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How many snaps has johnny taken in the NFL?
Oh...none you say? He is the very definition of untested.
Hoyer is only slightly tested....
TCPO correctly reminds us that thigpen is moderately tested.
Its sad you think college production....a mere 2 years at that....is even close to the NFL production. Johnny never even had a damn playbook. Never called protections.
Yet you honks think its going to be such an easy transition. You greatly overexaggerate his ability much the same way you accuse others of underestimating him. Irony at its finest.
He was 4-4 in the SEC last year....and you honks still say he "dominated" college football. LSU an mizz shut his one dimensional ass down. You think NFL DCs aren't smart enough to figure him out?
No...you don't. Cause your blind to reality. Simpletons such as yourself cannot distinguish between college production and NFL production. The list of heisman winning busts is much longer than heisman successes. If college success predicted NFL success, everyone could be a GM.
You manzeilots are nauseating. Get a fucking clue.
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Only smoke and spin cause you don't like the content.
Its the right answer....right now.
By all account, Lil john is a smart cat....he will eventually learn. Hoyer has a few years on him though, and that's what pettine is speaking to. No amount of johnny love changes the facts that he isn't adept at reading defenses yet, or that he never had a play book till now.
He is better served to learn the tools that will enable him to succeed. While you think he's a god and will pick up all that info in a couple months, reality dictates it will take a bit longer. If you truly want him to succeed, calm the fuck down. You're preconceived notions of draft slot dictating starter status are purely the result of your fandom....not reality.
Start him when he's ready.....but not before. I want a QB to finally pan out rather than playing him before he's ready. If you don't realize he has some things to learn, you're in for a long season.
Only smoke and spin cause you don't like the content.
Its the right answer....right now.
By all account, Lil john is a smart cat....he will eventually learn. Hoyer has a few years on him though, and that's what pettine is speaking to. No amount of johnny love changes the facts that he isn't adept at reading defenses yet, or that he never had a play book till now.
He is better served to learn the tools that will enable him to succeed. While you think he's a god and will pick up all that info in a couple months, reality dictates it will take a bit longer. If you truly want him to succeed, calm the fuck down. You're preconceived notions of draft slot dictating starter status are purely the result of your fandom....not reality.
Start him when he's ready.....but not before. I want a QB to finally pan out rather than playing him before he's ready. If you don't realize he has some things to learn, you're in for a long season.
Exactly this^^ think of JF as the new kick ass prototype car. You know that its gonna be sweet, but there are some bugs to work out and fine tuning to do still. Once you get all that ironed out, then you put it out on the road. Once JF works his kinks out and becomes NFL ready, then let him roll, but not before hes ready....
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@mike-h said:
Hoyers first pass was intercepted in 11-on-11's
Because it was tipped off Anthony Armstrong's hands...
Hmmm...very convenient omission....
I wonder why that is.....a "media" member spinning facts to suit his narrative....oh, how delicious lay surprising....
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lol....@walterwhite said:
Oh you self righteous "holier than thou" Ivory Tower schmuck.
We all have a difference of opinion but to act like your oh so higher than everyone...
who didn't smack the fuck out of you as a young man?
There's so many ways I could go with this.....
In the interest of the thread...let's go high road, cause its obvious you lack the mental fortitude to argue the football points. Rather, you insult at a grade school level.
I'm glad johnny is here....but I'm not going to ignore his deficiencies in the same vein on not gonna ignore anyone else's. There's been a heavy influx of you that would literally polish johnny knob because he's your hero.....whereas I'm (and many other "haters") are more pragmatic about his future. Yo don't even realize I want him to sit and learn to increase his chances of success.....while the honks want him to play because he's johnny flicking football.
If you were realistic about his game, rather than take the tact that he can do no wrong and is ready to destroy the league, you'd find I'm not as negative as you think.
I feel an obligation to temper the hype because this isn't college anymore. A knowledgeable johnny is better than an improvising johnny. You're so short sighted that you think he's got all the tools he needs to win.
But instead of arguing points, you're only recourse is to insiuate people are jealous because you're not smart enough to disseminate you opinion intelligently.
You're out ta you're league little man. Its you're bed time.
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Is he the sure fire starter. No. But your a fucking idiot if you think there is any chance he doesn't make the roster.
I'd love to know why.
Other than "He's Brian Hoyer, duhhhh."
