The UCSB shooters parents blame 2nd amendment.
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Mental health, misogyny, spoiled/entitlement,gender placement in society. These are the issues. not the gun/knife
Mental health, misogyny, spoiled/entitlement,gender placement in society. These are the issues. not the gun/knife
And like I said before are you willing to pay more taxes for a mental health overhaul? You know that would mean changing the standard for gun ownership don't you?
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
You guys call anyone that advocates a better standard for gun ownership "anti gunners" because that makes us more threatening to you and therefore an enemy. Perhaps an enemy to be gunned down, no? Since all we want is to take all your guns and rights away after all. Murica.
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You guys call anyone that advocates a better standard for gun ownership "anti gunners" because that makes us more threatening to you and therefore an enemy. Perhaps an enemy to be gunned down, no? Since all we want is to take all your guns and rights away after all. Murica.
Perhaps an enemy to be gunned down, no? Since all we want is to take all your guns and rights away after all. Murica.
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Can we at least edit the title of this thread? You know... so its actually true?
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Can we at least edit the title of this thread? You know... so its actually true?
No. I prefer my threads murky and non-informative.
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Perhaps an enemy to be gunned down, no? Since all we want is to take all your guns and rights away after all. Murica.
Perhaps an enemy to be gunned down, no? Since all we want is to take all your guns and rights away after all. Murica.
So why else call us "anti gunners". Why make it us vs them? That's a sure way to never reach a compromise.
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Perhaps an enemy to be gunned down, no? Since all we want is to take all your guns and rights away after all. Murica.
So why else call us "anti gunners". Why make it us vs them? That's a sure way to never reach a compromise.
So why else call us "anti gunners". Why make it us vs them? That's a sure way to never reach a compromise.
Implying that one side is making it an us vs. them and implying that they would want to gun down the other is just straight up trolling.
As for the anti gunner label, I find it unproductive to a discussion. Not nearly as unproductive as calling gun owners weak and pathetic, but pretty unproductive.
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No I'm just playing up my role as an "anti gunner". by the way please inform me where changing the standard for gun ownership is "anti" gun. You must be a square because logic is not making an appearance
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No I'm just playing up my role as an "anti gunner". by the way please inform me where changing the standard for gun ownership is "anti" gun. You must be a square because logic is not making an appearance
No I'm just playing up my role as an "anti gunner". by the way please inform me where changing the standard for gun ownership is "anti" gun. You must be a square because logic is not making an appearance
Who are you arguing with? I never said anything about "anti-gun". Confusing your targets, Cal?
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Dude if guys like legacy want to go on the attack rather than stick to actual points they're going to find I have no problem counter attacking.
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Dude if guys like legacy want to go on the attack rather than stick to actual points they're going to find I have no problem counter attacking.
Dude if guys like legacy want to go on the attack rather than stick to actual points they're going to find I have no problem counter attacking.
When has anyone stuck to the points in any debate on this forum?
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As for trolling we've been having this go round for thousands of posts before you arrived. I've come to the conclusion long ago that trying to discuss here is utterly pointless. One does not simply "discuss" an issue on the browns board. You attack or you defend but you do not discuss.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Dude if guys like legacy want to go on the attack rather than stick to actual points they're going to find I have no problem counter attacking.
When has anyone stuck to the points in any debate on this forum?
When has anyone stuck to the points in any debate on this forum?
Basically this is correct.
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As for trolling we've been having this go round for thousands of posts before you arrived. I've come to the conclusion long ago that trying to discuss here is utterly pointless. One does not simply "discuss" an issue on the browns board. You attack or you defend but you do not discuss.
As for trolling we've been having this go round for thousands of posts before you arrived. I've come to the conclusion long ago that trying to discuss here is utterly pointless. One does not simply "discuss" an issue on the browns board. You attack or you defend but you do not discuss.
That is the internet.
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But for real when pointing the finger at mental health as legacy is doing you have to realize reforming mental health would inevitably change the standard of legal gun ownership. So why the backlash to suggesting a change in the standard of gun ownership?
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Unless you don't think there is a problem and then you are probably mentally ill equipped to be trusted with a gun, since you'd be living in a fantasy world.
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I have no problem keeping guns away from those who shouldn't have them.
The NRA is fine with that.
But telling millions of good, decent, law abiding citizens who have guns,
that they are guilty of something, then penalize them, then fine them and fee them,
force them to register all guns, then publish the lists of those who registered,
then start dickering with definitions of what kind of gun they are allowed to own, etc etc etc....
with the "idea" that it will stop nutjobs and crooks from having guns....
is bogus.
So, I call it "anti-gunners" because of the apparent ulterior motives. There, I'm giving anti gunners
the benefit of the doubt for being intelligent and well meaning.
Like Feinstein - she has a gun, has used it to defend herself, yet she said that if she could have gotten the votes,
she'd ban them.
I'm fine with background checks. But those aren't going to stop crooks from getting guns on the black market,
and reselling them to violent nutjobs.
The more obvious explanation for the conflicting "intent", and dubious actions behind the words -
is political antagonism, posturing for liberal dominance over conservatives.
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Re: Mental Health
Therapy is only going to help those who want to help themselves. I read that this kid was cleared by a therapist a few weeks/months prior because he was able to game the system. The kid was intelligent, but so deluded that he was practically untreatable. The kid needed to be committed to a hospital, but if there's no prior criminal history, and he's unwilling to commit himself, there wasn't much evidence that would convince a judge to order him help. As a country, we've decided that the right to own firearms is covered by the 2nd amendment. Unfortunately, that means that people with a clean background who go off the deep end will occasionally do something like this.
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Unless the NRA thinks everyone should have guns and views any kind of reform as an attempt to eliminate all guns.
What exactly is the issue with "smart" guns again? Something to do with some big brother Obamao spying conspiracy, right?
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smart guns? What happens when they don't work?
What happens when they are interfered with by a jammer?
Of course, the biggest problem, is cost. Instead of a pistol costing
somewhere around 400 = 500 bucks, the cost could easily triple.
And, no smart gun is smart enough to not be used by a nutjob in a violent crime.
so the point is.............
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