Obama kills the coal industry
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Cal, I wasn't around when Reagan was president. I was like 14 when Bush was. Don't do your stupid "all libs do this" speech to refer to me. You're wrong and it makes you look like an idiot.
You use regulations and taxes to help jump start the development for these technologies. You make them financially feasible so companies start working on them. The free market and capitalism aren't perfect. If we left it unregulated no one would do anything other than non renewable resources until it was too late. We'd be screwed. It would make business sense along the way, but it wouldn't be what's best for society as a whole
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Well for one I wouldn't advocate for building a nuclear powerplant where tsunamis could hit it and I wouldn't advocate for building it on a fault line...
I'd also want the plants to actually be up to date instead of old ass power plants that have been renewed in their operation countless times.
I still believe nuclear power is our best bet to create the energy we need with limited environmental impact. Further research into the subject will lead to better ways to handle the waste. Though treating it as a waste and sealing it up works now, there is a possibility to use this waste as fuel itself, creating more energy. Fusion Reactors are also currently being researched, which could be huge as well.
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Nuclear power is a waste of time, literally. Poison the earth, the air and everything else.
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Tell that to France. It seems to be working out pretty well for them.
GreenPeace DieHard over here should stick to facts, not scare tactics.
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Tell that to France. It seems to be working out pretty well for them.
GreenPeace DieHard over here should stick to facts, not scare tactics.
Tell that to France. It seems to be working out pretty well for them.
GreenPeace DieHard over here should stick to facts, not scare tactics.
Ha, okay kid. Of course you don't have the brains to be a nuclear engineer, do you?
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Well, we get 40 percent of our energy from coal in the USA.
1) So 60% will be gone within the lifetime of members of this small group of political board regulars? I get that it's not necessarily a problem for the 'wiser' members of the board
but it is for some of us. And your family as well.2) What happens when it runs out? Wouldn't you rather the world (or America if it makes you feel better about it) be in a position to move to a sustainable energy source before the oil and gas runs out before the end of this century? And thus avoid any potential catastrophe that might come about because of it.
1) So 60% will be gone within the lifetime of members of this small group of political board regulars? I get that it's not necessarily a problem for the 'wiser' members of the board
but it is for some of us. And your family as well.2) What happens when it runs out? Wouldn't you rather the world (or America if it makes you feel better about it) be in a position to move to a sustainable energy source before the oil and gas runs out before the end of this century? And thus avoid any potential catastrophe that might come about because of it.
All well and good Chris....that all sounds great, but what are we going to use that is of comprable cost and comprable Btu's?
That's where it falls apart. I mean, if frogs had wings, they could fly.
I mean I am assuming you are against nuclear
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I was planning on getting my nuclear engineering degree when I was looking at colleges. I took the PSAT and checked off Nuclear Engineering. Bad idea because the Navy wouldn't leave me alone. They offered a lot of money but months at a time on a carrier sounded awful. Turns out you tell them you have asthma and the leave you alone (this also worked at our lunch table in High School. We told the vulture army recruiters the same thing and they left us alone). I thought I was going to do Nuclear for the first semester plus, even joined ANS, but the the Japan thing happened. I went to a town hall meeting held by nuclear engineering professors and people in the industry and they felt it would push the nuclear power industry back 10 years. That made me reconsider some things and I realized a NE degree would be way too specialized. So I switched to Mechanical and it worked out great. I was able to work anywhere in the US I wanted and at damn near any company I wanted.
(My dad also got his NE degree from Cincy. Right before his graduation was 3 Mile Island though and that hurt the industry. He ended up taking over his father's real estate business and has been successful. His old books and experiences definitely began my interest in NE (or engineering in general)
Nuclear Engineering definitely sounds more impressive than Mechanical Engineering, though it really isn't. There are few tiers of engineering, as far as difficulty, but these really are comparable. Just different material.
Of course, you say I don't have the brains to be a Nuclear Engineer (which is hilarious because you probably have no idea what you're talking about)... I'm not sure you have the brains to be the manager at a McDonalds
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I was planning on getting my nuclear engineering degree when I was looking at colleges. I took the PSAT and checked off Nuclear Engineering. Bad idea because the Navy wouldn't leave me alone. They offered a lot of money but months at a time on a carrier sounded awful. Turns out you tell them you have asthma and the leave you alone (this also worked at our lunch table in High School. We told the vulture army recruiters the same thing and they left us alone). I thought I was going to do Nuclear for the first semester plus, even joined ANS, but the the Japan thing happened. I went to a town hall meeting held by nuclear engineering professors and people in the industry and they felt it would push the nuclear power industry back 10 years. That made me reconsider some things and I realized a NE degree would be way too specialized. So I switched to Mechanical and it worked out great. I was able to work anywhere in the US I wanted and at damn near any company I wanted.