I'd love to know why.
Other than "He's Brian Hoyer, duhhhh."
I'm just going to go off of what I saw in the games last year. I could see an immediate difference in the way the offense operated when Hoyer was in there vs. the other qb's that played for us. Did he play perfect? No, but it was refreshing to see that's for damn sure. I bet Farmer and Pettine saw that too and are letting him compete to be the starter because of it. Personally I haven't seen Thigpen ever play, so I don't have an opinion on him. Ultimately JF is gonna be the guy and I think the guys that make the decisions are gonna make sure he's ready before they make him the starter and IMO that's the smartest way to go about it.
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I'd love to know why.
Other than "He's Brian Hoyer, duhhhh."
I'm just going to go off of what I saw in the games last year. I could see an immediate difference in the way the offense operated when Hoyer was in there vs. the other qb's that played for us. Did he play perfect? No, but it was refreshing to see that's for damn sure. I bet Farmer and Pettine saw that too and are letting him compete to be the starter because of it. Personally I haven't seen Thigpen ever play, so I don't have an opinion on him. Ultimately JF is gonna be the guy and I think the guys that make the decisions are gonna make sure he's ready before they make him the starter and IMO that's the smartest way to go about it.
I'm just going to go off of what I saw in the games last year. I could see an immediate difference in the way the offense operated when Hoyer was in there vs. the other qb's that played for us. Did he play perfect? No, but it was refreshing to see that's for damn sure. I bet Farmer and Pettine saw that too and are letting him compete to be the starter because of it. Personally I haven't seen Thigpen ever play, so I don't have an opinion on him. Ultimately JF is gonna be the guy and I think the guys that make the decisions are gonna make sure he's ready before they make him the starter and IMO that's the smartest way to go about it.
Being better than Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell does not make someone a starting NFL QB. If that were the case, we'd all be starting NFL QB's.
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So I type all that out.....on a phone... and you're retort is spelling mistakes?@walterwhite said:
If you're going to say you're smarter than me, please use proper grammar and spelling you fucking idiot.
1. It's YOUR not "YOU'RE".
2. You = Your.
Lmao....
I'll take that as submission.
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Choco, it's easy to win an argument by restating someone's words into something different. I asked for someone to make the Hoyer case.
Apparently That isn't possible.
Yes, college is different but it's not golf to boxing either.
4-4 last year. Ok. And he was a Heisman finalist and gained more yards in the sec than anyone else not named Manziel. Leave out the 109th ranked defense part though.
But Hoyer!!!! 1,000 less yards in 9 years than Manziel in 2.
That's twice as much college time ( not in the SEC) and 5 year Cushing in the NFL.
This is dumb. There is no case for hoyer. Make it if I'm wrong, try not to cliche me to death on unmeasurables.
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I think it mostly has to do with Hoyer being the closest thing we have to an entrenched starter but I could be wrong.
At this point I just want someone to win the job and prove they deserve it so I don't have to read another damn QB thread.
I think it mostly has to do with Hoyer being the closest thing we have to an entrenched starter but I could be wrong.
At this point I just want someone to win the job and prove they deserve it so I don't have to read another damn QB thread.
this is exactly correct. too bad that people that haven't watched the browns for the last fucking 20 years just stroll in and act like hoyer is just a bum that can be rolled over because he was a backup QB. well hasn't thigpen been a backup QB too and JF too?
the only reason MOST people around here like hoyer is because before he fucked up his knee there was an excitement in cleveland. not because he is a native clevelander, but because he won, 3 in a row. which has been unheard of in recent years. there was an actual glimmer of hope. maybe we're expecting to see that for 16 games if he is the starter.
for all you queefs that think cleveland is a laughingstock i say "SEE YA!" a true cleveland fan does not talk shit about the team or the city. go root for the fucking panthers, i heard they have a great blow boy QB there.
and to all you johnny fans. yeah he might be the starter this year, when i don't know and i don't fucking care. this is all you really have to do with yourselves is come to the browns board (which i'm sure you never sniffed before JF got drafted) and cry, bitch, whine and promote your gay love affair for this kid? it's fucking sickening. if you were true football fans rooting for the browns it wouldn't matter to you who starts as long as the browns won.
go root for the cowboys and chime in back here when JF has a 3 TD day. until then STFU.
