Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I would think that any player in the NFL would have a championship as his goal. Maybe even a longer career as a starting player.
I like Bernie Kosar but he certainly gets the benefit of the Rose (or orange) colored glasses.
Then again so does my favorite Brown Brian Sipe.
WSS
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WW I hope you're right. I hoped you were wrong that they would pick JFF. But they did, so I'm all in for JFF to turn this team into a winner. But I believe Hoyer starts...and I'm ok with that. If Hoyer proves he's the best guy, and we win with JFF holding a clipboard, I'm just fine with that too.
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I would take any 80's - Early 90's QB over any of the guys coming in the last 10 years. The mentality of the game has changed considerably. It's all about "Me" and not the "team". There are still a few coming out that appear to be about the "team", but it is becoming less and less of a concept. Most of these kids, as soon as they here their name in that first round, are thinking about their image, their product, and their marketability.
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He looks like a fucking elf, I can't take him seriously. He did buy shots for people, that's a plus. Though he smiles like my dog does after he has eaten cat shit. I vote for Axle's son with Vince in second.
...And please don't refer to him as Elvis unless you want to find him dead in a bathroom with 8 boxes of fudgesicles, 10 lbs of fried chicken, and a dozen half eaten bananas fully knowing he was masturbating and crying at the time of expiration. Elvis was a phony and a sham, don't toss the elf into that category just yet.
He looks like a fucking elf, I can't take him seriously. He did buy shots for people, that's a plus. Though he smiles like my dog does after he has eaten cat shit. I vote for Axle's son with Vince in second.
...And please don't refer to him as Elvis unless you want to find him dead in a bathroom with 8 boxes of fudgesicles, 10 lbs of fried chicken, and a dozen half eaten bananas fully knowing he was masturbating and crying at the time of expiration. Elvis was a phony and a sham, don't toss the elf into that category just yet.
Ha...perfect timing with the return of the Brownie as mascot. I forsee Brownie t-shirts with JF's face being made and sold on the streets of Cleveland...
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I am sick of all the "HE IS GOD".. "NO HE SUCKS" posts. So I thought I would start an unbiased thread. Show me where he is bad and makes bad decisions. Or show me how great he is.
I will start with a link...
I have watched the first 5 minutes of this game.. This is a 2013 bowl game between Texas A&M and OK... First 6 snaps with Manziel at QB.
1st snap, designed run play I think to get everyone back in the game, having been away from football for several weeks. Gains 5
2nd snap hand off run play, stuffed for only 2 yards.
3rd snap.. Pure Manziel.. What I liked is that he STOOD IN THE POCKET and checked down 3 receivers before having to bail and run
He got an easy first down.
4th snap. Hand off and great run
5th snap. Hand off and great run...
The whole sequence was done in a 2 minute style offense that resulted in OK having to use a Timeout WITH ONLY 2 MINUTES off the clock in the 1st quarter.....
That is the type of fast past, quick thinking QB we need.... I don't know who wins this game so don't spoil it for me, I am going back to watch the rest... I will stop back in with more critiques..
BobPound!
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Ok. watched the end of the first possession of this game. First play is a stuffed run... 2nd is a Designed pass play. He patiently checks down about 2 receivers was working on the 3rd when he was forced to scramble. Most QB's, this results in a throw away pass or a sack.. He rolls left and outruns everyone to the edge and instead of running out or sliding, he makes a nice move to tip toe to the end zone.
TD.
Bobpound!
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I tell you what I see that I don't like so far, the run plays seem to be designed for him to lower his shoulder in to the oncoming LBs. Not saying that we're going to run the same thing - I doubt we will - but much like a RB coming out of college he's taken a lot of hits.
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I agree Chris.. That designed run play off the bat, was kind of stupid. He took a good lick though and popped right up..
Watched the 2nd possession... End with a punt, but a good possession.
What I liked on this set of downs was that he stayed in the pocket as long as he could. I watched him going through processions to at least 2nd and even 3rd receiver on one of the downs..
