Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Good old Brian Sipe here says it the best. He says that the NFL from College is just the next step. It's no harder than coming from High School to College. You just have to go in and learn and earn your place. Some guys can jump right in and others take a little more time, some never get it. You just never know until it's time. Maybe the Browns got lucky this time and Manziel is one of the special ones that can step right in and prove that it's not to big for him.
I'm rooting for that to be the case, I don't think that anyone would be opposed to that. The people that want Manziel to sit behind Hoyer aren't saying it to piss off the guys who support Manziel to be the starter, they just don't want him to get killed or ruined mentally before he is ready. A lot of the people who are saying to pull back the reigns are the fans that have been here and seen how many QBs get killed, thrown to the wolves, ruined both mentally and physically, are never the same again...
I think you would be hard pressed to find any Browns Fan that wouldn't want Manziel to step right in and start the new era if he is ready. Hoyer is just a stop gap until Manziel is ready to go.. Maybe it's sooner rather than later but to keep beating each other up about it is pretty dumb. We're all on the same team, we all want to win.
There are 4 QBs on the roster right now. The coaches will identify who is the most capable to lead the team and give us the best chance to win. Right now I believe in their judgment of the situation, if it's Manziel I don't think they would just play Hoyer for the sake of letting him sit.
I'm excited to see the competition and believe it will be more legit than when Weedone beat out McCoy. Weeden was forced into the starting role because he was close to 30 at the time of his rookie year. That is not the case with Manziel, he's young and very talented, no doubt. I originally wanted Carr as I thought he was the best. I'm all in on JM now that he is a Brown and would like more than anybody to get right to it and not waste a season going with Hoyer just for the sake of it. That's dumb... If Manziel is ready, if he is the best QB on the roster, if the NFL is not too big for him, if he's one of the rare ones that can step right in and be successful- I'm all for it. BUT, that has yet to be determined.
The thing that I'm excited about it that I think we've found a guy that we can stick to for a long time. One that the fans and the city can love and support through the good times and the bad. That is the part I'm most excited about, consistency and building upon the foundation and seeing this budding franchise come to fruition... it's been a long time coming.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Good old Brian Sipe here says it the best. He says that the NFL from College is just the next step. It's no harder than coming from High School to College. You just have to go in and learn and earn your place. Some guys can jump right in and others take a little more time, some never get it. You just never know until it's time. Maybe the Browns got lucky this time and Manziel is one of the special ones that can step right in and prove that it's not to big for him.
I'm rooting for that to be the case, I don't think that anyone would be opposed to that. The people that want Manziel to sit behind Hoyer aren't saying it to piss off the guys who support Manziel to be the starter, they just don't want him to get killed or ruined mentally before he is ready. A lot of the people who are saying to pull back the reigns are the fans that have been here and seen how many QBs get killed, thrown to the wolves, ruined both mentally and physically, are never the same again...
I think you would be hard pressed to find any Browns Fan that wouldn't want Manziel to step right in and start the new era if he is ready. Hoyer is just a stop gap until Manziel is ready to go.. Maybe it's sooner rather than later but to keep beating each other up about it is pretty dumb. We're all on the same team, we all want to win.
There are 4 QBs on the roster right now. The coaches will identify who is the most capable to lead the team and give us the best chance to win. Right now I believe in their judgment of the situation, if it's Manziel I don't think they would just play Hoyer for the sake of letting him sit.
I'm excited to see the competition and believe it will be more legit than when Weedone beat out McCoy. Weeden was forced into the starting role because he was close to 30 at the time of his rookie year. That is not the case with Manziel, he's young and very talented, no doubt. I originally wanted Carr as I thought he was the best. I'm all in on JM now that he is a Brown and would like more than anybody to get right to it and not waste a season going with Hoyer just for the sake of it. That's dumb... If Manziel is ready, if he is the best QB on the roster, if the NFL is not too big for him, if he's one of the rare ones that can step right in and be successful- I'm all for it. BUT, that has yet to be determined.
The thing that I'm excited about it that I think we've found a guy that we can stick to for a long time. One that the fans and the city can love and support through the good times and the bad. That is the part I'm most excited about, consistency and building upon the foundation and seeing this budding franchise come to fruition... it's been a long time coming.
