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  • Mental health, misogyny, spoiled/entitlement,gender placement in society. These are the issues. not the gun/knife

    Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck. -Don Shula
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  • Browns149B Browns149

    You anti-gunners don't make any sense - going after law abiding citizens who have guns,

    "because criminals and crazy people commit crimes"....

    Didn't this guy run people over with his Beemer too, or at least try ? Maybe we should ban cars for all the law abiding drivers too

    @browns149 said:

    You anti-gunners don't make any sense - going after law abiding citizens who have guns,

    "because criminals and crazy people commit crimes"....

    Didn't this guy run people over with his Beemer too, or at least try ? Maybe we should ban cars for all the law abiding drivers too

    The cars=guns argument is a very popular deflection around here no matter how ridiculous it is. Congratulations. Now you=bunker

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
  • Legacy FanL Legacy Fan

    Mental health, misogyny, spoiled/entitlement,gender placement in society. These are the issues. not the gun/knife

    @legacy-fan said:

    Mental health, misogyny, spoiled/entitlement,gender placement in society. These are the issues. not the gun/knife

    And like I said before are you willing to pay more taxes for a mental health overhaul? You know that would mean changing the standard for gun ownership don't you?

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
    Legacy FanL 1 Reply

  • You guys call anyone that advocates a better standard for gun ownership "anti gunners" because that makes us more threatening to you and therefore an enemy. Perhaps an enemy to be gunned down, no? Since all we want is to take all your guns and rights away after all. Murica.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
  • T The Cysko Kid

    You guys call anyone that advocates a better standard for gun ownership "anti gunners" because that makes us more threatening to you and therefore an enemy. Perhaps an enemy to be gunned down, no? Since all we want is to take all your guns and rights away after all. Murica.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Perhaps an enemy to be gunned down, no? Since all we want is to take all your guns and rights away after all. Murica.

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  • Can we at least edit the title of this thread? You know... so its actually true?

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    Can we at least edit the title of this thread? You know... so its actually true?

    @mld-woody said:

    Can we at least edit the title of this thread? You know... so its actually true?

    No. I prefer my threads murky and non-informative.

  • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Perhaps an enemy to be gunned down, no? Since all we want is to take all your guns and rights away after all. Murica.

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    @logicisforsquares said:

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Perhaps an enemy to be gunned down, no? Since all we want is to take all your guns and rights away after all. Murica.

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    So why else call us "anti gunners". Why make it us vs them? That's a sure way to never reach a compromise.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
  • T The Cysko Kid

    @logicisforsquares said:

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Perhaps an enemy to be gunned down, no? Since all we want is to take all your guns and rights away after all. Murica.

    internet_troll.png

    So why else call us "anti gunners". Why make it us vs them? That's a sure way to never reach a compromise.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    So why else call us "anti gunners". Why make it us vs them? That's a sure way to never reach a compromise.

    Implying that one side is making it an us vs. them and implying that they would want to gun down the other is just straight up trolling.

    As for the anti gunner label, I find it unproductive to a discussion. Not nearly as unproductive as calling gun owners weak and pathetic, but pretty unproductive.

  • No I'm just playing up my role as an "anti gunner". by the way please inform me where changing the standard for gun ownership is "anti" gun. You must be a square because logic is not making an appearance

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
  • T The Cysko Kid

    No I'm just playing up my role as an "anti gunner". by the way please inform me where changing the standard for gun ownership is "anti" gun. You must be a square because logic is not making an appearance

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    No I'm just playing up my role as an "anti gunner". by the way please inform me where changing the standard for gun ownership is "anti" gun. You must be a square because logic is not making an appearance

    Who are you arguing with? I never said anything about "anti-gun". Confusing your targets, Cal?

  • Dude if guys like legacy want to go on the attack rather than stick to actual points they're going to find I have no problem counter attacking.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
  • T The Cysko Kid

    Dude if guys like legacy want to go on the attack rather than stick to actual points they're going to find I have no problem counter attacking.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Dude if guys like legacy want to go on the attack rather than stick to actual points they're going to find I have no problem counter attacking.

    When has anyone stuck to the points in any debate on this forum?

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  • As for trolling we've been having this go round for thousands of posts before you arrived. I've come to the conclusion long ago that trying to discuss here is utterly pointless. One does not simply "discuss" an issue on the browns board. You attack or you defend but you do not discuss.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
    LogicIsForSquaresL 1 Reply
  • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Dude if guys like legacy want to go on the attack rather than stick to actual points they're going to find I have no problem counter attacking.

    When has anyone stuck to the points in any debate on this forum?

    @logicisforsquares said:

    When has anyone stuck to the points in any debate on this forum?

    Basically this is correct.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
  • T The Cysko Kid

    As for trolling we've been having this go round for thousands of posts before you arrived. I've come to the conclusion long ago that trying to discuss here is utterly pointless. One does not simply "discuss" an issue on the browns board. You attack or you defend but you do not discuss.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    As for trolling we've been having this go round for thousands of posts before you arrived. I've come to the conclusion long ago that trying to discuss here is utterly pointless. One does not simply "discuss" an issue on the browns board. You attack or you defend but you do not discuss.

    That is the internet.

  • But for real when pointing the finger at mental health as legacy is doing you have to realize reforming mental health would inevitably change the standard of legal gun ownership. So why the backlash to suggesting a change in the standard of gun ownership?

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • Unless you don't think there is a problem and then you are probably mentally ill equipped to be trusted with a gun, since you'd be living in a fantasy world.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • I have no problem keeping guns away from those who shouldn't have them.

    The NRA is fine with that.

    But telling millions of good, decent, law abiding citizens who have guns,

    that they are guilty of something, then penalize them, then fine them and fee them,

    force them to register all guns, then publish the lists of those who registered,

    then start dickering with definitions of what kind of gun they are allowed to own, etc etc etc....

    with the "idea" that it will stop nutjobs and crooks from having guns....

    is bogus.

    So, I call it "anti-gunners" because of the apparent ulterior motives. There, I'm giving anti gunners

    the benefit of the doubt for being intelligent and well meaning.

    Like Feinstein - she has a gun, has used it to defend herself, yet she said that if she could have gotten the votes,

    she'd ban them.

    I'm fine with background checks. But those aren't going to stop crooks from getting guns on the black market,

    and reselling them to violent nutjobs.

    The more obvious explanation for the conflicting "intent", and dubious actions behind the words -

    is political antagonism, posturing for liberal dominance over conservatives.

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  • Re: Mental Health

    Therapy is only going to help those who want to help themselves. I read that this kid was cleared by a therapist a few weeks/months prior because he was able to game the system. The kid was intelligent, but so deluded that he was practically untreatable. The kid needed to be committed to a hospital, but if there's no prior criminal history, and he's unwilling to commit himself, there wasn't much evidence that would convince a judge to order him help. As a country, we've decided that the right to own firearms is covered by the 2nd amendment. Unfortunately, that means that people with a clean background who go off the deep end will occasionally do something like this.

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