Latest round of OTA interviews
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I don't even care about his vacation that much. My dislike of JF started with the NCAA violations and how he handled them. It continues now thanks to posters that think he is football Jesus
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Some interesting little bits coming out of the interviews:
- Manziel checked with Pettine and the appropriate people whether he was OK to Vegas; Pettine said 'have fun'
- Gilbert's injury not serious
- Jim O'Neill is very impressed on the DL with Rubin, Bryant, Taylor, impressed with Billy Winn and John Hughes, and also...Calvin Barnett? Never heard of the guy, but I guess we may be seeing some of him. UDFA out of Ok. State, 6-2, 347lbs.
- Shanahan again talking about the play action being a big part of the offense. I hope you all watching a run heavy offense, it looks like we're going to run to set up the run, then throw in some play action and the occasional pocket passing. Sounds like it's designed for a run happy QB...
- Dansby, who has been missing so far, has a slight injury that he's dealing with elsewhere, since these OTAs are voluntary. I'd rather he was there, and it seemed like Pettine wasn't happy with him not being there. But then, Pettine doesn't seem happy ever.
Edit: Originally had Kirksey as the one missing, apparently it's Dansby.
Some interesting little bits coming out of the interviews...
Even more that the "tidbits" it was good to hear from more coaches and players than at least I had heard from before. Foremost among these to my ear were O'Neil and Whitner.
Loved O'Neil's bit on the "How to" video where five years of Jets/Bills D is slowly being replaced by footage of Browns OTA video. And just flat loved Whitner's entire interview. Just got a feeling that our D is in very good hands.
OK, maybe run happy isn't what I meant. It means we're looking at 'mobile' QBs - guys who can sell the play fake and then get out in to the space quickly enough to buy themselves time to find the downfield receiver or, if there's space, pick up an easy first down. Not quite read option, but I remember Hoyer excelling at that last year (I think?) and Manziel seems very suited to it.
Agree on both appraisals, but even more importantly so it seems does young Shanahan, who also gave a fine interview.
"We ask our quarterbacks to move, but the best year I had personally calling plays in our bootleg game was with Matt Schaub and he is not a very mobile QB. Sometimes when I had some more mobile guys defenses play it a little bit more. They're more scared of it so it's not there as much. You do have to have a certain ability. You have to be able to move better than most of us, but you don't necessarily have to run a 4.4 to be successful and move in the pocket."
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I don't even care about his vacation that much. My dislike of JF started with the NCAA violations and how he handled them. It continues now thanks to posters that think he is football Jesus
I don't even care about his vacation that much. My dislike of JF started with the NCAA violations and how he handled them. It continues now thanks to posters that think he is football Jesus
What NCAA violations?
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So lets get a football question out of this:
In Kevin Jones' article cited on page 1 of OTA's thread he says, "But boy, there were some throws that should have Browns fans giddy about the future of this team. In particular during a red-zone set, Manziel bootlegged hard towards the right sideline and found a streakingJordan Cameron
, all the way in the left side of the end zone." So here is the question--Was that from the playbook or was that a creative play by JM and Cameran off the called play? Most people think sprinting the QB to the R cuts the field down to 1/3 so why would a throw to the L endzone be in the playbooK? Did the Browns ever run that play last year or did RGIII ever use it under Kyle?
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God, I hope not. The last thing I want in a playbook is a planned redzone cross-field pass...
OK maybe if the QB ends up being the receiver. Thigpen caught one such pass at KC.
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Some interesting little bits coming out of the interviews...
Even more that the "tidbits" it was good to hear from more coaches and players than at least I had heard from before. Foremost among these to my ear were O'Neil and Whitner.
Loved O'Neil's bit on the "How to" video where five years of Jets/Bills D is slowly being replaced by footage of Browns OTA video. And just flat loved Whitner's entire interview. Just got a feeling that our D is in very good hands.
OK, maybe run happy isn't what I meant. It means we're looking at 'mobile' QBs - guys who can sell the play fake and then get out in to the space quickly enough to buy themselves time to find the downfield receiver or, if there's space, pick up an easy first down. Not quite read option, but I remember Hoyer excelling at that last year (I think?) and Manziel seems very suited to it.
Agree on both appraisals, but even more importantly so it seems does young Shanahan, who also gave a fine interview.
