Connor Shaw
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I live overseas and at times there are re-runs of all kinds of sports. Today SC was playing Georgia, had to watch some of it to see what Conner Shaw could do now that he is at least flying to Cleveland. Well I am sure a lot of you saw the game last fall and have their own comments but overall he was ok, Murray looked a lot better imho. I did see some glimpses of footwork, good throws etc., but what I never noticed was him checking off his primary target without scrambling. Sounds kind of like Manziel. Bottom line was it was at least interesting to tune in to a potential Brownie.
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really? i like to think im making logical points re: johnny. this guy is just listing off cliches and stating uneducated scuttlebutt as absolutes. i don't see the comparison.
and you think i'm giving him a hard time but (imo) i'm challenging him to make an actual argument. johnny slept in one morning is not an argument. getting married is not an argument.
stating johnny has proven immediate success at a high level before is an argument.
saying johnny has a 97 QB rating on third down, *highest to ever enter the modern draft, is an argument.
i'd love to read an argument making the case for shaw. i'd find it interesting to read.
really? i like to think im making logical points re: johnny. this guy is just listing off cliches and stating uneducated scuttlebutt as absolutes. i don't see the comparison. and you think i'm giving him a hard time but (imo) i'm challenging him to make an actual argument. johnny slept in one morning is not an argument. getting married is not an argument. stating johnny has proven immediate success at a high level before is an argument. saying johnny has a 97 QB rating on third down, *highest to ever enter the modern draft, is an argument. i'd love to read an argument making the case for shaw. i'd find it interesting to read.
To be honest; I think it's great to have them both. I liked what Connor Shaw did at South Carolina. Honestly he should've gone over Mettenberger and McCarron the only reason he didn't was he's 6 ft tall and he's not the highlight reel Johnny is. If they embrace each other as teammates Vince Young might be collecting another unemployment check.
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I like the guy. I've heard a fair amount about him during the season and im surprised that he didn't get drafted.
How nice it would be to have 3 guys who could actually win a game when called upon to start?
WSS
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I'll weigh-in with an unbiased opinion (seriously?).
Born and raised in SC, graduated from USC, been living in TX for a while (grad school, etc.) and I'm a long-time Browns fan (very long story).
We LOVE Shaw - no kidding, right? He's a team-first guy, never ever will have off-field issues, and he's a coach's son who's spent the last four years up Spurrier's ass as a film room junkie. Having JFF's every move make the news here in TX, I do not get the same impression, to say the least. Ah....but those aren't measurables, so you guys don't care.
So, let's talk measurables - starting with Shaw's superior numbers at the Combine. The same Combine where he had the sack to throw, unlike JFF. The win-loss record, td-int ratio, etc. all speaks for itself Oh, and here's a REAL big one. Shaw did it behind a very avg line - unlike JFF who did it with 1st Rd tackles protecting him. And let's not forget the jump balls JFF threw up to Mike Jones - those weren't exactly precision passes sometimes. I digress.
Furthermore, Shaw only really had one QB year in HS, he was a WR prior since his brother (who played at Georgia Tech) was the QB. Point is, though durability is definitely an issue, he's pretty athletic and can run (did I already mention he's faster than JFF?).
Now, all that said, does he improvise or make plays in the open field the way JFF does - definitely not. But, welcome to the NFL, young John Football, that isn't going to work here anyway.
Last point - I gathered my opinion from literally watching every game snap Shaw has taken and many, many of the same from Manziel. If you are basing your opinion off Mayock, Kiper, and McShay you're being terribly short-sighted.
May the best man win (which is Hoyer, in my opinion at this point). Go Browns!
