Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Would going to the memorial result in more wins come the 2014 season?
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Would going to the memorial result in more wins come the 2014 season?
Would going to the memorial result in more wins come the 2014 season?
No, but wouldn't have had the negative publicity the Vegas trip did.
Starting QBs tend to be the face of the franchise. JFF aspires to be that, so, he would have been better served going to the veteran thing.
Having said that, he might have already made arrangements for the Vegas trip to hang out with some of his friends he hasn't seen in a while. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the Vegas Vacation, but the veteran thing would have been better.
Although nobody would have said a word had he went to the veterans thing, so no one would have known he went.
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@Everlasting. We as Cleveland Browns fans don't need to adjust to a fucking thing. We have been here in the bad times and the good unlike you who will jump ship the second things are not to your liking! Go back to the cowboys, they can use more worthless people on the bandwagon!
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Don't care about the Vegas trip but I find it interesting he is not hanging out with any Browns yet.
Which raises the question ... Who will be his best friend on the team?
I'm figuring a younger white guy on the offensive side of the ball.
Cameron? Cameron and Yount seem to hang out ... I can see Johnny running with those guys.
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Don't care about the Vegas trip but I find it interesting he is not hanging out with any Browns yet.
Which raises the question ... Who will be his best friend on the team?
I'm figuring a younger white guy on the offensive side of the ball.
Cameron? Cameron and Yount seem to hang out ... I can see Johnny running with those guys.
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Zombo said:
Don't care about the Vegas trip but I find it interesting he is not hanging out with any Browns yet.
Which raises the question ... Who will be his best friend on the team?
I'm figuring a younger white guy on the offensive side of the ball.
Cameron? Cameron and Yount seem to hang out ... I can see Johnny running with those guys.
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Hard to say. Him and Mike Evans were tight, but he was tight with Ryan Swope, a white receiver, his freshman year also. Jonathan Stewart, the former teammate he partied with in Vegas, was a linebacker. He hangs with Drake, whoever that is, and LeBron James.
If I had to guess I'd guess his best friend would be a black receiver. Maybe Gilbert?
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Your welcome.
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Zombo said:
Don't care about the Vegas trip but I find it interesting he is not hanging out with any Browns yet.
Which raises the question ... Who will be his best friend on the team?
I'm figuring a younger white guy on the offensive side of the ball.
Cameron? Cameron and Yount seem to hang out ... I can see Johnny running with those guys.
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Hard to say. Him and Mike Evans were tight, but he was tight with Ryan Swope, a white receiver, his freshman year also. Jonathan Stewart, the former teammate he partied with in Vegas, was a linebacker. He hangs with Drake, whoever that is, and LeBron James.
If I had to guess I'd guess his best friend would be a black receiver. Maybe Gilbert?
TyperWoods said:
Hard to say. Him and Mike Evans were tight, but he was tight with Ryan Swope, a white receiver, his freshman year also. Jonathan Stewart, the former teammate he partied with in Vegas, was a linebacker. He hangs with Drake, whoever that is, and LeBron James.
If I had to guess I'd guess his best friend would be a black receiver. Maybe Gilbert?
If he was smart he would gravitate to the lineman we drafted, Brian Boitano or whatever, he's huge and everyone says he's mean as hell. and he'll be protecting him on Sundays for years to come.
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Cleveland is not going to become Manzieled. Manziel is going to become Clevelanded.@everlastingxxx said:
Yes adjust. Adjust to being in the spotlight. Now you know what its like being a Cowboys fan. Everything being blown out of proportion by the media. Romo goes to Cabo and all hell breaks lose. You think Manziel is bad, try rooting for someone like Terrell Owens. I have been a Cowboys fan since the Danny White years. I have seen and been through it all as a fan. You think the Patriot game last year was bad, hell Cowboy fans experience that each week.
BTW, the worst you have to deal with is Johnny going to Vegas. Cowboys lost their best defensive player for the season on a non-contact drill.
Just like when guys like Corey Dillon and Randy Moss went to New England they became good soldiers, that's the kind of ship Pettine will run. Johnny will fit in and excel.
