Obama kills the coal industry
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What do we replace coal with? Nuclear power? I used to think it was a good option, not any more. Not after learning more about Fukushima and the cover up going on there. Solar energy? Energy panel roads? Please, tell me. Not something that will take 100 years to complete, but something that can be done relatively quickly.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Pennsylvania Dutch saying: Use it up, wear it out make it do.
WSS
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What do we replace coal with? Nuclear power? I used to think it was a good option, not any more. Not after learning more about Fukushima and the cover up going on there. Solar energy? Energy panel roads? Please, tell me. Not something that will take 100 years to complete, but something that can be done relatively quickly.
What do we replace coal with? Nuclear power? I used to think it was a good option, not any more. Not after learning more about Fukushima and the cover up going on there. Solar energy? Energy panel roads? Please, tell me. Not something that will take 100 years to complete, but something that can be done relatively quickly.
And the need for something to be done 'relatively quickly' - because we've known about the problem for decades and done basically nothing about it on any great level. I don't know the answers, I'm not that kind of scientist. But just because I don't know, doesn't mean I assume it doesn't (or does) exist. Nuclear power has a relatively more sustainable source, but there's the question of what to do with the waste. Solar and wind energy are probably going to be the way to go, but it needs more investment to get it to a point where it becomes a feasible alternative.
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Nobody knows when coal and oil will run out.
It's also estimated that the coal resources may be good for 350 years.
You can't force new, affordable tech to explode onto the scene, just because
you try to put the old but good resources out of business.
Sustainable? Nuclear power puts out waste, solar power is fine, but expensive,
and quite frankly, some places don't get that much sun.
Yes, we all want some new special super duper energy source to rely on.
There isn't one. When there is, we'll all flock to it.
In the meantime, the liberals want control over people, and $$$$$$$$$$$ from mmgw, and energy,
and water, ...the list is endless. This inyourface, immediate crisis we have to control get rid of, tax, fine, fee, license
and control stuff is bs.
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Hey, I'm shocked! Cal disagrees with me. Nobody knows when resources will run out? Technically true; it'll be difficult to pin down an actual day. But we know how much *discovered* fossil fuel there is in the ground still - not to say there won't be more, but there isn't some other giant underground lake spanning a continent or we'd know about it by now, most likely there are pockets as yet undiscovered but that won't change things hugely. We also know the rate we're using the fual at - and have been using over the last 100 years, and we are able to project future usage. So with those two pieces of information we can make an informed guess - ZOMG HE SAID GUESS, IT'S ALL WRONG!!!! - as to when it'll run out.
It may be sooner than we think, it may be later than we think. But we need to be prepared for when it does happen. And hey, if it produces cleaner air, that's only going to be good for my lungs and that pesky little global warming thing those libs are always going on about should go away.
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It is going to run out. You may not care because you'll be worm food, hell I might be too by then, but you can't keep pushing it off. We need to downplay some of our greed, make a few sacrifices, and actually plan for the future.
I still think nuclear power is the way to go. It is our best option to produce the amount of energy we need. It is "scary" to the public though, and the ignorance of the general public will hold us back.
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Let's figure that eventually, some century, it runs out.
My beef with the alarmism, is that politically, it's being used
to screw over people now.
And make money in the process.
Otherwise, why put coal companies out of business NOW, before the tech
catches up?
I'll tell ya why. Political power and control. And money. Bush talked about
a hydrogen car one day. Reagan talked about star wars defense systems.
They were both forever ridiculed about it.
But you let Obamao talk about hydrogen cars, and all the little nitwit woodys
will be on board on every forum overnight.
It's politics. And investments. Now. That's why there are lib crises. The "sky is falling" (so vote
for my liberal party's stuff)........the "sky is falling" (so let us tax, fee, fine, all of you so we can get
more money to buy votes from our voting block).
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It is going to run out. You may not care because you'll be worm food, hell I might be too by then, but you can't keep pushing it off. We need to downplay some of our greed, make a few sacrifices, and actually plan for the future.