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Longtime Browns fan here living in South Carolina. First-time post. I just wanted to let you all know that Manziel may not be the best QB the Browns picked up this month. Connor Shaw, who signed as an undrafted free agent, is a serious contender for the job. He's faster than Manziel and won about the same amount of games in the SEC. This past season Shaw notched a 162 passer rating and a 24-1 TD-INT ratio en route to leading South Carolina to an 11-2 record and No. 4 final AP ranking. The guy is tough as nails, an incredibly hard worker and a leader. Unlike Manziel, he's straight-laced and all business. In fact, he recently got engaged to his high school sweetheart. (The word down here is that Cleveland signed him partially to help keep Manziel out of trouble this summer.) However the QB situation shakes out, the competition just got a lot tougher for Johnny Football and Hoyer.
Longtime Browns fan here living in South Carolina. First-time post. I just wanted to let you all know that Manziel may not be the best QB the Browns picked up this month. Connor Shaw, who signed as an undrafted free agent, is a serious contender for the job. He's faster than Manziel and won about the same amount of games in the SEC. This past season Shaw notched a 162 passer rating and a 24-1 TD-INT ratio en route to leading South Carolina to an 11-2 record and No. 4 final AP ranking. The guy is tough as nails, an incredibly hard worker and a leader. Unlike Manziel, he's straight-laced and all business. In fact, he recently got engaged to his high school sweetheart. (The word down here is that Cleveland signed him partially to help keep Manziel out of trouble this summer.) However the QB situation shakes out, the competition just got a lot tougher for Johnny Football and Hoyer.
That is your Garnett and Black glasses talking. Though, I have no problem if this guy does well.
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Some Chic-fil-a somewhere down south just exploded.
Are you saying that the Chic-fil-A corporation doesn't condone the gay lifestyle? I don't know about that, but, the do make a good Chicken sandwich.
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Until yesterday, Conner Shaw was the toughest Quarterback, in the toughest (college) conference in the country, period.
Now, he is a Cleveland Brown.
Yes, he is tougher than Manziel. In game situations or otherwise. Besides the fact, that Shaw outperformed Manziel, and Teddy Twatwater in every catagory of the NFL combine.
No one over 5 years old, can deny that Shaw is a winner. He is as tough as they come, and proved it everytime he stepped on the field. He will do the same for the Cleveland Browns.
I do agree , Shaw does not have THE strongest arm, THE best mobility, is not THE biggest, and not THE smartest. However, Shaw has what Manziel does not, .... GUTS.
Shaw's arm is Strong enough, his Mobility is Good enough, he is Big enough, and he is Smart enough. Yes, SHAW the former Quarterback of (South Carolina) the #4 college team in the country IS tougher Manziel . He does not run around like a pansy. He will knock the shit out of whoever stands between him, and that extra yard, or endzone.
No wonder Manziel is looking over his shoulder, he better. Go Browns!
Until yesterday, Conner Shaw was the toughest Quarterback, in the toughest (college) conference in the country, period.
Now, he is a Cleveland Brown.
Yes, he is tougher than Manziel. In game situations or otherwise. Besides the fact, that Shaw outperformed Manziel, and Teddy Twatwater in every catagory of the NFL combine.
No one over 5 years old, can deny that Shaw is a winner. He is as tough as they come, and proved it everytime he stepped on the field. He will do the same for the Cleveland Browns.
I do agree , Shaw does not have THE strongest arm, THE best mobility, is not THE biggest, and not THE smartest. However, Shaw has what Manziel does not, .... GUTS.
Shaw's arm is Strong enough, his Mobility is Good enough, he is Big enough, and he is Smart enough. Yes, SHAW the former Quarterback of (South Carolina) the #4 college team in the country IS tougher Manziel . He does not run around like a pansy. He will knock the shit out of whoever stands between him, and that extra yard, or endzone.
No wonder Manziel is looking over his shoulder, he better. Go Browns!
OK, if he turns into the next Tom Brady and win 3 Super Bowls with the Browns, I am OK with all that.
But...I won't hold my breath for that to happen.
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Until yesterday, Conner Shaw was the toughest Quarterback, in the toughest (college) conference in the country, period.
Now, he is a Cleveland Brown.