Good old Brian Sipe here says it the best. He says that the NFL from College is just the next step. It's no harder than coming from High School to College. You just have to go in and learn and earn your place. Some guys can jump right in and others take a little more time, some never get it. You just never know until it's time. Maybe the Browns got lucky this time and Manziel is one of the special ones that can step right in and prove that it's not to big for him.
I'm rooting for that to be the case, I don't think that anyone would be opposed to that. The people that want Manziel to sit behind Hoyer aren't saying it to piss off the guys who support Manziel to be the starter, they just don't want him to get killed or ruined mentally before he is ready. A lot of the people who are saying to pull back the reigns are the fans that have been here and seen how many QBs get killed, thrown to the wolves, ruined both mentally and physically, are never the same again...
I think you would be hard pressed to find any Browns Fan that wouldn't want Manziel to step right in and start the new era if he is ready. Hoyer is just a stop gap until Manziel is ready to go.. Maybe it's sooner rather than later but to keep beating each other up about it is pretty dumb. We're all on the same team, we all want to win.
There are 4 QBs on the roster right now. The coaches will identify who is the most capable to lead the team and give us the best chance to win. Right now I believe in their judgment of the situation, if it's Manziel I don't think they would just play Hoyer for the sake of letting him sit.
I'm excited to see the competition and believe it will be more legit than when Weedone beat out McCoy. Weeden was forced into the starting role because he was close to 30 at the time of his rookie year. That is not the case with Manziel, he's young and very talented, no doubt. I originally wanted Carr as I thought he was the best. I'm all in on JM now that he is a Brown and would like more than anybody to get right to it and not waste a season going with Hoyer just for the sake of it. That's dumb... If Manziel is ready, if he is the best QB on the roster, if the NFL is not too big for him, if he's one of the rare ones that can step right in and be successful- I'm all for it. BUT, that has yet to be determined.
The thing that I'm excited about it that I think we've found a guy that we can stick to for a long time. One that the fans and the city can love and support through the good times and the bad. That is the part I'm most excited about, consistency and building upon the foundation and seeing this budding franchise come to fruition... it's been a long time coming.
PG, this may have been your best post ever, I applaud you. (((())))
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New here. Lifelong Browns fan. I joined this board just to say how much I hate the Manziel pick. Circus clown. This dude has Ryan Leaf written all over him. Little man is gonna get crushed against a disciplined, pro defense.
All the Johnny Football cocksuckers can suck it. Makes me wanna puke that all the cocksucking will be going on in Cleveland.
New here. Lifelong TEXAS LONGHORN. I joined this board just to say how much I hate the Manziel pick. Circus clown. This dude has Ryan Leaf written all over him. Little man is gonna get crushed against a disciplined, pro defense.
All the Johnny Football cocksuckers can suck it. Makes me wanna puke that all the cocksucking will be going on in Cleveland.
There. Makes perfect sense now. What a piece of sh!t.
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Despite all the immature BS on this site the last week+, I have some real thoughts on Manziel...
I was not high on drafting him... I said I wouldn't take him before the 3rd round, but now that he's a Brown I'm 100% behind him
For those of you that are skeptics (like me), watch some of the games on YouTube, or even just the highlights... What I missed, before the draft, was Manziel's overall athletic ability. It is truly impressive. I was focused on his "jumpiness" in the pocket and his "quick to leave the pocket" tendencies. Now that I am a fan, I watch the film differently and am beginning to be able to see his athletic play working in the NFL. Even more, I see a smart QB. He seems to know when his legs can get the first down or TD, but he also knows when his arm can get it done.
I am a fan of the "conventional" QB, which is why I was high on Bortles and Carr, and not-so-much on Manziel, but I have to admit it is exciting to see a guy with his athleticism joining our team... I hope everything works out.
After re-watching ALL the games the past 2 years when he was at A&M, there is no doubt in my mind he beats out Hoyer and starts for this team Day 1. He has 100% more playmaking abilities and can be the offensive spark we need... I hope I"m not seeing it with "Manziel-tinted" glasses now that he's on our team, and I hope ALL my pre-draft analysis was "narrow-minded," "incomplete," and just overall WRONG... wouldn't be the first time...
