Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I agree Chris.. That designed run play off the bat, was kind of stupid. He took a good lick though and popped right up..
Watched the 2nd possession... End with a punt, but a good possession.
What I liked on this set of downs was that he stayed in the pocket as long as he could. I watched him going through processions to at least 2nd and even 3rd receiver on one of the downs..
He threw two over the top passes, over shot the first one pretty bad.. The 2nd was actually a great pass, but the CB got away with pretty blatant interference..
I liked his inside throws to Evans..
Ends with him doing the Johnny Football thing.. Jumped off his back foot to toss to the open man..
What I liked about the end of this play(and a few others before), is the reaction of the receivers when they meet the first tacklers.. THEY TRY HARD not to go down.. this is an intangible in my opinion.. they see how hard the QB worked to get them that ball and they are a few yards short of the first down, and they seem to be trying harder......
BobPound!
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3rd possession.
Some nice throws, slant to Evan's hit him in stride. Perfect throw.
Tries to go back to the well and this is the first hint of his Height being an issue.. Lineman doesn't even have to jump, just puts his hand up and blocks the slant pass.. I can imagine how much taller the line will be in the NFL for him... He seems to avoid throwing the inside slants and posts so far.. This is likely because of his inability to easily see robbers waiting to jump the route.
His release is fast though.. Like lightning fast... He doesn't have a clear wind up like some big bomb throwers.. I also like the play action he uses.. Very tricky... Fakes twice to the RB and then lightning fast release to Evans.
What is also underrated for Manziel, is his ability to work out of the fast paced two minute drill ALL THE TIME.. And he has made at least 2 or 3 complex audibles at the line.. This is why working from the 2 minute is so great, especially with a smart QB.. They have the time to reset the line and the RB's and communicate the change to the WR's....
Next 3 plays are very nice, Fast throws and accurate and catches the receivers in stride which is so damn important in the NFL.. You cannot teach that. Either you have an eye for hitting things where THEY WILL BE, not where they are..
THEN JOHNNY FOOTBALL again.. I do not like this decision on the part of Manziel and this is where he will get massacred in the NFL, but the end result is fucking awesome... Runs for about 30 while avoiding half the defense.. But a BAD BAD decision.... It was a designed pass play I believe but he saw the hole in front of him and pulled the ball down and ran.. BAD.. Those holes are always in front of NFL QB's.. And guess what.. THEY CLOSE FAST and he will get creamed if he tries that against Pittsburg..
AND BANG there it is.. Why his "Johnny Football" antics are going to be big trouble for him in the NFL..... They get the ball to the 5 yard line and they start bringing blitzes from different angles.. First time he makes the right choice, stands in the pocket and throws threw the end zone for an incomplete pass, no chance for an interception.
Defense does the same thing, blitzes two from the outside.. He sees the first on his right and does the JF thing and rolls back to the right.. OMFG another Blitzer!!!! JOHNNY FOOTBALL TO THE RESCUE!! Throws an interception in the end zone.... Horrible decision making.
BobPound!
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After watching it again.. his throw was not that bad.. WR tipped it up .. HE SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT IT!! But the reality is that the throw should have never happened...
Bobpound!
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If it's a real report, it's stupid, shallow, just like lumpbardi is.
I wasn't a Manziel fan, but the more you look at him and the reports the
Browns got when they actually did serious research about him...
he's the real deal. Quirky, but growing up. Extremely intelligent, great heart,
seems to have outstanding peripheral vision, instincts, elusive, a lot more arm
than I gave him credit for, tough, competitive, LOVES the game....wants to WIN.
but Canton Mike said all that before the draft, so I still "hate" Manziel for the fun of it....
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I tell you what though, as a WildDawg RB, he would be sensational.
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Next possession was a blur... Nice trick play that I still don't know how he got the ball to Evan's like that.. Weird release.. But gains 30.. Fast paced 3 plays get him to the 5 yard line.