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Lol....the one bringing out spelling smack (cause she has no football acumen) can't even get the cliché right....
You couldn't care less....you fucking moron.
To wtl....typical honk blames others. He put up 42 on alamba while his D gave up 49. I guess that's a poor defense as well....?....
If your argument is total yards, it doesn't deserve my time. As I've said, I'm not honking for anyone....unlike your myopic ass. The case is simply experience. Johnny has none...Nada, zilch. College stats are irrelevant. That's not an arguement. Its a crutch for those that can't accept that johnny isn't a complete player.
Mitigate the difference between college and pros all you want....what matters is wins. And johnny was OK in that department. He got a bowl game against football powerhouse duke.
OK then.....if johnny couldn't do it all himself....in college, due to a poor defense....by you own words.....which he can't be held accountable..... then just how are you arguing that he's gonna be the man in the NFL? He's Johnny fucking football right? He doesn't need anyone!
Oh....already setting yourself up for excuses when/if he struggles.....got it.
I can also massage stats to paint a picture....only one stat matters....wins. seems to me even college DCs figured him out in year 2.....cause heisman "finalist" had a tougher time winning in year 2. Oh yeah....he lost out to another freshman.....that actually won the big game.
So....tell ya what....I'll give you the case for hoyer, or even thigpen, after you convince me an undersize pipsqueak rookie what never played under center or had a playbook or read a defense or constantly lobs floaters off his back foot is going to tear it up against players that aren't bagging groceries next year. The sensationalist propaganda isn't gonna cut it.
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Lol.
No one can make the Hoyer case. It's ALL ABOUT JOHNNY.
OOPS, sorry, I missed the:
He played mediocre in 3 games that were wins.
Someone get tebow on the phone. QUICK!
It's comical, I bet I can find the same posters for Hoyer saying johnny shouldn't be the guy because he is an injury waiting to happen. Which makes zero sense. But that's the game here apparently. Fat girls are sexy.
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Lol.
No one can make the Hoyer case. It's ALL ABOUT JOHNNY.
OOPS, sorry, I missed the:
He played mediocre in 3 games that were wins.
Someone get tebow on the phone. QUICK!
It's comical, I bet I can find the same posters for Hoyer saying johnny shouldn't be the guy because he is an injury waiting to happen. Which makes zero sense. But that's the game here apparently. Fat girls are sexy.
Lol.
No one can make the Hoyer case. It's ALL ABOUT JOHNNY.
OOPS, sorry, I missed the:
He played mediocre in 3 games that were wins.
Someone get tebow on the phone. QUICK!
It's comical, I bet I can find the same posters for Hoyer saying johnny shouldn't be the guy because he is an injury waiting to happen. Which makes zero sense. But that's the game here apparently. Fat girls are sexy.
fagboys like you make it easy for people to hate on your blowboy. when are you douches going to realize that you are just acting like irrational little girls?
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walter? is that you?
well i guess you'd have to make room somewhere on your tyler thigpen stroke-it shrine for the manziel bobble head. then you can have your uncles NEIL and BOB over to check it out.
My shrine is devoted to starting the quarterback who gives us the best chance to win.
Not blowing a quarterback because he's from
Cleveland, or because he's colleges best QB, or because he's from Coastal.
Shanahan is expected to run heavily out of the Pistol formation. Thigpen's experience, both in college and in the NFL, is from the pistol.
My evaluations are based off the personnel and scheme fit, not off where a guy was born.
Thigpen fits the scheme better and he just so happens to have more NFL experience than any other QB on the roster. He's also not coming off a rather devastating knee injury.
What exactly makes Hoyer the guaranteed starter? His mediocre performance against the leagues worst passing defense? His mediocre performance against a defense missing 3 of their 4 defensive backfield starters?
Don't try to act better than the JF fanboys when you're equally as guilty of worshipping Hoyer for no reason other than he's from Cleveland. The wins in Minnesota and Cincy were nice, but it was hardly like Hoyer put them team on his back.
It's like Tour, Mike and I are the only ones who actually judge players based off how they can help the football team on the field.
It's like Tour, Mike and I are the only ones who actually judge players based off how they can help the football team on the field.
While I appreciate the inclusion that trio, it did make me laugh...
Probably more to do with the picture that immediately sprang to mind of a head exploding somewhere in the mid-Pacific and getting brains all over a smart phone...
