exception was a noob named H-Town Brown. In his very first post he introduced himself as a Manziel fan and then asked the forum to help him get to know the Browns. THAT is a new Browns fan in the making.
MikeHole said:
No, even when wrong you have to spin it to be right, somehow.
It's fascinating
Exactly what the fuck was he spinning? I swear your head is so far up your MikeHole the fumes have made you delusional.
MikeHole said:
Farmer said in December he wanted Manziel--it was reported last night, so claiming it was Haslams pick, even after Haslam said he wouldn't interfere (which the Anti-Manziel clan used to support their arguments that the Browns would pass on Manziel) is just denial.
Denial ain't jus a river in Egypt kids.
Drunk? Stoned? Both? Or just more fumes? Your post makes no sense, Mr. PFWA. That we drafted Manziel is now a fact. No one is denying it.
But yes, I hoped that the Haslam statement put to rest the hope that JM was coming to Cleveland... not afraid to admit it.
Talk about spin... such an air of confidence now. The likes of which we did not see for 18 picks, or roughly 2 hours of Round 1. Never a doubt... right, MikeHole? LOL...
i honestly don't know if i can handle the stupidity of NFL fans. I really don't... Yes, GOAT is his ceiling. That's what some call, an "opinion". In this thread I've posted reasons I think he's that special.
If you can't handle it, then leave with our stupid, collective blessings... You will not be missed.
But if you stay, chew on this a while and I'll be happy to discuss it with you.
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28821&view=findpost&p=404221
You have a look too, MikeHole, but I warn you it has a lot of words in it and some things called t h o u g h t s.
While I genuinely believe that JM will not see the field Week 1 except for warm-ups... I'll go further than that.When JF throws the first TD pass against Pittsburgh in week 1, you'll all be doing the cash money sign with him.
Don't act like you won't.
If I ever do that fucking stupid move, TC, then I will send you a certified check for $10,000. You have my word on it...
I can't wait for Tour's response to this one.
Did I disappoint?
Man this thread merge mess makes for some interesting reading...
First, let's get this straight... with one exception, none of you Johnny-Football-come-latelys are Browns fans.
You weren't Wednesday...
After a week you will not be heard from again until training camp opens...
And had any of 18 other NFL teams deemed your boy worthy enough, you would not be here now.
We Browns fans would be...
The one exception was a noob named H-Town Brown. In his very first post he introduced himself as a Manziel fan and then asked the forum to help him get to know the Browns. THAT is a new Browns fan in the making.
Exactly what the fuck was he spinning? I swear your head is so far up your MikeHole the fumes have made you delusional.
Drunk? Stoned? Both? Or just more fumes? Your post makes no sense, Mr. PFWA. That we drafted Manziel is now a fact. No one is denying it.
But yes, I hoped that the Haslam statement put to rest the hope that JM was coming to Cleveland... not afraid to admit it.
Talk about spin... such an air of confidence now. The likes of which we did not see for 18 picks, or roughly 2 hours of Round 1. Never a doubt... right, MikeHole? LOL...
If you can't handle it, then leave with our stupid, collective blessings... You will not be missed.
But if you stay, chew on this a while and I'll be happy to discuss it with you.
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28821&view=findpost&p=404221
You have a look too, MikeHole, but I warn you it has a lot of words in it and some things called t h o u g h t s.
While I genuinely believe that JM will not see the field Week 1 except for warm-ups... I'll go further than that.
If I ever do that fucking stupid move, TC, then I will send you a certified check for $10,000. You have my word on it...
Did I disappoint?
With the money, I'll buy you Manziel jersey and a shot and a beer.
I have to let everyone know now, however- I have one eye on the Jags now. I've been looking for another team to keep tabs on as far as writing about and they won. They could be very interesting next year.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Hoorta, how do you feel about Gordon?
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The best thing, now that they drafted Manziel, as long he keeps his
#2....
is that I finally can get my two Tim Couch jerseys fixed with his name, and wear them !
JF won't know the offense, and NFL defenses, etc, well enough to start.
I haven't seen it, but the Browns do, and they drafted him.
And all the stuff about him since, is very impressive. He isn't all about himself
at all. I'm now a JCleveland fan now. But Hoyer will start the season, no reason
to throw JF to the wolves. I think that would be really dumb.
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They're in a great position really... I'm sure Hoyer will "win" the job just long enough to not throw Johnny to the wolves... first three games then a bye week and he will start week 6
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Manziel coming out and beating the Steelers in Pittsburgh week 1 is a nice story and all but Lebeu losing to rookie QB's doesn't happen let alone their first game ever.
"All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer -
Man this thread merge mess makes for some interesting reading...
New here as well, I can tell you that the number of Brown's fans in Texas has exploded in the last 12 hours.
First, let's get this straight... with one exception, none of you Johnny-Football-come-latelys are Browns fans.
You weren't Wednesday...
After a week you will not be heard from again until training camp opens...
And had any of 18 other NFL teams deemed your boy worthy enough, you would not be here now.
We Browns fans would be...
The one exception was a noob named H-Town Brown. In his very first post he introduced himself as a Manziel fan and then asked the forum to help him get to know the Browns. THAT is a new Browns fan in the making.
MikeHole said:
No, even when wrong you have to spin it to be right, somehow.
It's fascinating
Exactly what the fuck was he spinning? I swear your head is so far up your MikeHole the fumes have made you delusional.
MikeHole said:
Farmer said in December he wanted Manziel--it was reported last night, so claiming it was Haslams pick, even after Haslam said he wouldn't interfere (which the Anti-Manziel clan used to support their arguments that the Browns would pass on Manziel) is just denial.
Denial ain't jus a river in Egypt kids.
Drunk? Stoned? Both? Or just more fumes? Your post makes no sense, Mr. PFWA. That we drafted Manziel is now a fact. No one is denying it.
But yes, I hoped that the Haslam statement put to rest the hope that JM was coming to Cleveland... not afraid to admit it.
Talk about spin... such an air of confidence now. The likes of which we did not see for 18 picks, or roughly 2 hours of Round 1. Never a doubt... right, MikeHole? LOL...
i honestly don't know if i can handle the stupidity of NFL fans. I really don't... Yes, GOAT is his ceiling. That's what some call, an "opinion". In this thread I've posted reasons I think he's that special.
If you can't handle it, then leave with our stupid, collective blessings... You will not be missed.
But if you stay, chew on this a while and I'll be happy to discuss it with you.
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28821&view=findpost&p=404221
You have a look too, MikeHole, but I warn you it has a lot of words in it and some things called t h o u g h t s.
While I genuinely believe that JM will not see the field Week 1 except for warm-ups... I'll go further than that.When JF throws the first TD pass against Pittsburgh in week 1, you'll all be doing the cash money sign with him.
Don't act like you won't.
If I ever do that fucking stupid move, TC, then I will send you a certified check for $10,000. You have my word on it...
I can't wait for Tour's response to this one.
Did I disappoint?
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Is Manziel already the anointed starter? please share what you think. A battle. Hoyer's job to lose. Or, Manziel is the top dog. . .
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