Yes, he is tougher than Manziel. In game situations or otherwise. Besides the fact, that Shaw outperformed Manziel, and Teddy Twatwater in every catagory of the NFL combine.
No one over 5 years old, can deny that Shaw is a winner. He is as tough as they come, and proved it everytime he stepped on the field. He will do the same for the Cleveland Browns.
I do agree , Shaw does not have THE strongest arm, THE best mobility, is not THE biggest, and not THE smartest. However, Shaw has what Manziel does not, .... GUTS.
Shaw's arm is Strong enough, his Mobility is Good enough, he is Big enough, and he is Smart enough. Yes, SHAW the former Quarterback of (South Carolina) the #4 college team in the country IS tougher Manziel . He does not run around like a pansy. He will knock the shit out of whoever stands between him, and that extra yard, or endzone.
No wonder Manziel is looking over his shoulder, he better. Go Browns!
OK, if he turns into the next Tom Brady and win 3 Super Bowls with the Browns, I am OK with all that.
But...I won't hold my breath for that to happen.
OK, if he turns into the next Tom Brady and win 3 Super Bowls with the Browns, I am OK with all that.
But...I won't hold my breath for that to happen.
Since Cleveland has never made it to the Super Bowl, I'm willing to bet you guys will be swapping cum if anyone leads the Browns to the SB, let alone win one. Winning Three? lmao!
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OK, if he turns into the next Tom Brady and win 3 Super Bowls with the Browns, I am OK with all that.
But...I won't hold my breath for that to happen.
Since Cleveland has never made it to the Super Bowl, I'm willing to bet you guys will be swapping cum if anyone leads the Browns to the SB, let alone win one. Winning Three? lmao!
Since Cleveland has never made it to the Super Bowl, I'm willing to bet you guys will be swapping cum if anyone leads the Browns to the SB, let alone win one. Winning Three? lmao!
Lookie here! A toothless shittsburgh fan!
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I like Shaw as a udfa. If he was all that he wouldn't have been undrafted though.
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improvising and making plays does not work in the NFL?
Is this serious?
call Barry Sanders and tell him those side steps and spin moves that he improvised didn't work.
I get what you're trying to say, but what you're actually saying is dribble. You're saying it to take away from something that is legit against your boy and for Johnny. Johnny has amazing instincts. Yes, that gap will close as it did from high school to college, but that ability isn't going away. Improvisation works in the NFL. You have to improvise to succeed in the NFL. You have to have good instincts to succeed in the NFL.
That's called being a playmaker.
Essentially, you're holding a skill against Johnny. It's silly.
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"improvising"
Biggest DRAFT word in this year's draft.
Pure BS.....
As a QB, the only reason you need to "improvise" is because you don't understand the coverage and don't know where to go with the ball.
Only the dumb/average fan falls for it.
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So if the center falls on his ass, or a tackle misses his block you don't have to improvise?
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Of course being able to improvise is a good thing. Certainly would prefer to have it versus not. Problem is when its your primary attribute - sign of bigger weaknesses in your game.
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"improvising"
Biggest DRAFT word in this year's draft.
Pure BS.....
As a QB, the only reason you need to "improvise" is because you don't understand the coverage and don't know where to go with the ball.
Only the dumb/average fan falls for it.
"improvising"
Biggest DRAFT word in this year's draft.
Pure BS.....
As a QB, the only reason you need to "improvise" is because you don't understand the coverage and don't know where to go with the ball.
Only the dumb/average fan falls for it.
In madden perhaps but in real life, shit happens. Plays break down all of the time. Miscommunications happen, both along the line, between QB's and WR, a RB missing a blocking assignment etc, etc. Wasn't it Walsh who talked about how a QB needs improvisational skills to succeed in the NFL? But hey what does he know.
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Browser hates me, cant post a link any other way.
But I'
m not going to hold this against Johnny. Guy lead the nation in 3rd down conversion.
97.0 QB rating on 3rd down.
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