Browns knew about Gordon an now tanking 2014
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WR's are shiny hood ornaments. They complete the offense, they do not make it. OL>WR every day of the week. Think about it: An average-to-good game for a WR is being on the other end of a pass for only 4 plays each game.
Jerry Rice was not the centerpiece of the SF offense; it was #1 before he was drafted. However, the year prior to Rice, the leading receiver was Roger Craig.
The offense will be better with Bitonio over Lee. The defense will be better with Gilbert over Watkins. The offense will be better with Manziel as well.
Instead of worrying about Gordon being out, think of the Browns getting a high draft pick next year.. in addition to 2 first-round picks in the draft.
Instead of worrying about Gordon being out, think of the Browns getting a high draft pick next year.. in addition to 2 first-round picks in the draft.
Well I was with you until that part. I do not want the Browns to have a high 1st round pick ... Unless you mean high in # like 20+ or do you mean high like early? Oh god, I just talked (typed??) myself in a circle.
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Sammy Watkins
Xavier Su'a-Filo
Derek Carr
Carlos Hyde
Stanley Jean-Baptiste
Honestly, at this point- I would have rather had the Raider's Draft.
Sammy Watkins
Xavier Su'a-Filo
Derek Carr
Carlos Hyde
Stanley Jean-Baptiste
Honestly, at this point- I would have rather had the Raider's Draft.
But guess what the Browns now have that the Bills don't. Extra 1st and 4th round picks next year. I say the Browns look a hell of a lot better when you add it all up.
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He's a homo who wants every browns player to touch his balls
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I'm seeing 4-12 right along with you bud. But If offense wins go explain how Denver's super offense laid a super egg in the Super Bowl against a super DEFENSE.
Mhmmm sooo many super defenses win it every year...dead wrong..it happens every few years then everyone goes "look..defenses wins championships" keep telling yourself that..because we both know its not true.
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i never got the username nickers. isn't that the english name for panties?
manly.
not.
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How has Julio jones made the falcons better? Lol.
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How has Julio jones made the falcons better? Lol.
How has Julio jones made the falcons better? Lol.
I'm assuming you've never seen him play.
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How has Julio jones made the falcons better? Lol.
I'm assuming you've never seen him play.
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Let's not forget we were 4-12 even with Gordon's 1600 yards and 9 TD's. Divided those among the receivers we have (I'm sure Hoyer or Johnny could) and run and take care of the football, play solid D and we're on our way to 10 or 11 wins. Just cool it brah. If we drafted a bunch of useless players at no positions of need then I'd agree but it's evident that they addressed the major needs in the draft.
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Also if not mistaken for multiple reasons (one of which is we were always trying to catch up) we threw more than any other team in the league.
With West and a much better guard we should be banging away a few yards and a few minutes with the run.
And giving and improved defense ability to rest for a little bit between possesions
WSS
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Julio Jones is a good WR no doubt about it. But his time with the Falcons proves that he isn't the whole team. He doesn't make them so much better that there's a difference between last and first with or without him. They have a franchise QB, they've had a solid running game, and other stellar receiving options i.e. Roddy White; to me their defense has been what's held them back
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Julio Jones is a good WR no doubt about it. But his time with the Falcons proves that he isn't the whole team. He doesn't make them so much better that there's a difference between last and first with or without him. They have a franchise QB, they've had a solid running game, and other stellar receiving options i.e. Roddy White; to me their defense has been what's held them back
Julio Jones is a good WR no doubt about it. But his time with the Falcons proves that he isn't the whole team. He doesn't make them so much better that there's a difference between last and first with or without him. They have a franchise QB, they've had a solid running game, and other stellar receiving options i.e. Roddy White; to me their defense has been what's held them back
Precisely. They have been weak on the defensive line. Superstar receivers don't help much when there are other huge holes to fill.
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And their record compared to before and after they drafted him?
Outside of on bad year (last year) pretty well. In his limited action last year he damn near single handedly won them at least 1 game in the 4th quarter and came close to doing it again with a fractured foot vs the Jets.
You obviously haven't seen him play.
I get if you're fine with the trade we made for the Falcons, I am as well, but don't be a complete douche and talk shit about Julio's ability to play the game when you've never seen him play.
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Julio Jones is a good WR no doubt about it. But his time with the Falcons proves that he isn't the whole team. He doesn't make them so much better that there's a difference between last and first with or without him. They have a franchise QB, they've had a solid running game, and other stellar receiving options i.e. Roddy White; to me their defense has been what's held them back
Julio Jones is a good WR no doubt about it. But his time with the Falcons proves that he isn't the whole team. He doesn't make them so much better that there's a difference between last and first with or without him. They have a franchise QB, they've had a solid running game, and other stellar receiving options i.e. Roddy White; to me their defense has been what's held them back
I agree they would've been well served using those traded picks on upgrading their defense and o line. However I think they would've won a few more games last year if he's healthy despite their myriad of other problems.
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And their record compared to before and after they drafted him?