"We ask our quarterbacks to move, but the best year I had personally calling plays in our bootleg game was with Matt Schaub and he is not a very mobile QB. Sometimes when I had some more mobile guys defenses play it a little bit more. They're more scared of it so it's not there as much. You do have to have a certain ability. You have to be able to move better than most of us, but you don't necessarily have to run a 4.4 to be successful and move in the pocket."
Even more that the "tidbits" it was good to hear from more coaches and players than at least I had heard from before. Foremost among these to my ear were O'Neil and Whitner.
Loved O'Neil's bit on the "How to" video where five years of Jets/Bills D is slowly being replaced by footage of Browns OTA video. And just flat loved Whitner's entire interview. Just got a feeling that our D is in very good hands.
I enjoyed all the videos and my favorites were O'Neil & Whitner. The more videos I see, the more impressed I am with the unity on this Browns' Team. There is something very special being built here.
Mike
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Did the Browns ever run that play last year or did RGIII ever use it under Kyle?[/size][/font][/color]
God, I hope not. The last thing I want in a playbook is a planned redzone cross-field pass...
OK maybe if the QB ends up being the receiver. Thigpen caught one such pass at KC.
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ugh.
we all know he went out to vegas. yes we all would have done the same. that's not the point.
the point is would you bitch about the media when all you've done is call the media upon yourself to promote yourself and 'your brand'.
get it?
so if a shake a bees next, not bees will come out to sting me....right?
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The whole "signing things for money" may have helped as well....
... Then doing to "show me the money sign" all the time. Basically saying "The NCAA knows it is in their best interest to ignore that whole ruke breaking thing. I'm gonna flaunt that shit. Some will call it 'moxy', 'swagger', etc. I'm the best"
Just saying, he's not exactly "Poor old JF" just trying to live his life and play football.
If only Dez Bryant was that lucky...
The whole "signing things for money" may have helped as well....
... Then doing to "show me the money sign" all the time. Basically saying "The NCAA knows it is in their best interest to ignore that whole ruke breaking thing. I'm gonna flaunt that shit. Some will call it 'moxy', 'swagger', etc. I'm the best"
Just saying, he's not exactly "Poor old JF" just trying to live his life and play football.
If only Dez Bryant was that lucky...
That's not what the "money sign" means but I agree with your sentiment on the NCAA. Dez did luck out, the OSU allegations didn't come out until after he was drafted, although they weren't much for allegations. College kids in a small town where the population doubles when schools in session drink, fuck, and smoke in access? That's just unheard of. Hell I got shit canned and laid on my overnight visit to OSU and my highest athletic achievement was B league intramurals.
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Dez had dinner with Deion Sanders then lied to the NCAA about it and got a 10 game (the rest of the season) suspension...
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I don't even care about his vacation that much. My dislike of JF started with the NCAA violations and how he handled them. It continues now thanks to posters that think he is football Jesus
What NCAA violations?
TyperWoods said:
What NCAA violations?
The whole signing autographs for money thing. He got suspended for 1 half. So the NCAA was sort of admitting he did something, but then wasn't that punished. Texas A&M totally said they had no evidence though... So...
I'm guessing Auburn didn't have any evidence about Can either (though these aren't equal in severity)
The whole thing just played to the pattern of the NCAA ignoring or giving out weak punishments to their powerhouse teams. Especially in their darling conference, the SEC.
There are plenty of instances of the NCAA just fucking up investigations and sanctions though. I'd love for them to go through all of the SEC schools (and every other) and actually clean up the dirty side of the sport and recruiting. Instituting national rules for recruiting, instead of each conference doing their own thing (with some less strict than others) would be great too.
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I understand that the NCAA got Dez for lying, but I don't understand why it was illegal to talk to Dion Sanders. Is he now an agent?
Kyler Murray, 5* QB considered the nations best this coming year, says he has talked to JM before committing to Texas A&M 2 days ago. If he called to get the opinion of the former Heisman trophy winner, does that make it illegal? That would seem pretty far fetched, even for the NCAA.
I found this article so apparently it is a violation-how silly can you get!
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I'm not even sure if the dinner itself was illegal. Or maybe Deion was considered a booster?
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Dinner with Deon wasn't illegal.
Dez lying about it was what got him in trouble.