I still think nuclear power is the way to go. It is our best option to produce the amount of energy we need. It is "scary" to the public though, and the ignorance of the general public will hold us back.
nuclear natural gas light emitting diodes and wind turbines solve a huge piece of the problem.It is going to run out. You may not care because you'll be worm food, hell I might be too by then, but you can't keep pushing it off. We need to downplay some of our greed, make a few sacrifices, and actually plan for the future.
I still think nuclear power is the way to go. It is our best option to produce the amount of energy we need. It is "scary" to the public though, and the ignorance of the general public will hold us back.
(it won't do anything for worldwide global warming but it'll make energy a lot easier to deal with)
WSS
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Cal, I wasn't around when Reagan was president. I was like 14 when Bush was. Don't do your stupid "all libs do this" speech to refer to me. You're wrong and it makes you look like an idiot.
You use regulations and taxes to help jump start the development for these technologies. You make them financially feasible so companies start working on them. The free market and capitalism aren't perfect. If we left it unregulated no one would do anything other than non renewable resources until it was too late. We'd be screwed. It would make business sense along the way, but it wouldn't be what's best for society as a whole
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Well for one I wouldn't advocate for building a nuclear powerplant where tsunamis could hit it and I wouldn't advocate for building it on a fault line...
I'd also want the plants to actually be up to date instead of old ass power plants that have been renewed in their operation countless times.
I still believe nuclear power is our best bet to create the energy we need with limited environmental impact. Further research into the subject will lead to better ways to handle the waste. Though treating it as a waste and sealing it up works now, there is a possibility to use this waste as fuel itself, creating more energy. Fusion Reactors are also currently being researched, which could be huge as well.
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Nuclear power is a waste of time, literally. Poison the earth, the air and everything else.
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Tell that to France. It seems to be working out pretty well for them.
GreenPeace DieHard over here should stick to facts, not scare tactics.
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Tell that to France. It seems to be working out pretty well for them.
GreenPeace DieHard over here should stick to facts, not scare tactics.
Tell that to France. It seems to be working out pretty well for them.
GreenPeace DieHard over here should stick to facts, not scare tactics.
Ha, okay kid. Of course you don't have the brains to be a nuclear engineer, do you?
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Well, we get 40 percent of our energy from coal in the USA.
1) So 60% will be gone within the lifetime of members of this small group of political board regulars? I get that it's not necessarily a problem for the 'wiser' members of the board
but it is for some of us. And your family as well.2) What happens when it runs out? Wouldn't you rather the world (or America if it makes you feel better about it) be in a position to move to a sustainable energy source before the oil and gas runs out before the end of this century? And thus avoid any potential catastrophe that might come about because of it.
1) So 60% will be gone within the lifetime of members of this small group of political board regulars? I get that it's not necessarily a problem for the 'wiser' members of the board
but it is for some of us. And your family as well.2) What happens when it runs out? Wouldn't you rather the world (or America if it makes you feel better about it) be in a position to move to a sustainable energy source before the oil and gas runs out before the end of this century? And thus avoid any potential catastrophe that might come about because of it.
All well and good Chris....that all sounds great, but what are we going to use that is of comprable cost and comprable Btu's?
That's where it falls apart. I mean, if frogs had wings, they could fly.
I mean I am assuming you are against nuclear
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I was planning on getting my nuclear engineering degree when I was looking at colleges. I took the PSAT and checked off Nuclear Engineering. Bad idea because the Navy wouldn't leave me alone. They offered a lot of money but months at a time on a carrier sounded awful. Turns out you tell them you have asthma and the leave you alone (this also worked at our lunch table in High School. We told the vulture army recruiters the same thing and they left us alone). I thought I was going to do Nuclear for the first semester plus, even joined ANS, but the the Japan thing happened. I went to a town hall meeting held by nuclear engineering professors and people in the industry and they felt it would push the nuclear power industry back 10 years. That made me reconsider some things and I realized a NE degree would be way too specialized. So I switched to Mechanical and it worked out great. I was able to work anywhere in the US I wanted and at damn near any company I wanted.