Anyway... Why Hoyer? Because he provided a spark in an otherwise lackluster 2013 QB season.
Yes, he struggled in the MN game and threw 3 INTs (all to LBs underneath IIRC), but rallied the O with 3 TDs and over 300 yds and won a shoot out.
But then against Cinci he managed us to victory in a D oriented game... 2 TD 0 INT.
I like the glimpse of command and game flexibility he showed. I want to see if it is real.
It has zero to do with where he is from.
What happened to this board, people calling each other out and being bitches? Yes in his drills the writer who was THERE, said he looked like he is ready in that sense. It's called hyperbole, look it up.
My remark was tongue-in-cheek... Everyone is so tense... What has happened to having fun around here?
My goodness the idiocy is thick in here.
It's ok to not think Manziel is the guy. But to argue Hoyer is without offering points to explain your position is?
What athletically can Hoyer do Manziel can't?
The mental bs is over rated.
1. Manziel will catch up in 1/2 a season at minimum
2. Hoyer actually has less experience than Manziel. Manziel has played with all eyes on him under extreme scrutiny and has shined. Moyer hasn't
Reading defenses is great. Making plays is better. Hoyer isn't a playmaker. Otherwise he would have been making plays the last 5 years. Manziel has 1,000 more yards in 2 seasons than Hoyer has in 9. Read that again.
Hoyer wasn't mobile before his knee injury. What can we expect now?
Manziel is the better athlete... unfortunately for JM this is not an athletic competition.
"The mental bs is overrated"? You cannot be talking about QB in the NFL. If you are, then you are now the proud owner of the single stupidest comment I have ever read on this site.
In 1/2 season? Perhaps JM will be the starter by then, but when you have just admitted that JM is behind Hoyer, why do I have to make a case?
Yards do not equal "experience". Experience = experience... and by that measure Hoyer not only has more college experience but also infinitely more pro experience. A good bit of the latter next to one of the best minds at QB today... Tom Brady.
As for his mobility... By all accounts I have read, Hoyer's surgery was a complete success and Brian has been rehabbing like a madman. While not the runner JM was in college, Hoyer was plenty mobile enough prior to the injury, showing damn good pocket presence and an ability to extend plays inside the pocket... all you really want from a pro QB. I expect that will be there again this August.
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I think it mostly has to do with Hoyer being the closest thing we have to an entrenched starter but I could be wrong.
At this point I just want someone to win the job and prove they deserve it so I don't have to read another damn QB thread.
this is exactly correct. too bad that people that haven't watched the browns for the last fucking 20 years just stroll in and act like hoyer is just a bum that can be rolled over because he was a backup QB. well hasn't thigpen been a backup QB too and JF too?
the only reason MOST people around here like hoyer is because before he fucked up his knee there was an excitement in cleveland. not because he is a native clevelander, but because he won, 3 in a row. which has been unheard of in recent years. there was an actual glimmer of hope. maybe we're expecting to see that for 16 games if he is the starter.
for all you queefs that think cleveland is a laughingstock i say "SEE YA!" a true cleveland fan does not talk shit about the team or the city. go root for the fucking panthers, i heard they have a great blow boy QB there.
and to all you johnny fans. yeah he might be the starter this year, when i don't know and i don't fucking care. this is all you really have to do with yourselves is come to the browns board (which i'm sure you never sniffed before JF got drafted) and cry, bitch, whine and promote your gay love affair for this kid? it's fucking sickening. if you were true football fans rooting for the browns it wouldn't matter to you who starts as long as the browns won.
go root for the cowboys and chime in back here when JF has a 3 TD day. until then STFU.
He won 2 games, you fuckstick.this is exactly correct. too bad that people that haven't watched the browns for the last fucking 20 years just stroll in and act like hoyer is just a bum that can be rolled over because he was a backup QB. well hasn't thigpen been a backup QB too and JF too?
the only reason MOST people around here like hoyer is because before he fucked up his knee there was an excitement in cleveland. not because he is a native clevelander, but because he won, 3 in a row. which has been unheard of in recent years. there was an actual glimmer of hope. maybe we're expecting to see that for 16 games if he is the starter.
for all you queefs that think cleveland is a laughingstock i say "SEE YA!" a true cleveland fan does not talk shit about the team or the city. go root for the fucking panthers, i heard they have a great blow boy QB there.
and to all you johnny fans. yeah he might be the starter this year, when i don't know and i don't fucking care. this is all you really have to do with yourselves is come to the browns board (which i'm sure you never sniffed before JF got drafted) and cry, bitch, whine and promote your gay love affair for this kid? it's fucking sickening. if you were true football fans rooting for the browns it wouldn't matter to you who starts as long as the browns won.
go root for the cowboys and chime in back here when JF has a 3 TD day. until then STFU.