You have a circus in Dallas because the guy in charge is a circus clown.
Manziel will do things the Browns way. Mike Pettine's way.
Z
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TyperWoods said:
Hard to say. Him and Mike Evans were tight, but he was tight with Ryan Swope, a white receiver, his freshman year also. Jonathan Stewart, the former teammate he partied with in Vegas, was a linebacker. He hangs with Drake, whoever that is, and LeBron James.
If I had to guess I'd guess his best friend would be a black receiver. Maybe Gilbert?
If he was smart he would gravitate to the lineman we drafted, Brian Boitano or whatever, he's huge and everyone says he's mean as hell. and he'll be protecting him on Sundays for years to come.
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Zombo said:
If he was smart he would gravitate to the lineman we drafted, Brian Boitano or whatever, he's huge and everyone says he's mean as hell. and he'll be protecting him on Sundays for years to come.
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IF he, Manziel, plays similar to his college playing....he'll need those linemen to keep blocking and not quit thinking the play is dead if their guy gets by them.
I never heard Manziel have any problems with any of his teammates, or vice-versa, FWIW. He seemed to be a good teammate to everyone. At least that's the vibe I got watching him for 2 seasons.
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Would going to the memorial result in more wins come the 2014 season?
No, but wouldn't have had the negative publicity the Vegas trip did.
Starting QBs tend to be the face of the franchise. JFF aspires to be that, so, he would have been better served going to the veteran thing.
Having said that, he might have already made arrangements for the Vegas trip to hang out with some of his friends he hasn't seen in a while. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the Vegas Vacation, but the veteran thing would have been better.
Although nobody would have said a word had he went to the veterans thing, so no one would have known he went.
TyperWoods said:
No, but wouldn't have had the negative publicity the Vegas trip did.
Starting QBs tend to be the face of the franchise. JFF aspires to be that, so, he would have been better served going to the veteran thing.
Having said that, he might have already made arrangements for the Vegas trip to hang out with some of his friends he hasn't seen in a while. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the Vegas Vacation, but the veteran thing would have been better.
Although nobody would have said a word had he went to the veterans thing, so no one would have known he went.
Publicity, negative or otherwise, means nothing on the field.
I don't care if Johnny Manziel (or Hoyer, or Thigpen, or whoever) anal blasts Joel Osteen on top of the St. Louis Arch while Mary Kay Cabot fingers herself.
I also don't care if he literally never leaves his house except to drive to games on Sunday.
Win.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Do you know Pettine that well to make those claims? I know he worked under Rex Ryan who is more of a players coach and not a disciplinarian. I don’t get the vibe that he is a hard ass. I also feel like your owner did some Jerry Jones type stuff. Talking too much with the media and i believe he influenced the Manziel pick. Firing a coaching staff after one season! That’s rough.
If they can get Manziel to tone it down, i think that would be a good thing but i don’t see it happening. Do the Browns sit Johnny down and talk to him about this past weekend?
Read up on Pettine.
"Practice like a Brown".
Completely changing the culture.
Z
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TyperWoods said:
No, but wouldn't have had the negative publicity the Vegas trip did.
Starting QBs tend to be the face of the franchise. JFF aspires to be that, so, he would have been better served going to the veteran thing.
Having said that, he might have already made arrangements for the Vegas trip to hang out with some of his friends he hasn't seen in a while. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the Vegas Vacation, but the veteran thing would have been better.
Although nobody would have said a word had he went to the veterans thing, so no one would have known he went.
Publicity, negative or otherwise, means nothing on the field.
I don't care if Johnny Manziel (or Hoyer, or Thigpen, or whoever) anal blasts Joel Osteen on top of the St. Louis Arch while Mary Kay Cabot fingers herself.
I also don't care if he literally never leaves his house except to drive to games on Sunday.
Win.
Publicity, negative or otherwise, means nothing on the field.
I don't care if Johnny Manziel (or Hoyer, or Thigpen, or whoever) anal blasts Joel Osteen on top of the St. Louis Arch while Mary Kay Cabot fingers herself.