He threw two over the top passes, over shot the first one pretty bad.. The 2nd was actually a great pass, but the CB got away with pretty blatant interference..
I liked his inside throws to Evans..
Ends with him doing the Johnny Football thing.. Jumped off his back foot to toss to the open man..
What I liked about the end of this play(and a few others before), is the reaction of the receivers when they meet the first tacklers.. THEY TRY HARD not to go down.. this is an intangible in my opinion.. they see how hard the QB worked to get them that ball and they are a few yards short of the first down, and they seem to be trying harder......
BobPound!
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3rd possession.
Some nice throws, slant to Evan's hit him in stride. Perfect throw.
Tries to go back to the well and this is the first hint of his Height being an issue.. Lineman doesn't even have to jump, just puts his hand up and blocks the slant pass.. I can imagine how much taller the line will be in the NFL for him... He seems to avoid throwing the inside slants and posts so far.. This is likely because of his inability to easily see robbers waiting to jump the route.
His release is fast though.. Like lightning fast... He doesn't have a clear wind up like some big bomb throwers.. I also like the play action he uses.. Very tricky... Fakes twice to the RB and then lightning fast release to Evans.
What is also underrated for Manziel, is his ability to work out of the fast paced two minute drill ALL THE TIME.. And he has made at least 2 or 3 complex audibles at the line.. This is why working from the 2 minute is so great, especially with a smart QB.. They have the time to reset the line and the RB's and communicate the change to the WR's....
Next 3 plays are very nice, Fast throws and accurate and catches the receivers in stride which is so damn important in the NFL.. You cannot teach that. Either you have an eye for hitting things where THEY WILL BE, not where they are..
THEN JOHNNY FOOTBALL again.. I do not like this decision on the part of Manziel and this is where he will get massacred in the NFL, but the end result is fucking awesome... Runs for about 30 while avoiding half the defense.. But a BAD BAD decision.... It was a designed pass play I believe but he saw the hole in front of him and pulled the ball down and ran.. BAD.. Those holes are always in front of NFL QB's.. And guess what.. THEY CLOSE FAST and he will get creamed if he tries that against Pittsburg..
AND BANG there it is.. Why his "Johnny Football" antics are going to be big trouble for him in the NFL..... They get the ball to the 5 yard line and they start bringing blitzes from different angles.. First time he makes the right choice, stands in the pocket and throws threw the end zone for an incomplete pass, no chance for an interception.
Defense does the same thing, blitzes two from the outside.. He sees the first on his right and does the JF thing and rolls back to the right.. OMFG another Blitzer!!!! JOHNNY FOOTBALL TO THE RESCUE!! Throws an interception in the end zone.... Horrible decision making.
BobPound!
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After watching it again.. his throw was not that bad.. WR tipped it up .. HE SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT IT!! But the reality is that the throw should have never happened...
Bobpound!
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If it's a real report, it's stupid, shallow, just like lumpbardi is.
I wasn't a Manziel fan, but the more you look at him and the reports the
Browns got when they actually did serious research about him...
he's the real deal. Quirky, but growing up. Extremely intelligent, great heart,
seems to have outstanding peripheral vision, instincts, elusive, a lot more arm
than I gave him credit for, tough, competitive, LOVES the game....wants to WIN.
but Canton Mike said all that before the draft, so I still "hate" Manziel for the fun of it....
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I tell you what though, as a WildDawg RB, he would be sensational.
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Next possession was a blur... Nice trick play that I still don't know how he got the ball to Evan's like that.. Weird release.. But gains 30.. Fast paced 3 plays get him to the 5 yard line.
Very nice play action and sweeps seamlessly to the left, realizes no one is shadowing him and a walk in TD.
If the Defender had released to go after him, it was still a TD likely on a throw....
BobPound!
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top of the 3rd quarter.
First two throws to Swope(BTW anyone know if he got drafted and by whom? He is a good receiver).. Especially liked the touch throw across his body to the left as he goes out of bounds Very nice throws.
