New Browns Fans Introduce Yourselves
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Hello all, this is my first post on this message board. As my username suggests, I'm an A&M grad that is the newest Browns fan after the Manziel pick. I grew up in Houston and the Oilers left town when I was around 10 years old, so I didn't follow the NFL much after that and got into A&M football. With Manziel heading to Cleveland, I now have an NFL team to follow. Really looking forward to it, and from what I can tell browsing some topics, this looks like a great forum.
I'm posting this topic because I'd like to talk about Manziel's passing ability, which is often overlooked and under-discussed. If someone didn't know who Johnny Manziel is, they'd watch ESPN (particularly that fake hair bumbling idiot Kiper) and assume Manziel is simply an athlete playing QB who can't throw, someone in the mold of Denard Robinson or Eric Crouch. But if you look at the stats, that couldn't be further from the truth. What's really remarkable about these stats is A&M had a top 10 strength of schedule each year in the most difficult conference in the country.
Here are Manziel's 2012 (RS freshman) passing stats, with the national rank in parentheses beside it.
Completion % - 68.0 (T-8th)
Yards - 3706 (T-15th)
Yards/att - 8.5 (T-12th)
TD - 26 (T-24)
INT - 9
TD/INT - 2.9
QB rating - 155.3 (15th)
His 2013 stats are even better.
Completion % - 69.9 (4th)
Yards - 4114 (8th)
Yards/att - 9.6 (4th)
TD - 34 (T-4)
INT - 13
TD/INT - 2.6
QB rating - 172.9 (3rd)
I've never seen or heard any of those numbers from any form of sports media. They all seem to feed off of each other and continue the mindless banter about how Manziel won't be able to run in the NFL, how he has a weak arm and can't make all the throws, etc. It's ridiclous. I'm not sure if any of y'all were able to watch his pro day workout, but it was incredibly impressive.
I understand why they focus on his running/scrambling ability. It's rare for a QB and he has created some incredible plays by doing just that. But to completely ignore the passing part of his game is an injustice to Johnny. I can see the casual fan not understanding how good of a passer he is, but for these experts, it's their job to mention that stuff.
I've watched every college snap from Manziel and he's one of the most talented football players I've ever seen. Fiercely competitive and hates to lose more than anything. I think y'all got a great one and I can't wait to see how he develops to prove the naysayers wrong.
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Welcome to South Marginal(ized) Road Johnny.
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Quoting a college QBs statistics is not necessarily that illustrative of that players ability to make is as a QB in the NFL.
I suggest that most of the most renowned QB busts in the past had outstanding college stats....Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell et al.
Now, to me JFFs biggest asset is his chutzpah. It has to be given his frame. His innate football intellect goes hand in hand with that.
I agree with you that good college stats do not always translate to NFL QB success. Virtually every QB ever drafted had good numbers in college. But that wasn't the point of my post. I was just trying to point out that Manziel's passing and stats are on par or better with the other QBs in the draft and are better than he gets credit for. For example, Manziel had superior passing stats in virtually every category compared to Bortles (completion %, yards, yds/att, TD/INT ratio, passer rating) but I doubt that was mentioned at all in any media outlet. All they focused on was "he can't run like that and take hits in the NFL" (which I agree with), but completely ignored his passing game.
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New SI Cover-I like the "Johnny (better) Be Good" reference.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/magazine/photos/1401/si-covers-2014/3/
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Johnny came in and saved us after the lost decade of Aggie Football. Now he will fulfill his destiny of reviving another storied franchise that has lost its way. Get ready to say things about your team you haven't in years, because Johnny will improve the entire team, not just the QB position.
If you haven't yet, go and watch the replay of the Chick Fil A bowl from this year, and watch Johnny put an entire team on his back and come back from a record deficit.
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I thought Ryan Tannehill did that. I mean, hell, he was an A&M Qb drafted a lot higher than JFF, no?
Tannehill was decent. Unfortunately, under Sherman all he ever did was throw a 12 yard hitch. Went 6-6 in his final year when we were preseason top 5, routinely gave up double digit leads in the 2nd half. He's a great kid and a good QB. He can't hold Johnny's jock.
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A shitty jackass off the field? Why? Because he drank when he was in college?
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A shitty jackass off the field? Why? Because he drank when he was in college?
A shitty jackass off the field? Why? Because he drank when he was in college?
Yeah. Exactly.
He drank and slept in through meetings. Just like any college kid would do.
College kids are shitty jackasses. All of them. Especially the athletes. I'm one and I don't deny it.
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Ok I can agree with that. He's no shittier than any other male college jackass would have been in his situation.
At least he's not getting BJs from 14 year olds like the Bengals draft pick out of LSU.
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Ok I can agree with that. He's no shittier than any other male college jackass would have been in his situation.
At least he's not getting BJs from 14 year olds like the Bengals draft pick out of LSU.
Ok I can agree with that. He's no shittier than any other male college jackass would have been in his situation.
At least he's not getting BJs from 14 year olds like the Bengals draft pick out of LSU.
Exactly.
Coupled with the fact that he's a privileged rich boy and he's the top of his sport.
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Thanks for the twitter handles.
Xvideo.com should keep me busy for a while also.
And if we are gonna talk about cheerleaders can we at least post some freaking pictures?
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Thanks for the twitter handles.
Xvideo.com should keep me busy for a while also.
And if we are gonna talk about cheerleaders can we at least post some freaking pictures?