Go Browns!!
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For those of you that are skeptics (like me), watch some of the games on YouTube, or even just the highlights... What I missed, before the draft, was Manziel's overall athletic ability. It is truly impressive.
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I am a fan of the "conventional" QB, which is why I was high on Bortles and Carr, and not-so-much on Manziel, but I have to admit it is exciting to see a guy with his athleticism joining our team... I hope everything works out.
After re-watching ALL the games the past 2 years when he was at A&M, there is no doubt in my mind he beats out Hoyer and starts for this team Day 1. He has 100% more playmaking abilities and can be the offensive spark we need... I hope I"m not seeing it with "Manziel-tinted" glasses now that he's on our team, and I hope ALL my pre-draft analysis was "narrow-minded," "incomplete," and just overall WRONG... wouldn't be the first time...
Go Browns!!
Exhibit A:
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Almost forgot. Here's the rest of the story on that play.
Exhibit A.1:
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If he can do that in the Pro's I'll be ecstatic.
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Haslam ordered the team to take Manziel, but why? Manziel did you a favor by WANTING to be in Cleveland, but the owner comes out and viciously attacks Manziel's character? When has Johnny ever not been a hard worker? Why is Johnny "hollywood," because the media made him that way? The ONLY way Manziel can succeed is if you are 100% behind him. There should be ZERO question about whether he'll start or not. HE chose YOU. Cleveland as a team and city have been IRRELEVANT and stars do NOT want to play here. LBJ left you. Manziel CHOSE YOU.
GET BEHIND HIM, CLEVELAND.
Haslam ordered the team to take Manziel, but why? Manziel did you a favor by WANTING to be in Cleveland, but the owner comes out and viciously attacks Manziel's character? When has Johnny ever not been a hard worker? Why is Johnny "hollywood," because the media made him that way? The ONLY way Manziel can succeed is if you are 100% behind him. There should be ZERO question about whether he'll start or not. HE chose YOU. Cleveland as a team and city have been IRRELEVANT and stars do NOT want to play here. LBJ left you. Manziel CHOSE YOU.
GET BEHIND HIM, CLEVELAND.
You are one obtuse fuck. Do you really believe that Manziel chose the browns?! Manziel chose any team that would draft him in the first round. Who knows how many teams he texted, and he would've supported any team with open arms.
Don't get me wrong, he definitely has the right attitude but this Disney channel "he chose us!!" Horseshit is ridiculous
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Hoorta, your explanation that the public statements were for the fans makes a lot of sense. I totally agree (and think JM probably does as well) that the last thing they should do is put him on the field when he is not ready. Seeing ESPN showing every move of Bortles and Sams this morning reinforces management's decision to limit access to rookie mini-camp.
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I am sorry if I came off as offensive. I just don't want to see the same thing happen to Manziel as has happened to Tebow, Jimmer, etc. You can't prove yourself without a real opportunity. A coach and a team have to be 100% on board.
Every true Browns fan here wants Manziel to succeed. His success is the Browns success. What some Browns fans are reacting to here are the notion that Manziel is now somehow more important than the team.I am sorry if I came off as offensive. I just don't want to see the same thing happen to Manziel as has happened to Tebow, Jimmer, etc. You can't prove yourself without a real opportunity. A coach and a team have to be 100% on board.
What Haslam and Pettine did by telling him this isn't Hollywood and that he's the backup is brilliant. You know he's already going to play with a chip on his shoulder, well they just made that chip a whole lot bigger. That's the part of Manziel they want. Hollywood Manziel is fine to an extent but he needed to realize it's all business when he's in Berea.
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Haslam ordered the team to take Manziel, but why? Manziel did you a favor by WANTING to be in Cleveland, but the owner comes out and viciously attacks Manziel's character? When has Johnny ever not been a hard worker? Why is Johnny "hollywood," because the media made him that way? The ONLY way Manziel can succeed is if you are 100% behind him. There should be ZERO question about whether he'll start or not. HE chose YOU. Cleveland as a team and city have been IRRELEVANT and stars do NOT want to play here. LBJ left you. Manziel CHOSE YOU.