Next play is I think where the Maziel haters hang their hat.. But I have to wonder.... OK brings a safety or CB on a clean blitz, no one between the blitzer and the QB...
How does this end for most QB's? How does it end for Weedon nearly every time last year? Sack? Throw away to the side lines.. Bad decision throw into traffic and a pick(which is exactly what this play is designed to do.. Cause the QB to throw to the hot receiver where a robber is waiting to jump the route!!).... Manziel does something only he and a handful of other NFL QB's can do... Out run a CB or Safety to the edge..Result is an easy first down.
Next few plays aren't the best calls from an NFL point of view.. Several designed QB runs capped by an Option toss to the HB for a TD!
The option works here because of the credible threat of Manziel running.. The Linebacker bites and the HB makes the edge and scores.
BobPound!
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ugh. play per play, really? hope you've got nothing to do for a long, long time.
go away.
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Swope apparently retired because of concussion issues.
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Next possession. 2nd play is a very nice view of Manziel standing in the pocket and no panicking.
goes through all FOUR receivers and comes back to the top of the list and hits a receiver adlibbing and coming back to the QB, fast throw and accurate...
Again, this is where Manziel gets hated on I think after watching this game and the Alabama game... As a QB if a lineman gets free and is going to grab the QB and sack him, this is where Manziel avoids being caught and sacked..
9 times out of 10, those "crazy Johnny Football" moments came from him avoiding being sacked or being forced to throw the ball away... Why is it that he has "happy feet" in the pocket? I have yet to see him throw the ball away OR take a sack OR run away out of the pocket for no good reason.
He seems allergic to wasting EVEN ONE DOWN.. If he is going to take a sack or have to throw the ball away, it seems he chooses to pull the ball down and make something happen with his feet..
I realized that Swope is a TE and this bodes well for the Browns as he will have a hell of a TE to throw too. Two very nice plays where he fakes the inside HB run and they bite both times, nice throw to Swopes on the run and catches him in stride..
Nice HB run.. TD.
BobPound!
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This isn't play by play.. I am watching what will likely be our QB at some point in the future....
I am not some Manziel Fanboy, as I never watched him play until I watched a replay of the Texas AM/Alabama game, and now this one.
Both games are almost identical. A super fast paced offense that overwhelms the defense..
To finish this up.. Manziel throws yet another excellent slant pass to the outside to Swopes.. he catches in full stride and takes it to the outside to score...
Great pass...... Going to end it here as the game is probably over at this point.. I will fast forward to see if they win with any more points.
Synopsis... He has a great release, great anticipation of where receivers will be.. Makes his reads and progresses through them for as long as he can and instead of having to take the sack or throw the ball away or make a bad decision.. He makes moves and runs and usually gets forward progress.
His height appears to be an issue for throwing over the top to the inside, he seems to only be comfortable throwing to the middle after he has rolled out and can get some vision of the middle..
Excellent out side throws and seems to be able to throw the long ball with some decent touch.. But not a bomb thrower.. But I don't like that in a QB anyways.. So few are good at that..
He made quite a few bad decisions to run the ball on designed passing plays.. Pulling the ball down when he saw an opening.. Those openings will not be there in the NFL for long... He leads with his head.. another problem.... I don't think he should be taught to slide as this is how QB's get hurt in my opinion.. He just needs to be taught to use those fast moves to get to the sideline and get out.
Seemed poised the whole game.. Between him and the Center, they called an ENTIRE GAME in the 2 minute offense. Called some successful audibles from the line.. Never seemed flustered .. And didn't throw any bad interceptions.. The one that is on the record was an easily caught ball deflected by the WR.. AND NO SACKS!
I am pretty impressed by his play.... I watched a few games with Bridgewater and Bortles and Carr and by far I feel the fundamentals of Manziel are far superior.. Plus the added bonus of fast legs and his ability to run.. I think we got the best QB pick...
Bobpound!
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@everlastingxxx said:
The Brandon Weeden era is one play away.
That sentence right there almost made me choke. I think my head almost popped as well.
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