New Browns Fans Introduce Yourselves
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@everlastingxxx said:
BTW, as a new fan (enthusiast, whatever) i am rewatching the 2013 Browns season (4th game so far).
Tell you what, that Cameron is a real weapon. Yup, but he starts to fade as the season progresses
Gordon is smooth. He gets better, believe it or not
Weeden had the deer in the headlights look. Yup
Hoyer was an upgrade over him. He has some potential but is a little inconsistent. Yup
Running game sucks. Yup
Brown defense is solid. Keeping them in games. Yup
Haden is a shut down corner (duh). Yup
Mingo is impressive. Yup, but he fades as the season goes on
Congratulations, you've essentially summed up the entire last season. It gets much more painful to watch after game 5.
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@everlastingxxx said:
I did look it up and i still dont know what the hell you are talking about. I have never met a Browns fan in person in my 38 years of living.
I cannot help it if you have had your head stuck in a gopher hole most of your life:
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/fans-and-kids/backers-faq.html
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@everlastingxxx said:
Well why i was asking about the word organized. Browns have the most clubs. My original point was about dealing with popularity which clearly the Cowboys are #1. A number of polls prove that point while Browns are down in the 20s. Regardless, at the end of the day i would trade a Super Bowl trophy over popularity.
Polls:
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2013/10/16/Research-and-Ratings/Harris-Poll.aspx
It's not our fault the Cowboys fans are too stupid to get organized.
We've got over 200+ members in the Browns backers fan club here in Naples, FL, all have joined within the past three years.
If you've never met a Browns fan then you've probably never left Texas, in which case I feel sorry for you, because that's an awful fucking place.
Zombo
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@everlastingxxx said:
Ouch! I still have a long ways to go lol
That's what happens when you lose 10 of the last 11 games.
But really, a vast majority of the games were at least entertaining to watch until the 4th quarter. There were a lot of close games and little glimmers of hope, which also means there were a lot of devasting woulda/shoulda/couldas.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Well why i was asking about the word organized. Browns have the most clubs. My original point was about dealing with popularity which clearly the Cowboys are #1. A number of polls prove that point while Browns are down in the 20s. Regardless, at the end of the day i would trade a Super Bowl trophy over popularity.
Polls:
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2013/10/16/Research-and-Ratings/Harris-Poll.aspx
Well, a Super Bowl hasn't been seen in Dallas in a generation. Sure, better than 2 generations like us, but Cleveland has the equivalent of Thirteen Super Bowls trophies (which signifies nothing but the fact that a particular team has won a league title). And that is more than any other metropolitan area....except Green Bay, which just caught up like 3 years ago. Cleveland held that title alone for about 60-70 years. Time to reclaim it.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Well why i was asking about the word organized. Browns have the most clubs. My original point was about dealing with popularity which clearly the Cowboys are #1. A number of polls prove that point while Browns are down in the 20s. Regardless, at the end of the day i would trade a Super Bowl trophy over popularity.
Polls:
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2013/10/16/Research-and-Ratings/Harris-Poll.aspx
It's not our fault the Cowboys fans are too stupid to get organized.
We've got over 200+ members in the Browns backers fan club here in Naples, FL, all have joined within the past three years.
If you've never met a Browns fan then you've probably never left Texas, in which case I feel sorry for you, because that's an awful fucking place.
Zombo
Zombo said:
It's not our fault the Cowboys fans are too stupid to get organized.
We've got over 200+ members in the Browns backers fan club here in Naples, FL, all have joined within the past three years.
If you've never met a Browns fan then you've probably never left Texas, in which case I feel sorry for you, because that's an awful fucking place.
Zombo
If the Browns would make the playoffs like a couple of years in a row, they would probably jump into the Top Five. I remember, not that long ago, seeing away games in places like Tampa, Jax, Ariz., San Diego where it seemed half those stadiums were filled with Browns fans.
Trust me, it is a sleeping Giant of a fan base.
I have seen some polls recently that want to rank the dedication of a fan base. And gee, guess which teams fans get ranked high? Yea, the likes of New England, Giants, Steelers and others....teams that have won like multiple Super Bowls the last decade or so.
Someone is ignorant when doing these rankings.
A fan base's dedication to its team is NOT tested when the team has been doing well, but when a team has been doing crappy.
The real dedicated fan bases are in places like Cleveland, Buffalo, Kansas City and the like. Losing like the Browns/Bills/Chiefs have done in places like New England and Pittsburgh would have those fan bases jumping off bridges and their stadiums look like ghost towns.. The Giants...because it has the largest population base of any team will always do well.
The Redskins are pretty ardent. And the Cowboys seem to be OK.