(My dad also got his NE degree from Cincy. Right before his graduation was 3 Mile Island though and that hurt the industry. He ended up taking over his father's real estate business and has been successful. His old books and experiences definitely began my interest in NE (or engineering in general)
Nuclear Engineering definitely sounds more impressive than Mechanical Engineering, though it really isn't. There are few tiers of engineering, as far as difficulty, but these really are comparable. Just different material.
Of course, you say I don't have the brains to be a Nuclear Engineer (which is hilarious because you probably have no idea what you're talking about)... I'm not sure you have the brains to be the manager at a McDonalds
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I was planning on getting my nuclear engineering degree when I was looking at colleges. I took the PSAT and checked off Nuclear Engineering. Bad idea because the Navy wouldn't leave me alone. They offered a lot of money but months at a time on a carrier sounded awful. Turns out you tell them you have asthma and the leave you alone (this also worked at our lunch table in High School. We told the vulture army recruiters the same thing and they left us alone). I thought I was going to do Nuclear for the first semester plus, even joined ANS, but the the Japan thing happened. I went to a town hall meeting held by nuclear engineering professors and people in the industry and they felt it would push the nuclear power industry back 10 years. That made me reconsider some things and I realized a NE degree would be way too specialized. So I switched to Mechanical and it worked out great. I was able to work anywhere in the US I wanted and at damn near any company I wanted.
(My dad also got his NE degree from Cincy. Right before his graduation was 3 Mile Island though and that hurt the industry. He ended up taking over his father's real estate business and has been successful. His old books and experiences definitely began my interest in NE (or engineering in general)
Nuclear Engineering definitely sounds more impressive than Mechanical Engineering, though it really isn't. There are few tiers of engineering, as far as difficulty, but these really are comparable. Just different material.
Of course, you say I don't have the brains to be a Nuclear Engineer (which is hilarious because you probably have no idea what you're talking about)... I'm not sure you have the brains to be the manager at a McDonalds
I was planning on getting my nuclear engineering degree when I was looking at colleges. I took the PSAT and checked off Nuclear Engineering. Bad idea because the Navy wouldn't leave me alone. They offered a lot of money but months at a time on a carrier sounded awful. Turns out you tell them you have asthma and the leave you alone (this also worked at our lunch table in High School. We told the vulture army recruiters the same thing and they left us alone). I thought I was going to do Nuclear for the first semester plus, even joined ANS, but the the Japan thing happened. I went to a town hall meeting held by nuclear engineering professors and people in the industry and they felt it would push the nuclear power industry back 10 years. That made me reconsider some things and I realized a NE degree would be way too specialized. So I switched to Mechanical and it worked out great. I was able to work anywhere in the US I wanted and at damn near any company I wanted.
(My dad also got his NE degree from Cincy. Right before his graduation was 3 Mile Island though and that hurt the industry. He ended up taking over his father's real estate business and has been successful. His old books and experiences definitely began my interest in NE (or engineering in general)
Nuclear Engineering definitely sounds more impressive than Mechanical Engineering, though it really isn't. There are few tiers of engineering, as far as difficulty, but these really are comparable. Just different material.
Of course, you say I don't have the brains to be a Nuclear Engineer... I'm not sure you have the brains to be the manager at a McDonalds
Well, of all the services only the Navy offers nuclear training.
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Yes, and they offered very large signing bonuses and a high starting pay scale. The whole situation still sounded awful though.
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Only Submarines and Carriers have nuclear power now.
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Hydro electric is still an option. All you need is a river. There are turbines you can just let float (cabled of course) in a stream in your backyard and generate electric. Large scale dams should still be viable. What about fish/salmon? Build a stepped spillway off to the side that they can swim and jump up.
Solar and wind are becoming much more viable because of increases in battery technology. An electric car battery fully charged can power a normal home for a few days.
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