It's not shit talking if it's true. You might live in ignorant bliss, where Cleveland is the center of the world and you aren't old and tubby, but that doesn't make it true.
You tell someone you're a Browns fan, you get three responses: "I'm sorry", "Are you from Cleveland?", or "Why?".
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Maybe I should clarify.
There are two parts of the mental game.
1. The Billy Beene / Lenny Dykstra side.
You can overthink things. Sometimes a f it, I'll stick em is better than over analyzing.
IMO johnny is unmatched in this because he doesn't shit the bed in big moments. In a playoff game right now, I give the mental advantage to Manziel. And it's not even close. Everyone wanted Manziel to fail in BAMA II. Even auburn alums ( like Barkley). Johnny gained more yards than anyone has ever gained on Alabama. That's big state production. HUUUUUUGE part of the mental game. Hoyer is untested. Johnny isn't.
2, X's $ O's
Manziel scored a 32 on the wonderlic; he's not an idiot. The poor decision making people often criticize was actually the opposite. Johnny football came out on 3rd down, johnny Manziel was 1&2. He played risk/reward very well. Also, teams have tried EVERYTHING on him. He's going to catch up with Hoyer in no time. This slight edge to Hoyer isn't enough to make up for M1 and physical differences.
Otherwise HE WOULD HAVE BEEN PLAYING FOOTBALL.
You guys have zero clue who johnny is, it's almost hilarious. You're going to be pleasantly surprised and feel pretty dumb.
Maybe I should clarify. There are two parts of the mental game.
1. The Billy Beene / Lenny Dykstra side.
You can overthink things. Sometimes a f it, I'll stick em is better than over analyzing.
IMO johnny is unmatched in this because he doesn't shit the bed in big moments. In a playoff game right now, I give the mental advantage to Manziel. And it's not even close. Everyone wanted Manziel to fail in BAMA II. Even auburn alums ( like Barkley). Johnny gained more yards than anyone has ever gained on Alabama. That's big state production. HUUUUUUGE part of the mental game. Hoyer is untested. Johnny isn't.
While Billy Beane may at long last have his winner, you do realize that things did not work out all that well for Lenny... right?
And now yards = "mental game"? A post ago it was yards = "experience".
Funny thing is that when you apply the transitive property of equality it actually turns out to be correct...
So if JM succeeds as you say he did in BAMA II, then the hell with the team? I ask because as I remember A&M lost rather handily, i.e., the game was not as close as the score.
@walterwhite said:
Oh you self righteous "holier than thou" Ivory Tower schmuck.
We all have a difference of opinion but to act like your oh so higher than everyone...
who didn't smack the fuck out of you as a young man?
Are you the guy with the "My kid kicked the shit out of your honor student" bumper sticker?
Seriously Walter, read some of your own posts with an open mind and gain an ounce of self-awareness.
Choco, it's easy to win an argument by restating someone's words into something different. I asked for someone to make the Hoyer case. Apparently That isn't possible.
Yes, college is different but it's not golf to boxing either.
4-4 last year. Ok. And he was a Heisman finalist and gained more yards in the sec than anyone else not named Manziel. Leave out the 109th ranked defense part though.
But Hoyer!!!! 1,000 less yards in 9 years than Manziel in 2.
That's twice as much college time ( not in the SEC) and 5 year Cushing in the NFL.
This is dumb. There is no case for hoyer. Make it if I'm wrong, try not to cliche me to death on unmeasurables.
My reply with my (and your) case for Hoyer should be a post or two above this one. Let me know what you think...
Meanwhile here's a fun fact! Teams playing from behind (as one with a 109th ranked defense did) set their QB up for a lot of stat padding... you know garbage time type stuff when opposing D lets the underneath stuff go.
By "unmeasurables" do you mean like your faith in JM's playoff prowess?