With just two winning seasons in the last 14 the Browns have still sold out all their games. I bet not even the Cowboys would do that.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Nothing wrong with you being proud of that and i dont have anything against it. When i say i havent met a Browns fan before i am not trying to be offensive. Just being honest. I have come across a number of different fans. Eagles, Packers, Steelers, Saints, Niners, Redskins, ect but never a Browns fan. Although driving around i saw a Browns decal on the back of a truck...he might be a Manziel fan tho. I tried to take a photo.
I have met only perhaps 5 actual Cowboy fans in my life. And I bet I meet a lot more people than you do.
One of them, unfortunately happens to now be my own daughter. But she likes them because A. she now goes to school in Texas and B. she primarily likes the cheerleaders.
As I have noted before elsewhere, she likes the cheerleaders for the cheerleading and not for the T&A show that we like them for.
She is herself, now a cheerleader in Texas.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Nothing wrong with you being proud of that and i dont have anything against it. When i say i havent met a Browns fan before i am not trying to be offensive. Just being honest. I have come across a number of different fans. Eagles, Packers, Steelers, Saints, Niners, Redskins, ect but never a Browns fan. Although driving around i saw a Browns decal on the back of a truck...he might be a Manziel fan tho. I tried to take a photo.
I have met only perhaps 5 actual Cowboy fans in my life. And I bet I meet a lot more people than you do.
One of them, unfortunately happens to now be my own daughter. But she likes them because A. she now goes to school in Texas and B. she primarily likes the cheerleaders.
As I have noted before elsewhere, she likes the cheerleaders for the cheerleading and not for the T&A show that we like them for.
She is herself, now a cheerleader in Texas.
She is herself, now a cheerleader in Texas.
You wanna be careful with that information, Gip
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@everlastingxxx said:
Nothing wrong with you being proud of that and i dont have anything against it. When i say i havent met a Browns fan before i am not trying to be offensive. Just being honest. I have come across a number of different fans. Eagles, Packers, Steelers, Saints, Niners, Redskins, ect but never a Browns fan. Although driving around i saw a Browns decal on the back of a truck...he might be a Manziel fan tho. I tried to take a photo.
I have met only perhaps 5 actual Cowboy fans in my life. And I bet I meet a lot more people than you do.
One of them, unfortunately happens to now be my own daughter. But she likes them because A. she now goes to school in Texas and B. she primarily likes the cheerleaders.
As I have noted before elsewhere, she likes the cheerleaders for the cheerleading and not for the T&A show that we like them for.
She is herself, now a cheerleader in Texas.
She is herself, now a cheerleader in Texas.
*whistles* hellooooooooo, lil Gip!
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@everlastingxxx said:
Super Bowl? Hell id take a playoff win. Yea i looked at the Browns history the other day. Lots of titles in the 40s and 50s. I know i tried to find out why they were named the Browns, but they claim it was not named after the coach. Seems kindof ironic. Also, why no logo? They ever thought about adding one? What did Browns fan do when the team suspended operations. Did fans follow any other team? Just questions i had in my head.
Oh shit, Hoyer just got hurt.
OK, yea, the last time I remember the Cowboys had a playoff win about as long ago as the Browns did. (Last year: 1994).
Beyond the Browns, Northeast Ohio had other NFL titles: Cleveland Rams, Cleveland/Canton Bulldogs. THE very first NFL title was won by the Akron Pros.
And, if you didn't know, Dallas had a team that had to play some of its home games in Akron.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Texans_(NFL)
(If you would like us to again host one of your home games I am sure we could somehow accomodate you.)
Also, in case you didn't know, the Cowboys are not the only team in Dallas to win a championships......another second Dallas Texans team nka the Kansas City Chiefs won the AFL title in 1962.
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She is herself, now a cheerleader in Texas.
*whistles* hellooooooooo, lil Gip!
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@everlastingxxx said:
Interesting info. Thanks. Actually the Cowboys last playoff win was a few years ago against the Eagles. The Saints Super Bowl year.
Damn, Mingo lite up this Bills WR.
That's what I thought....but before that they had gone as long as the Browns in winning a postseason game.
But I still think the Foozlers have even gone longer than the Browns in winning a postseason game, even though they haven't had to go through the crap the Browns have. I mean the whole reconstitution thing....and while we have had 4 different owners they have the same one.
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No, I am giving you a lesson about history and truth. If you don't want to learn facts..and if you want to spew falsehoods that you think are facts then you need to slap yourself upside the head and say :wake up!
I'm incredibly confused. "Historically" speaking I was sure Art Modell moved the Browns to Baltimore and changed the name of the team. And in 99 Cleveland got a franchise, which is now the Cleveland Browns..... Is that NOT what happened?
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No, I am giving you a lesson about history and truth. If you don't want to learn facts..and if you want to spew falsehoods that you think are facts then you need to slap yourself upside the head and say :wake up!
I'm incredibly confused. "Historically" speaking I was sure Art Modell moved the Browns to Baltimore and changed the name of the team. And in 99 Cleveland got a franchise, which is now the Cleveland Browns..... Is that NOT what happened?