Thanks for the twitter handles.
Xvideo.com should keep me busy for a while also.
And if we are gonna talk about cheerleaders can we at least post some freaking pictures?
Scroll page a few pages, it got buried by the draft but there's a thread that'll keep you occupied for a while.
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I spoke last night to a former starting CB on a Superbowl champion and outside of the great pick of the CB first by the Browns (he's biased of course), I wanted to know what he thought about JFF's chances of making it big time with the Browns. He answered it with a story of a play he had against the QB he thinks most compares to JFF, Fran Tarkenton, because of the similar size and obvious scrambling abilities. He said on this particular play he was dogging the WR until he saw Fran disappear into a crowd of defenders. He slacked off just for a split second when all of a sudden Fran pops out of the pile and throws a perfect pass on the run to the WR who by then had left him behind. His thought as the ball went over his head for a TD was, "How'd he do that?" His next thought was how humiliated he felt when the coaches proceeded to burn his ears on the sidelines when he came off the field. His opinion is that JFF will do just fine because of his ability to extend plays, find receivers and throw accurately while running in any direction. I've known this guy for a long time and have all respect for his NFL acumen. Take it for what it's worth.
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A word of warning to all new Johhny/Browns fans. Any positive comments or posts with the names Mike Holmgren, Pat Shurmur, Mike Lombardi, Joe Banner, Pissburg Stillers, or Lebron James (although I'm over that douchebag) will get you fucking torched on this board in a manner you never thought possible.
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A word of warning to all new Johhny/Browns fans. Any positive comments or posts with the names Mike Holmgren, Pat Shurmur, Mike Lombardi, Joe Banner, Pissburg Stillers, or Lebron James (although I'm over that douchebag) will get you fucking torched on this board in a manner you never thought possible.
A word of warning to all new Johhny/Browns fans. Any positive comments or posts with the names Mike Holmgren, Pat Shurmur, Mike Lombardi, Joe Banner, Pissburg Stillers, or Lebron James (although I'm over that douchebag) will get you fucking torched on this board in a manner you never thought possible.
add brady quinn, derek anderson, braylon edwards, colt mccoy and ghoolie to that list..............
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I spoke last night to a former starting CB on a Superbowl champion and outside of the great pick of the CB first by the Browns (he's biased of course), I wanted to know what he thought about JFF's chances of making it big time with the Browns. He answered it with a story of a play he had against the QB he thinks most compares to JFF, Fran Tarkenton, because of the similar size and obvious scrambling abilities. He said on this particular play he was dogging the WR until he saw Fran disappear into a crowd of defenders. He slacked off just for a split second when all of a sudden Fran pops out of the pile and throws a perfect pass on the run to the WR who by then had left him behind. His thought as the ball went over his head for a TD was, "How'd he do that?" His next thought was how humiliated he felt when the coaches proceeded to burn his ears on the sidelines when he came off the field. His opinion is that JFF will do just fine because of his ability to extend plays, find receivers and throw accurately while running in any direction. I've known this guy for a long time and have all respect for his NFL acumen. Take it for what it's worth.
I spoke last night to a former starting CB on a Superbowl champion and outside of the great pick of the CB first by the Browns (he's biased of course), I wanted to know what he thought about JFF's chances of making it big time with the Browns. He answered it with a story of a play he had against the QB he thinks most compares to JFF, Fran Tarkenton, because of the similar size and obvious scrambling abilities. He said on this particular play he was dogging the WR until he saw Fran disappear into a crowd of defenders. He slacked off just for a split second when all of a sudden Fran pops out of the pile and throws a perfect pass on the run to the WR who by then had left him behind. His thought as the ball went over his head for a TD was, "How'd he do that?" His next thought was how humiliated he felt when the coaches proceeded to burn his ears on the sidelines when he came off the field. His opinion is that JFF will do just fine because of his ability to extend plays, find receivers and throw accurately while running in any direction. I've known this guy for a long time and have all respect for his NFL acumen. Take it for what it's worth.
did he tell you what the coaches told him if he ever saw tarkenton do that to him again?
probably something to the tune of "break his fucking neck!"
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In fact he did tell me what they told him miktoxic-never, ever leave your man again until you hear the whistle blow. And other choice words to explain how Tarkenton does that to any DB without sense enough to know he does it all the time.
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Comfort food for some who can't believe the Browns could be so stupid to misuse yet another #22 overall in the draft: LOL
http://www.sbnation.com/2014/5/14/5717140/dan-on-fire-browns-must-cut-johnny-manziel-immediately
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Comfort food for some who can't believe the Browns could be so stupid to misuse yet another #22 overall in the draft: LOL
http://www.sbnation.com/2014/5/14/5717140/dan-on-fire-browns-must-cut-johnny-manziel-immediately
Comfort food for some who can't believe the Browns could be so stupid to misuse yet another #22 overall in the draft: LOL
http://www.sbnation.com/2014/5/14/5717140/dan-on-fire-browns-must-cut-johnny-manziel-immediately
Man what was that idiotic garbage? It's the same spew those blowhards loudmouthed idiots on ESPN are rabbling with their not so subtle shots at Cleveland.
The Browns have a plan to groom Manziel accordingly and not throw him to the wolves in the first three games, if he wins the job fair and square so be it and get it done.
But don't let the media get you pumped up with their ridiculous campaign that Manziel is entitled to anything, if he earns it he'll get it.
They're doing it smart I trust Farmer & Pettine.
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