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I'm just going to go off of what I saw in the games last year. I could see an immediate difference in the way the offense operated when Hoyer was in there vs. the other qb's that played for us. Did he play perfect? No, but it was refreshing to see that's for damn sure. I bet Farmer and Pettine saw that too and are letting him compete to be the starter because of it. Personally I haven't seen Thigpen ever play, so I don't have an opinion on him. Ultimately JF is gonna be the guy and I think the guys that make the decisions are gonna make sure he's ready before they make him the starter and IMO that's the smartest way to go about it.
Being better than Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell does not make someone a starting NFL QB. If that were the case, we'd all be starting NFL QB's.
Being better than Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell does not make someone a starting NFL QB. If that were the case, we'd all be starting NFL QB's.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly how he became a starting NFL qb..... I really don't see what's so wrong with making sure JF is ready to be the starter as opposed to making him the starter before he's ready. If he's ready to be the man come week one, by all means let him start wreckin the league. Either way I'm gonna be cheering on my Browns.
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Lol....the one bringing out spelling smack (cause she has no football acumen) can't even get the cliché right....
You couldn't care less....you fucking moron.
To wtl....typical honk blames others. He put up 42 on alamba while his D gave up 49. I guess that's a poor defense as well....?....
If your argument is total yards, it doesn't deserve my time. As I've said, I'm not honking for anyone....unlike your myopic ass. The case is simply experience. Johnny has none...Nada, zilch. College stats are irrelevant. That's not an arguement. Its a crutch for those that can't accept that johnny isn't a complete player.
Mitigate the difference between college and pros all you want....what matters is wins. And johnny was OK in that department. He got a bowl game against football powerhouse duke.
OK then.....if johnny couldn't do it all himself....in college, due to a poor defense....by you own words.....which he can't be held accountable..... then just how are you arguing that he's gonna be the man in the NFL? He's Johnny fucking football right? He doesn't need anyone!
Oh....already setting yourself up for excuses when/if he struggles.....got it.
I can also massage stats to paint a picture....only one stat matters....wins. seems to me even college DCs figured him out in year 2.....cause heisman "finalist" had a tougher time winning in year 2. Oh yeah....he lost out to another freshman.....that actually won the big game.
So....tell ya what....I'll give you the case for hoyer, or even thigpen, after you convince me an undersize pipsqueak rookie what never played under center or had a playbook or read a defense or constantly lobs floaters off his back foot is going to tear it up against players that aren't bagging groceries next year. The sensationalist propaganda isn't gonna cut it.
Lol....the one bringing out spelling smack (cause she has no football acumen) can't even get the cliché right....
You couldn't care less....you fucking moron.
To wtl....typical honk blames others. He put up 42 on alamba while his D gave up 49. I guess that's a poor defense as well....?....
If your argument is total yards, it doesn't deserve my time. As I've said, I'm not honking for anyone....unlike your myopic ass. The case is simply experience. Johnny has none...Nada, zilch. College stats are irrelevant. That's not an arguement. Its a crutch for those that can't accept that johnny isn't a complete player.
Mitigate the difference between college and pros all you want....what matters is wins. And johnny was OK in that department. He got a bowl game against football powerhouse duke.
OK then.....if johnny couldn't do it all himself....in college, due to a poor defense....by you own words.....which he can't be held accountable..... then just how are you arguing that he's gonna be the man in the NFL? He's Johnny fucking football right? He doesn't need anyone!
Oh....already setting yourself up for excuses when/if he struggles.....got it.
I can also massage stats to paint a picture....only one stat matters....wins. seems to me even college DCs figured him out in year 2.....cause heisman "finalist" had a tougher time winning in year 2. Oh yeah....he lost out to another freshman.....that actually won the big game.
So....tell ya what....I'll give you the case for hoyer, or even thigpen, after you convince me an undersize pipsqueak rookie what never played under center or had a playbook or read a defense or constantly lobs floaters off his back foot is going to tear it up against players that aren't bagging groceries next year. The sensationalist propaganda isn't gonna cut it.
LMAO , you're an IDIOT. I couldn't stop laughing after I read " DC coordinators figured him out" fucking hilarious .
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I'm with Trader Ray Farmer.
Hoyer, of course, is a much better qb than Manziel.
There is a lot to learn. The best way to ruin a young qb's confidence,
is by throwing him to the wolves in a new system his rookie year.
Unless you happen to have superior talent around him, it's not a good idea.
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