I also don't care if he literally never leaves his house except to drive to games on Sunday.
Win.
I think you're overstating it a bit, although I agree with the sentiment.
Publicity can affect things on the field, although publicity about a Vegas trip wouldn't.
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Publicity, negative or otherwise, means nothing on the field.
I don't care if Johnny Manziel (or Hoyer, or Thigpen, or whoever) anal blasts Joel Osteen on top of the St. Louis Arch while Mary Kay Cabot fingers herself.
I also don't care if he literally never leaves his house except to drive to games on Sunday.
Win.
I think you're overstating it a bit, although I agree with the sentiment.
Publicity can affect things on the field, although publicity about a Vegas trip wouldn't.
TyperWoods said:
I think you're overstating it a bit, although I agree with the sentiment.
Publicity can affect things on the field, although publicity about a Vegas trip wouldn't.
No. It really can't.
It can affect how we place the blame on terrible performance.
Brady doesn't throw a pick, walk back to the sidelines and tell Belichick "sorry, coach, I was thinking about that bit of bad publicity."
If publicity surrounding an event affected a players performance, it's probably a significant enough event that said player would still be worried regardless.
For instance, if Manziel raped a girl. Even if the papers never found out, it would probably still weigh on his performance.
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TyperWoods said:
I think you're overstating it a bit, although I agree with the sentiment.
Publicity can affect things on the field, although publicity about a Vegas trip wouldn't.
No. It really can't.
It can affect how we place the blame on terrible performance.
Brady doesn't throw a pick, walk back to the sidelines and tell Belichick "sorry, coach, I was thinking about that bit of bad publicity."
If publicity surrounding an event affected a players performance, it's probably a significant enough event that said player would still be worried regardless.
For instance, if Manziel raped a girl. Even if the papers never found out, it would probably still weigh on his performance.
No. It really can't.
It can affect how we place the blame on terrible performance.
Brady doesn't throw a pick, walk back to the sidelines and tell Belichick "sorry, coach, I was thinking about that bit of bad publicity."
If publicity surrounding an event affected a players performance, it's probably a significant enough event that said player would still be worried regardless.
For instance, if Manziel raped a girl. Even if the papers never found out, it would probably still weigh on his performance.
Never say never.
Publicity can motivate. You or your opponent.
Therefore, it can have an effect on play.
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TyperWoods said:
Hard to say. Him and Mike Evans were tight, but he was tight with Ryan Swope, a white receiver, his freshman year also. Jonathan Stewart, the former teammate he partied with in Vegas, was a linebacker. He hangs with Drake, whoever that is, and LeBron James.
If I had to guess I'd guess his best friend would be a black receiver. Maybe Gilbert?
If he was smart he would gravitate to the lineman we drafted, Brian Boitano or whatever, he's huge and everyone says he's mean as hell. and he'll be protecting him on Sundays for years to come.
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Zombo said:
If he was smart he would gravitate to the lineman we drafted, Brian Boitano or whatever, he's huge and everyone says he's mean as hell. and he'll be protecting him on Sundays for years to come.
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Billy Winn. There's a photo of Winn with his arm around Manziels shoulders posing for a photo. Then on CBD Winn was on and talked very positively about JMs personality. In the end I suspect he will have many friends on the team. Gilbert and him flew to Cleveland on the same plane and they seem to have bonded, too. There is also talk of passing chemistry between him and the new receiver Armstrong.
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There is no actual evidence that he influenced the pick other than maybe voicing that he likes Manziel. Let's think critically about that draft-room quote. Haslams words were "pull the trigger." When someone says that, it implies someone has already made a decision but not acted on it. Who made what decision? Farmer and Pettine decided they wanted to draft Manziel. All Haslam did was maybe encourage them to trade up to get him. He certainly didn't force the pick on them as the national media types would like everyone to believe.@everlastingxxx said:
Do you know Pettine that well to make those claims? I know he worked under Rex Ryan who is more of a players coach and not a disciplinarian. I dont get the vibe that he is a hard ass. I also feel like your owner did some Jerry Jones type stuff. Talking too much with the media and i believe he influenced the Manziel pick. Firing a coaching staff after one season! Thats rough.