Very nice play action and sweeps seamlessly to the left, realizes no one is shadowing him and a walk in TD.
If the Defender had released to go after him, it was still a TD likely on a throw....
BobPound!
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top of the 3rd quarter.
First two throws to Swope(BTW anyone know if he got drafted and by whom? He is a good receiver).. Especially liked the touch throw across his body to the left as he goes out of bounds Very nice throws.
Next play is I think where the Maziel haters hang their hat.. But I have to wonder.... OK brings a safety or CB on a clean blitz, no one between the blitzer and the QB...
How does this end for most QB's? How does it end for Weedon nearly every time last year? Sack? Throw away to the side lines.. Bad decision throw into traffic and a pick(which is exactly what this play is designed to do.. Cause the QB to throw to the hot receiver where a robber is waiting to jump the route!!).... Manziel does something only he and a handful of other NFL QB's can do... Out run a CB or Safety to the edge..Result is an easy first down.
Next few plays aren't the best calls from an NFL point of view.. Several designed QB runs capped by an Option toss to the HB for a TD!
The option works here because of the credible threat of Manziel running.. The Linebacker bites and the HB makes the edge and scores.
BobPound!
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ugh. play per play, really? hope you've got nothing to do for a long, long time.
go away.
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Swope apparently retired because of concussion issues.
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Next possession. 2nd play is a very nice view of Manziel standing in the pocket and no panicking.
goes through all FOUR receivers and comes back to the top of the list and hits a receiver adlibbing and coming back to the QB, fast throw and accurate...
Again, this is where Manziel gets hated on I think after watching this game and the Alabama game... As a QB if a lineman gets free and is going to grab the QB and sack him, this is where Manziel avoids being caught and sacked..
9 times out of 10, those "crazy Johnny Football" moments came from him avoiding being sacked or being forced to throw the ball away... Why is it that he has "happy feet" in the pocket? I have yet to see him throw the ball away OR take a sack OR run away out of the pocket for no good reason.
He seems allergic to wasting EVEN ONE DOWN.. If he is going to take a sack or have to throw the ball away, it seems he chooses to pull the ball down and make something happen with his feet..
I realized that Swope is a TE and this bodes well for the Browns as he will have a hell of a TE to throw too. Two very nice plays where he fakes the inside HB run and they bite both times, nice throw to Swopes on the run and catches him in stride..
Nice HB run.. TD.
BobPound!
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This isn't play by play.. I am watching what will likely be our QB at some point in the future....
I am not some Manziel Fanboy, as I never watched him play until I watched a replay of the Texas AM/Alabama game, and now this one.
Both games are almost identical. A super fast paced offense that overwhelms the defense..
To finish this up.. Manziel throws yet another excellent slant pass to the outside to Swopes.. he catches in full stride and takes it to the outside to score...
Great pass...... Going to end it here as the game is probably over at this point.. I will fast forward to see if they win with any more points.
Synopsis... He has a great release, great anticipation of where receivers will be.. Makes his reads and progresses through them for as long as he can and instead of having to take the sack or throw the ball away or make a bad decision.. He makes moves and runs and usually gets forward progress.
His height appears to be an issue for throwing over the top to the inside, he seems to only be comfortable throwing to the middle after he has rolled out and can get some vision of the middle..
Excellent out side throws and seems to be able to throw the long ball with some decent touch.. But not a bomb thrower.. But I don't like that in a QB anyways.. So few are good at that..
He made quite a few bad decisions to run the ball on designed passing plays.. Pulling the ball down when he saw an opening.. Those openings will not be there in the NFL for long... He leads with his head.. another problem.... I don't think he should be taught to slide as this is how QB's get hurt in my opinion.. He just needs to be taught to use those fast moves to get to the sideline and get out.
Seemed poised the whole game.. Between him and the Center, they called an ENTIRE GAME in the 2 minute offense. Called some successful audibles from the line.. Never seemed flustered .. And didn't throw any bad interceptions.. The one that is on the record was an easily caught ball deflected by the WR.. AND NO SACKS!