Outside of on bad year (last year) pretty well. In his limited action last year he damn near single handedly won them at least 1 game in the 4th quarter and came close to doing it again with a fractured foot vs the Jets.
You obviously haven't seen him play.
I get if you're fine with the trade we made for the Falcons, I am as well, but don't be a complete douche and talk shit about Julio's ability to play the game when you've never seen him play.
I've seen him play. Doesn't matter If I have or not. Also don't put words In my mouth, I didn't say he sucked. They were a division champion team before they drafted him. Their record did not drastically improve nor did they advance to the Super Bowl because of him being there.Outside of on bad year (last year) pretty well. In his limited action last year he damn near single handedly won them at least 1 game in the 4th quarter and came close to doing it again with a fractured foot vs the Jets.
You obviously haven't seen him play.
I get if you're fine with the trade we made for the Falcons, I am as well, but don't be a complete douche and talk shit about Julio's ability to play the game when you've never seen him play.
So he singlehandedly won them a game? What he made every tackle on D and took every offensive snap, throwing the ball to himself?
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@mike-h said:
Whether Farmer is right or not, plenty of people here should admit they were wrong that WR was a top priority. I was wrong thinking they would add a No. 2 in the second round.
Farmer was happy enough with his WRs he didn't even plan to draft any. Just shows how far off the Watkins crowd is from reality.
Actually, Farmer is quoted as saying they almost turned in the card on Watkins, and were comfortable doing so. But to get Gilbert (The browns feel cornerback is as every bit important as wr) and a first round pick was a huge haul. There were plenty of WRs at 35 that they liked but they had Bitonio so high over everybody else on their board they couldn't pass him. They were hoping some of those guys they liked at 35 would fall to #71, but that didn't happen. After that, they were comfortable shopping the udfas.
This is all from Farmer himself, I don't have the link handy, may have been the King article.
Zombo
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I've seen him play. Doesn't matter If I have or not. Also don't put words In my mouth, I didn't say he sucked. They were a division champion team before they drafted him. Their record did not drastically improve nor did they advance to the Super Bowl because of him being there.Outside of on bad year (last year) pretty well. In his limited action last year he damn near single handedly won them at least 1 game in the 4th quarter and came close to doing it again with a fractured foot vs the Jets.
You obviously haven't seen him play.
I get if you're fine with the trade we made for the Falcons, I am as well, but don't be a complete douche and talk shit about Julio's ability to play the game when you've never seen him play.
So he singlehandedly won them a game? What he made every tackle on D and took every offensive snap, throwing the ball to himself?
I've seen him play. Doesn't matter If I have or not. Also don't put words In my mouth, I didn't say he sucked. They were a division champion team before they drafted him. Their record did not drastically improve nor did they advance to the Super Bowl because of him being there.
So he singlehandedly won them a game? What he made every tackle on D and took every offensive snap, throwing the ball to himself?
Haha you give me shit for putting words in your mouth and then you turn around and do that same shit. Congrats.
"In his limited action last year he damn near single handedly won them at least 1 game in the 4th quarter and came close to doing it again with a fractured foot vs the Jets."
Word for word from my previous post.
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@mike-h said:
Whether Farmer is right or not, plenty of people here should admit they were wrong that WR was a top priority. I was wrong thinking they would add a No. 2 in the second round.
Farmer was happy enough with his WRs he didn't even plan to draft any. Just shows how far off the Watkins crowd is from reality.
Actually, Farmer is quoted as saying they almost turned in the card on Watkins, and were comfortable doing so. But to get Gilbert (The browns feel cornerback is as every bit important as wr) and a first round pick was a huge haul. There were plenty of WRs at 35 that they liked but they had Bitonio so high over everybody else on their board they couldn't pass him. They were hoping some of those guys they liked at 35 would fall to #71, but that didn't happen. After that, they were comfortable shopping the udfas.
This is all from Farmer himself, I don't have the link handy, may have been the King article.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Actually, Farmer is quoted as saying they almost turned in the card on Watkins, and were comfortable doing so. But to get Gilbert (The browns feel cornerback is as every bit important as wr) and a first round pick was a huge haul. There were plenty of WRs at 35 that they liked but they had Bitonio so high on everybody else on their board they couldn't pass him. Hoping some of those guys they liked at 35 would fall to #71, but that didn't happen. After that, they were comfortable shopping the udfas.
This is all from Farmer himself, I don't have the link handy, may have been the King article.
Zombo
I just hope they're right Z. I don't care what the "oh Gordon's not the whole team" guys are saying- losing him for an extended period is a huge loss. We've seen this act before- teams will jam the line and take away the running game with no real downfield threat.
Yeah Greg Little can be a legit #2 wr- assuming he can ever learn to catch the damn ball. Benjamin is a deep threat, but he's coming off an ACL. Burleson looks like he's fragile as glass. My Bengals fans say we got a steal in Hawkins- we'll see about that.
This is Julio Jones Groundhog day folks. That extra pick means nothing if it's used on another Brandon Weeden, or Steve Heiden. What's demoralizing is it sends a signal to the fans- wait until next year guys, we're not ready for Prime Time yet.
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