GET BEHIND HIM, CLEVELAND.
Haslam ordered the team to take Manziel, but why? Manziel did you a favor by WANTING to be in Cleveland, but the owner comes out and viciously attacks Manziel's character? When has Johnny ever not been a hard worker? Why is Johnny "hollywood," because the media made him that way? The ONLY way Manziel can succeed is if you are 100% behind him. There should be ZERO question about whether he'll start or not. HE chose YOU. Cleveland as a team and city have been IRRELEVANT and stars do NOT want to play here. LBJ left you. Manziel CHOSE YOU.
GET BEHIND HIM, CLEVELAND.
and if we don't get behind him, what? are you and your fag boys gonna come in in the middle of the night dressed as ninjas and kidnap johnny and free him upon this good nation of fag boy football lovers?
hey he's ours now bitches, and we'll treat him like we want to and do what we want to with him. so if you don't like it, HIT THE MFing BRICKS!!
i'm off to work now. it's my turn to whip JF (OR IS IT PUT HIM ON THE RACK TODAY?) in the dungeons below berea. gotta beef up that kid one way or another. hmmmmm. beef.
BWAHAHA!!!!!
come for him! i dare ya! pussy bitches!
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If he can do that in the Pro's I'll be ecstatic.
If he can do that in the Pro's I'll be ecstatic.
He has done this kind of thing consistently against NFL-bound talent for 2 years. Incidentally, last year, the SEC represented 25% of total draft picks taken at 63. This year, it was around 20% at 49. The SEC West, A&M's division, represents the majority of those picks.
Trust me. You're gonna love him. Nobody in Cleveland fully understands what you have yet.
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Haslam ordered the team to take Manziel, but why? Manziel did you a favor by WANTING to be in Cleveland, but the owner comes out and viciously attacks Manziel's character? When has Johnny ever not been a hard worker? Why is Johnny "hollywood," because the media made him that way? The ONLY way Manziel can succeed is if you are 100% behind him. There should be ZERO question about whether he'll start or not. HE chose YOU. Cleveland as a team and city have been IRRELEVANT and stars do NOT want to play here. LBJ left you. Manziel CHOSE YOU.
GET BEHIND HIM, CLEVELAND.
and if we don't get behind him, what? are you and your fag boys gonna come in in the middle of the night dressed as ninjas and kidnap johnny and free him upon this good nation of fag boy football lovers?
hey he's ours now bitches, and we'll treat him like we want to and do what we want to with him. so if you don't like it, HIT THE MFing BRICKS!!
i'm off to work now. it's my turn to whip JF (OR IS IT PUT HIM ON THE RACK TODAY?) in the dungeons below berea. gotta beef up that kid one way or another. hmmmmm. beef.
BWAHAHA!!!!!
come for him! i dare ya! pussy bitches!
and if we don't get behind him, what? are you and your fag boys gonna come in in the middle of the night dressed as ninjas and kidnap johnny and free him upon this good nation of fag boy football lovers?
hey he's ours now bitches, and we'll treat him like we want to and do what we want to with him. so if you don't like it, HIT THE MFing BRICKS!!
i'm off to work now. it's my turn to whip JF (OR IS IT PUT HIM ON THE RACK TODAY?) in the dungeons below berea. gotta beef up that kid one way or another. hmmmmm. beef.
BWAHAHA!!!!!
come for him! i dare ya! pussy bitches!
LOL miktoxic. I'm actually beginning to enjoy your rants against us JFF fans. Besides, I gave up killing people for a living a long time ago.
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Good old Brian Sipe here says it the best. He says that the NFL from College is just the next step. It's no harder than coming from High School to College. You just have to go in and learn and earn your place. Some guys can jump right in and others take a little more time, some never get it. You just never know until it's time. Maybe the Browns got lucky this time and Manziel is one of the special ones that can step right in and prove that it's not to big for him.