If they can get Manziel to tone it down, i think that would be a good thing but i dont see it happening. Do the Browns sit Johnny down and talk to him about this past weekend?
I agree it's rough to fire a coaching staff after one season. Most Browns fans would also agree that Pettine/Farmer look a whole lot better right now than Lombardi/Banner/Chud. While the former are working together in unified fashion the latter were busy undermining each other last year. Haslam did the right thing and the season is going to bare that out.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Yes adjust. Adjust to being in the spotlight. Now you know what its like being a Cowboys fan. Everything being blown out of proportion by the media. Romo goes to Cabo and all hell breaks lose. You think Manziel is bad, try rooting for someone like Terrell Owens. I have been a Cowboys fan since the Danny White years. I have seen and been through it all as a fan. You think the Patriot game last year was bad, hell Cowboy fans experience that each week.
BTW, the worst you have to deal with is Johnny going to Vegas. Cowboys lost their best defensive player for the season on a non-contact drill.
No Cowboys fans blow everything out of proportion not the media. The reason being y'all believe it's your God given right for the Cowboys to win the Super Bowl every year. Is your owner responsible for fostering that belief? Of course, but y'all buy into it. I've spent enough time listening to your talk radio and it makes Steeler fans seem docile, if not civilized.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Cowboys as I became a football fan watching Emmitt and Irving tear up the NFL (Aikman is a pussy) and I'm a huge fan of Witten and especially Dez (he is a lot nicer in person than the media would lead you to believe, or at least he was in college.) However the doom and gloom the fanbase emanates is embarrassing, and this is coming from a Browns fan.
P.S the Lee injury is a shame. He's a hell of a player.
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@everlastingxxx said:
By voicing his opinions, he influenced the draft. Had Jerry Jones come out and told the homeless man story, he would have been roasted. I am not trying to defend Jones because he says plenty of stupid shit all the time.
I like the new coaches. I am a big fan of the Ryans and i think Shanny is innovative and a good fit for what they want to do with Manziel. That said, i thought the coaching staff did a decent job last year. Not bad enough to get fired after one season. A few bounces and they would have won more games. Had Hoyer stayed healthy maybe even a winning record.
Of course the owner is going to have the final say in trading up for a potential franchise QB. Influencing the pick is a different story though. I believe Haslem when he stated Farmer would have control over the roster. However, taking a polarizing QB prospect like Manziel would need the owner's seal of approval, especially in a trade up.
I'm with you on the firing of the coaching staff last year, offensively at least but the defense was a major disappointment. However a change in the FO, which was in the works before the firing of the coaching staff, more often then not results in a new coaching staff. I think we can all agree both the current and most previous regime are light years ahead of Shummur's incompetent ass.
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TyperWoods said:
No, but wouldn't have had the negative publicity the Vegas trip did.
Starting QBs tend to be the face of the franchise. JFF aspires to be that, so, he would have been better served going to the veteran thing.
Having said that, he might have already made arrangements for the Vegas trip to hang out with some of his friends he hasn't seen in a while. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the Vegas Vacation, but the veteran thing would have been better.
Although nobody would have said a word had he went to the veterans thing, so no one would have known he went.
Publicity, negative or otherwise, means nothing on the field.
I don't care if Johnny Manziel (or Hoyer, or Thigpen, or whoever) anal blasts Joel Osteen on top of the St. Louis Arch while Mary Kay Cabot fingers herself.
I also don't care if he literally never leaves his house except to drive to games on Sunday.
Win.
Publicity, negative or otherwise, means nothing on the field.
I don't care if Johnny Manziel (or Hoyer, or Thigpen, or whoever) anal blasts Joel Osteen on top of the St. Louis Arch while Mary Kay Cabot fingers herself.
I also don't care if he literally never leaves his house except to drive to games on Sunday.
Win.
I can't help but picture some little kid watching a game at Busch Stadium with his dad in the nosebleeds with binoculars.
"Dad what are those people doing on top of the Arch?"
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