I am pretty impressed by his play.... I watched a few games with Bridgewater and Bortles and Carr and by far I feel the fundamentals of Manziel are far superior.. Plus the added bonus of fast legs and his ability to run.. I think we got the best QB pick...
Bobpound!
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@everlastingxxx said:
The Brandon Weeden era is one play away.
That sentence right there almost made me choke. I think my head almost popped as well.
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I'll be honest, before the draft, some may remember that I had "Anyone But Johnny Scramble" as my signature. I would've hated the pick at #4, but what we did at 4 (player and extra 1st round pick) and where we ultimately took Johnny, was perfectly fine with me. I believe he is worth the risk at 22.
That being said, I just don't know if his play (could care less about his persona and everything else that surrounds him) is going to translate in the NFL. I hope it does with every fiber of my body as I am tired of loving a loser.
"Most" of us think he will either be the next HoF QB, or the next Eric Zeier. I am in neither camp and am filled 50/50 with high hopes, and fear. I will root for Johnny when he gets his chance, just like I root for anyone wearing the orange, brown and white laundry.
In the end, history will be the only one that tells Johnny's story. Some of us will proclaim ourselves as geniuses, while others simply forget what they said about him. Hopefully my hope wins out, and kicks the crap out of my fear.
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alright. he's a brown. i get it.
but if you want to start a memorium, can you do it somewhere else?
this isn't the johnny manziel forum, this is the brown's forum.
show me where someone broke down joe haden or joe thomas's college games play by play and posted them here on the forum.
a little over the top don't ya think by someone who just joined and who is obviously just a JF fan and not a brown's fan.
wasted space on some server some where.
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It was a very good gamble pick. He may be a media darling and the talk of the draft but I will reserve judgments till I see some Sunday games. Not to many people have the right attitude on this pick whether it being to high or low. He wasn't even the first qb taken and probably shouldn't have been. Not many elite Qbs drop like a rock like he did. And homos I don't wanna hear ohhhh what about Aaron Rodgers that is a bluemoon situation. His first test of being elite comes when he wins the starting qb job.
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I'll be honest, before the draft, some may remember that I had "Anyone But Johnny Scramble" as my signature. I would've hated the pick at #4, but what we did at 4 (player and extra 1st round pick) and where we ultimately took Johnny, was perfectly fine with me. I believe he is worth the risk at 22.
That being said, I just don't know if his play (could care less about his persona and everything else that surrounds him) is going to translate in the NFL. I hope it does with every fiber of my body as I am tired of loving a loser.
"Most" of us think he will either be the next HoF QB, or the next Eric Zeier. I am in neither camp and am filled 50/50 with high hopes, and fear. I will root for Johnny when he gets his chance, just like I root for anyone wearing the orange, brown and white laundry.
In the end, history will be the only one that tells Johnny's story. Some of us will proclaim ourselves as geniuses, while others simply forget what they said about him. Hopefully my hope wins out, and kicks the crap out of my fear.
I'll be honest, before the draft, some may remember that I had "Anyone But Johnny Scramble" as my signature. I would've hated the pick at #4, but what we did at 4 (player and extra 1st round pick) and where we ultimately took Johnny, was perfectly fine with me. I believe he is worth the risk at 22.
That being said, I just don't know if his play (could care less about his persona and everything else that surrounds him) is going to translate in the NFL. I hope it does with every fiber of my body as I am tired of loving a loser.
"Most" of us think he will either be the next HoF QB, or the next Eric Zeier. I am in neither camp and am filled 50/50 with high hopes, and fear. I will root for Johnny when he gets his chance, just like I root for anyone wearing the orange, brown and white laundry.
In the end, history will be the only one that tells Johnny's story. Some of us will proclaim ourselves as geniuses, while others simply forget what they said about him. Hopefully my hope wins out, and kicks the crap out of my fear.