I'm incredibly confused. "Historically" speaking I was sure Art Modell moved the Browns to Baltimore and changed the name of the team. And in 99 Cleveland got a franchise, which is now the Cleveland Browns..... Is that NOT what happened?
Gipper will give you the details but the gist...the 1995 TEAM moved to Baltimore, the franchise never left. It suspended operations until a new team was formed and began playing in the 1999 season.
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I'm incredibly confused. "Historically" speaking I was sure Art Modell moved the Browns to Baltimore and changed the name of the team. And in 99 Cleveland got a franchise, which is now the Cleveland Browns..... Is that NOT what happened?
Gipper will give you the details but the gist...the 1995 TEAM moved to Baltimore, the franchise never left. It suspended operations until a new team was formed and began playing in the 1999 season.
Gipper will give you the details but the gist...the 1995 TEAM moved to Baltimore, the franchise never left. It suspended operations until a new team was formed and began playing in the 1999 season.
So.....the argument is semantics?
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No, I am giving you a lesson about history and truth. If you don't want to learn facts..and if you want to spew falsehoods that you think are facts then you need to slap yourself upside the head and say :wake up!
I'm incredibly confused. "Historically" speaking I was sure Art Modell moved the Browns to Baltimore and changed the name of the team. And in 99 Cleveland got a franchise, which is now the Cleveland Browns..... Is that NOT what happened?
I'm incredibly confused. "Historically" speaking I was sure Art Modell moved the Browns to Baltimore and changed the name of the team. And in 99 Cleveland got a franchise, which is now the Cleveland Browns..... Is that NOT what happened?
Fuck NO, that is NOT what happened. That is why I said that it is an education for you.
Like I said, the Browns franchise NEVER moved. It simply went inactive from field play. ..but it continued to operatie right out of the same facility in Berea that is being used today. The franchise never discontinued. The NFL appointed an Trustee to operate it (a guy name Bill Futterer) until certain decisions could be made about it. Those decisions were A. will we reactivate the franchise through an expansion like process....setting out ownership thereof through bids, or B. Will we award the Browns franchise to a current owner and put that current owners current team on inactive status...or discontinue it. The league chose the former, and Al Lerner was the succesful bidder for the ownership of the Cleveland Browns franchise...and the franchise was put on a schedule for on field reactivation...which occurred in 1999.
A brand new NFL franchise that became known as the Baltimore Ravens was created, and Modell was granted ownership of that new franchise by the NFL. Certain assets were assigned to that new franchise. Most notably, a couple of dozen player contracts, and the Browns draft positioning. Assigning an asset is not by any means the same as being the same owner.
Its like, if I sold or assigned my assets, say my 1956 Ford Fairlane and my print of Salvador Dali's Hallucinegenic Toreador to you....that does not mean you are now "The Gipper". You are you....and you now the owner of that 1956 Ford Fairlane and a print of the Dali painting, but you didn't assume my identity.
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I'm incredibly confused. "Historically" speaking I was sure Art Modell moved the Browns to Baltimore and changed the name of the team. And in 99 Cleveland got a franchise, which is now the Cleveland Browns..... Is that NOT what happened?
Gipper will give you the details but the gist...the 1995 TEAM moved to Baltimore, the franchise never left. It suspended operations until a new team was formed and began playing in the 1999 season.
Gipper will give you the details but the gist...the 1995 TEAM moved to Baltimore, the franchise never left. It suspended operations until a new team was formed and began playing in the 1999 season.
Well, it wasn't really even "The team". Art Modell went....but not even half of the front offics staff went. The GM didn't go. The head coach and all the coaching staff didn't go. Some jock straps and shoulder pads may have gone....but I am not even sure of that. Modell didn't even take his desk. But like I said, some players went (though there was about a 50% if not turnover in personell in that one year.), and the draft positioning...which the Browns could not use due to the inactivity, went.
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So.....the argument is semantics?
It is by NO means semantics. It was very real, actual legal, factual matters at hand.
I mean, I don't think it takes a law degree like I have to understand it, but it was all spelled out in the settlement agreement that was reached in the legal case involving a variety of parties (The Cities of Cleveland and Baltimore, the States of Ohio and Maryland, Modell, the NFL...Cuyahoga County...maybe others).
I mean, is it semantics if you get a divorce from your wife? Do you think you are still married to her, that you have just moved your residence? No.
I am not sure how to explain this easier in layman's turn.
I guess a better analogy is take the owner of a Burger King franchise that owns his burger joint at W. 3rd st., Cleveland, Ohio.
You go to Baltimore, and Burger King gives you a new franchise in Baltimore and you take some pots and pans with you from your other franchise. Well, you now run a new Burger King...but that one on W. 3rd in Cleveland is still there under new management and with renovated facilities, albeit it had to shut down for a while. But it is still the W 3rd St. Burger King.
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