As for the NCAA, they couldn't prove anything so they suspended him for 1 half so they wouldnt have to open the Bridgewater/Clowney/Boyd can of worms of them doing the same thing. Hate the NCAA for that, not JFF.
I agree the NCAA is not a just organization.
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I understand that the NCAA got Dez for lying, but I don't understand why it was illegal to talk to Dion Sanders. Is he now an agent?
Kyler Murray, 5* QB considered the nations best this coming year, says he has talked to JM before committing to Texas A&M 2 days ago. If he called to get the opinion of the former Heisman trophy winner, does that make it illegal? That would seem pretty far fetched, even for the NCAA.
I found this article so apparently it is a violation-how silly can you get!
Is Aggie legend Kevin Murray illegal for Kyler to talk to also? LOL.I understand that the NCAA got Dez for lying, but I don't understand why it was illegal to talk to Dion Sanders. Is he now an agent?
Kyler Murray, 5* QB considered the nations best this coming year, says he has talked to JM before committing to Texas A&M 2 days ago. If he called to get the opinion of the former Heisman trophy winner, does that make it illegal? That would seem pretty far fetched, even for the NCAA.
I found this article so apparently it is a violation-how silly can you get!
Kevin is Kylers father.
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I understand that the NCAA got Dez for lying, but I don't understand why it was illegal to talk to Dion Sanders. Is he now an agent?
Kyler Murray, 5* QB considered the nations best this coming year, says he has talked to JM before committing to Texas A&M 2 days ago. If he called to get the opinion of the former Heisman trophy winner, does that make it illegal? That would seem pretty far fetched, even for the NCAA.
I found this article so apparently it is a violation-how silly can you get!
I understand that the NCAA got Dez for lying, but I don't understand why it was illegal to talk to Dion Sanders. Is he now an agent?
and what makes someone illegal to talk to? former players? someone connected to the school (alums)?
stupid. i guess if the ncaa feels that the player is somehow looking to make money off of something in the present or future, it is wrong.
a lot of us buckeye fans still have a bad taste in our mouth with the ncaa.
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Dez had dinner with Deion Sanders then lied to the NCAA about it and got a 10 game (the rest of the season) suspension...
Dez had dinner with Deion Sanders then lied to the NCAA about it and got a 10 game (the rest of the season) suspension...
Damn I forgot about that. I must've blocked that one out.
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I understand that the NCAA got Dez for lying, but I don't understand why it was illegal to talk to Dion Sanders. Is he now an agent?
and what makes someone illegal to talk to? former players? someone connected to the school (alums)?
stupid. i guess if the ncaa feels that the player is somehow looking to make money off of something in the present or future, it is wrong.
a lot of us buckeye fans still have a bad taste in our mouth with the ncaa.
and what makes someone illegal to talk to? former players? someone connected to the school (alums)?
stupid. i guess if the ncaa feels that the player is somehow looking to make money off of something in the present or future, it is wrong.
a lot of us buckeye fans still have a bad taste in our mouth with the ncaa.
The selling memorabilia rule is kind of dumb, I agree. Pryor just bounced anyway though.
The real damage was done by Tressel playing players he knew were ineligible then lying to the NCAA about it. Considering Tressels track record at OSU (and YSU) before that point, I'd say your punishment wasn't that bad
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and what makes someone illegal to talk to? former players? someone connected to the school (alums)?
stupid. i guess if the ncaa feels that the player is somehow looking to make money off of something in the present or future, it is wrong.
a lot of us buckeye fans still have a bad taste in our mouth with the ncaa.
The selling memorabilia rule is kind of dumb, I agree. Pryor just bounced anyway though.
The real damage was done by Tressel playing players he knew were ineligible then lying to the NCAA about it. Considering Tressels track record at OSU (and YSU) before that point, I'd say your punishment wasn't that bad
Considering Tressels track record at OSU (and YSU) before that point, I'd say your punishment wasn't that bad
i liked what he did at YSU and OSU even though he ignored a lot of shit going on right under his nose. the guy was a winner you can't argue that. give me any coach in college football and i'm sure we could dredge up some shit that isn't kosher.
but all in all you're right about the punishemnet. plus we got myer now. another straight-laced do it by the books coach (lol).
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I appreciate the lol in parentheses there.... Haha
I'm not on the side to say "so what, we won games. That's all that matters". I want to do it the "right way". Or at least "more right" then some powerhouses now
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