I'm rooting for that to be the case, I don't think that anyone would be opposed to that. The people that want Manziel to sit behind Hoyer aren't saying it to piss off the guys who support Manziel to be the starter, they just don't want him to get killed or ruined mentally before he is ready. A lot of the people who are saying to pull back the reigns are the fans that have been here and seen how many QBs get killed, thrown to the wolves, ruined both mentally and physically, are never the same again...
I think you would be hard pressed to find any Browns Fan that wouldn't want Manziel to step right in and start the new era if he is ready. Hoyer is just a stop gap until Manziel is ready to go.. Maybe it's sooner rather than later but to keep beating each other up about it is pretty dumb. We're all on the same team, we all want to win.
There are 4 QBs on the roster right now. The coaches will identify who is the most capable to lead the team and give us the best chance to win. Right now I believe in their judgment of the situation, if it's Manziel I don't think they would just play Hoyer for the sake of letting him sit.
I'm excited to see the competition and believe it will be more legit than when Weedone beat out McCoy. Weeden was forced into the starting role because he was close to 30 at the time of his rookie year. That is not the case with Manziel, he's young and very talented, no doubt. I originally wanted Carr as I thought he was the best. I'm all in on JM now that he is a Brown and would like more than anybody to get right to it and not waste a season going with Hoyer just for the sake of it. That's dumb... If Manziel is ready, if he is the best QB on the roster, if the NFL is not too big for him, if he's one of the rare ones that can step right in and be successful- I'm all for it. BUT, that has yet to be determined.
The thing that I'm excited about it that I think we've found a guy that we can stick to for a long time. One that the fans and the city can love and support through the good times and the bad. That is the part I'm most excited about, consistency and building upon the foundation and seeing this budding franchise come to fruition... it's been a long time coming.
Good old Brian Sipe here says it the best. He says that the NFL from College is just the next step. It's no harder than coming from High School to College. You just have to go in and learn and earn your place. Some guys can jump right in and others take a little more time, some never get it. You just never know until it's time. Maybe the Browns got lucky this time and Manziel is one of the special ones that can step right in and prove that it's not to big for him.
I'm rooting for that to be the case, I don't think that anyone would be opposed to that. The people that want Manziel to sit behind Hoyer aren't saying it to piss off the guys who support Manziel to be the starter, they just don't want him to get killed or ruined mentally before he is ready. A lot of the people who are saying to pull back the reigns are the fans that have been here and seen how many QBs get killed, thrown to the wolves, ruined both mentally and physically, are never the same again...
I think you would be hard pressed to find any Browns Fan that wouldn't want Manziel to step right in and start the new era if he is ready. Hoyer is just a stop gap until Manziel is ready to go.. Maybe it's sooner rather than later but to keep beating each other up about it is pretty dumb. We're all on the same team, we all want to win.
There are 4 QBs on the roster right now. The coaches will identify who is the most capable to lead the team and give us the best chance to win. Right now I believe in their judgment of the situation, if it's Manziel I don't think they would just play Hoyer for the sake of letting him sit.
I'm excited to see the competition and believe it will be more legit than when Weedone beat out McCoy. Weeden was forced into the starting role because he was close to 30 at the time of his rookie year. That is not the case with Manziel, he's young and very talented, no doubt. I originally wanted Carr as I thought he was the best. I'm all in on JM now that he is a Brown and would like more than anybody to get right to it and not waste a season going with Hoyer just for the sake of it. That's dumb... If Manziel is ready, if he is the best QB on the roster, if the NFL is not too big for him, if he's one of the rare ones that can step right in and be successful- I'm all for it. BUT, that has yet to be determined.
The thing that I'm excited about it that I think we've found a guy that we can stick to for a long time. One that the fans and the city can love and support through the good times and the bad. That is the part I'm most excited about, consistency and building upon the foundation and seeing this budding franchise come to fruition... it's been a long time coming.
Damn PoG, after reading this I scrolled back up to see who wrote it and was kinda shocked. Your usually pretty over the top with things but I give you mad props with this one! You hit the nail dead on the head and I don't think you coulda broke it any better man......kudos!
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my saturday morning wake-up rant right before i head to the bloodies.
that felt good. lol.