I agree completely... I do not think he is ready to play yet and even if Hoyer isn't ready on day 1, the other backups should start in front of him.
He needs to play hard in the Pre-Season and understand how much faster the NFL is going to be. I think they should let him start at least once with the first team(maybe 3rd or 4th game) just so he can see how fast and how punishing those DB's can be and maybe he will learn to find the open man, instead of running.
he needs work, no doubt...
BobPOunds!
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alright. he's a brown. i get it.
but if you want to start a memorium, can you do it somewhere else?
this isn't the johnny manziel forum, this is the brown's forum.
show me where someone broke down joe haden or joe thomas's college games play by play and posted them here on the forum.
a little over the top don't ya think by someone who just joined and who is obviously just a JF fan and not a brown's fan.
wasted space on some server some where.
alright. he's a brown. i get it.
but if you want to start a memorium, can you do it somewhere else?
this isn't the johnny manziel forum, this is the brown's forum.
show me where someone broke down joe haden or joe thomas's college games play by play and posted them here on the forum.
a little over the top don't ya think by someone who just joined and who is obviously just a JF fan and not a brown's fan.
wasted space on some server some where.
What is your problem? I NEVER WATCHED MANZIEL before two weeks ago..
Been a browns fan since 1979 and Brian Sipe.. I didn't do a PLAY BY PLAY of the entire game.. I have read most of your posts since draft day on Thursday and they are all the same.. Some kind of deep anger towards someone... Take a breath and enjoy the few months we have, before reality sets back in...
BobPound!
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alright. he's a brown. i get it.
but if you want to start a memorium, can you do it somewhere else?
this isn't the johnny manziel forum, this is the brown's forum.
show me where someone broke down joe haden or joe thomas's college games play by play and posted them here on the forum.
a little over the top don't ya think by someone who just joined and who is obviously just a JF fan and not a brown's fan.
wasted space on some server some where.
alright. he's a brown. i get it.
but if you want to start a memorium, can you do it somewhere else?
this isn't the johnny manziel forum, this is the brown's forum.
show me where someone broke down joe haden or joe thomas's college games play by play and posted them here on the forum.
a little over the top don't ya think by someone who just joined and who is obviously just a JF fan and not a brown's fan.
wasted space on some server some where.
Still one Justin Gilbert thread, buried on the second or third page.
827 Johnny threads.
I love Browns fans, but we sure do get gay about QBs.
We will win a Super Bowl when we have a Championship Team. Hopefully Johnny plays a role in that, just like RW did for Seattle.
Zombo
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alright. he's a brown. i get it.
but if you want to start a memorium, can you do it somewhere else?
this isn't the johnny manziel forum, this is the brown's forum.
show me where someone broke down joe haden or joe thomas's college games play by play and posted them here on the forum.
a little over the top don't ya think by someone who just joined and who is obviously just a JF fan and not a brown's fan.
wasted space on some server some where.
Still one Justin Gilbert thread, buried on the second or third page.
827 Johnny threads.
I love Browns fans, but we sure do get gay about QBs.
We will win a Super Bowl when we have a Championship Team. Hopefully Johnny plays a role in that, just like RW did for Seattle.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Still one Justin Gilbert thread, buried on the second or third page.
827 Johnny threads.
I love Browns fans, but we sure do get gay about QBs.
We will win a Super Bowl when we have a Championship Team. Hopefully Johnny plays a role in that, just like RW did for Seattle.
Zombo
Well you have to admit that the Browns have a tendency towards QB drama, so I would expect that the ratio of people commenting on a QB pick versus a super solid pick for DB should be about 20 to 1..
There is little to no debating that Gilbert was the best pick for us at that spot, especially with the 1st round pick cherry in 2015 thrown on top...
Manziel is a little less so.. There were a lot of good players on the board at 22(or 26 if we didn't trade up).... You have to expect that all the talk is going to be focused on QB for a long time...
Well that and Josh Gordon's impending suspension.... Part of being a Browns fan..
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