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Hoorta, your explanation that the public statements were for the fans makes a lot of sense. I totally agree (and think JM probably does as well) that the last thing they should do is put him on the field when he is not ready. Seeing ESPN showing every move of Bortles and Sams this morning reinforces management's decision to limit access to rookie mini-camp.
Hoorta, your explanation that the public statements were for the fans makes a lot of sense. I totally agree (and think JM probably does as well) that the last thing they should do is put him on the field when he is not ready. Seeing ESPN showing every move of Bortles and Sams this morning reinforces management's decision to limit access to rookie mini-camp.
IMO it was said to curb the expectations of the fans who want JF to start day one. Pettine was on record before the draft saying he would rather not start a rookie QB. I also believe they have a lot of confidence in Hoyer also.
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my saturday morning wake-up rant right before i head to the bloodies.
that felt good. lol.
my saturday morning wake-up rant right before i head to the bloodies.
that felt good. lol.
LOL! When I come for a game some time you can take me out for a beer. Never been to Cleveland and the first person I ever met from Ohio was a girlfriend who jilted me in 11th grade.
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And you're unrealistically optimistic about a QB a ton of teams avoided and had question marks on.
Buddy show me a player in this draft that didn't have any question marks. We won't know how good JM is until he plays but being optimistic/hopeful isn't hurting anyone.
Buddy show me a player in this draft that didn't have any question marks. We won't know how good JM is until he plays but being optimistic/hopeful isn't hurting anyone.
Exactly.... every player in the draft has some question marks. Manziel is an unconventional quarterback, but he is unquestionably a phenomenal talent. The only question now is how his talent translates to the NFL.
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Man the media has sure won this battle. They just spin everything to make us look like assholes. Haslam says this shit to just let Johnny know that he is not bigger then the Browns. Honestly who realy gives a rats ass who said to draft him or what they say about him needing to earn the starting spot. If the Browns start him right away and he fails then the Media will say they should have let him sit and learn. It lose lose for us.
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I am sorry if I came off as offensive. I just don't want to see the same thing happen to Manziel as has happened to Tebow, Jimmer, etc. You can't prove yourself without a real opportunity. A coach and a team have to be 100% on board.
You can't prove yourself without a real opportunity. A coach and a team have to be 100% on board.
And that's where you have it backwards... It's after you prove yourself that hopefully everyone is "100% on board (sic)". All that is owed JM at this point is the opportunity to prove himself... and that he'll have.
PG, this may have been your best post ever, I applaud you. (((())))
Seconded...
LOL miktoxic. I'm actually beginning to enjoy your rants against us JFF fans.
As do most of us for the most part on any number of topics...
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I think Manziel can make a major impact on the Browns. But, as of now the receiving corp is pretty weak. (Austin will help)
Curious to see how Shanahan uses Johnny. He did a decent job with RG-ME in washington.
Curious to see how Shanahan uses Johnny. He did a decent job with RG-ME in washington.
Yup... Right up until the knee injury. I hope the read option is seldom, if ever, used.
@walterwhite said:
I'm being totally realistic and refusing to apologize for optimism, sorry I'm not the thought police.
But see Walter... you are playing the role of the "thought police" everytime you blast a JM skeptic.
TyperWoods said:
You are correct that he very seldom throws the ball away. He will need to improve on that, IMO. Also, he is prone to predetermining what receiver he's going to.
Yes... there is that, but same can be said of most Rookie QBs.
This guy makes a good argument that they are...
Johnny Manziel, System QBs, and The Ghost of Case Keenum
http://sportswunderkind.com/johnny-manziel-system-qbs-and-the-ghost-of-case-keenum/
Interesting angle I'd not seen previously.,... thank you.
Liked the first comment exchange where it's proposed that Keenum may be better than it is generally thought... a lot better.
Found this little behind the scenes on Pick #22 article. Very interesting how many actually wanted him at that spot.
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/05/13/nfl-draft-johnny-manziel-teddy-bridgewater/
How many? Led me to expect more than two... us and MN.
The revelation to me was that KC was willing to trade out of the 23rd pick. The storyline had been that they were the team poised to catch the falling JM.
Then again it was a Peter King article...
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