(My dad also got his NE degree from Cincy. Right before his graduation was 3 Mile Island though and that hurt the industry. He ended up taking over his father's real estate business and has been successful. His old books and experiences definitely began my interest in NE (or engineering in general)
Nuclear Engineering definitely sounds more impressive than Mechanical Engineering, though it really isn't. There are few tiers of engineering, as far as difficulty, but these really are comparable. Just different material.
Of course, you say I don't have the brains to be a Nuclear Engineer (which is hilarious because you probably have no idea what you're talking about)... I'm not sure you have the brains to be the manager at a McDonalds
I was planning on getting my nuclear engineering degree when I was looking at colleges. I took the PSAT and checked off Nuclear Engineering. Bad idea because the Navy wouldn't leave me alone. They offered a lot of money but months at a time on a carrier sounded awful. Turns out you tell them you have asthma and the leave you alone (this also worked at our lunch table in High School. We told the vulture army recruiters the same thing and they left us alone). I thought I was going to do Nuclear for the first semester plus, even joined ANS, but the the Japan thing happened. I went to a town hall meeting held by nuclear engineering professors and people in the industry and they felt it would push the nuclear power industry back 10 years. That made me reconsider some things and I realized a NE degree would be way too specialized. So I switched to Mechanical and it worked out great. I was able to work anywhere in the US I wanted and at damn near any company I wanted.
(My dad also got his NE degree from Cincy. Right before his graduation was 3 Mile Island though and that hurt the industry. He ended up taking over his father's real estate business and has been successful. His old books and experiences definitely began my interest in NE (or engineering in general)
Nuclear Engineering definitely sounds more impressive than Mechanical Engineering, though it really isn't. There are few tiers of engineering, as far as difficulty, but these really are comparable. Just different material.
Of course, you say I don't have the brains to be a Nuclear Engineer... I'm not sure you have the brains to be the manager at a McDonalds
Well, of all the services only the Navy offers nuclear training.
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Yes, and they offered very large signing bonuses and a high starting pay scale. The whole situation still sounded awful though.
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Only Submarines and Carriers have nuclear power now.
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Hydro electric is still an option. All you need is a river. There are turbines you can just let float (cabled of course) in a stream in your backyard and generate electric. Large scale dams should still be viable. What about fish/salmon? Build a stepped spillway off to the side that they can swim and jump up.
Solar and wind are becoming much more viable because of increases in battery technology. An electric car battery fully charged can power a normal home for a few days.
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Hydro electric is still an option. All you need is a river. There are turbines you can just let float (cabled of course) in a stream in your backyard and generate electric. Large scale dams should still be viable. What about fish/salmon? Build a stepped spillway off to the side that they can swim and jump up.
Solar and wind are becoming much more viable because of increases in battery technology. An electric car battery fully charged can power a normal home for a few days.
that's hard to believe. I don't know but it doesn't sem right...Hydro electric is still an option. All you need is a river. There are turbines you can just let float (cabled of course) in a stream in your backyard and generate electric. Large scale dams should still be viable. What about fish/salmon? Build a stepped spillway off to the side that they can swim and jump up.
Solar and wind are becoming much more viable because of increases in battery technology. An electric car battery fully charged can power a normal home for a few days.
as far as a wind turbine vs hydroelectric there are a lot more houses with wind above than there are by fast running streams.
WSS
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Steve, think about how much energy it would take to move 2 tons 60 miles at an average of 40 mph and it becomes less hard to believe.
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That does make it seem more likely. Just seems to me as a lot of constant pressure especially in the case electric heat in the winter or AC on a hot day.
Then again plenty of things tend to confound me.
WSS
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Just watched the latest Cosmos - I had to laugh, they basically took every climate change denial point/question and proved it wrong.
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Just watched the latest Cosmos - I had to laugh, they basically took every climate change denial point/question and proved it wrong.
Just watched the latest Cosmos - I had to laugh, they basically took every climate change denial point/question and proved it wrong.
Well good.
When are we going to die?
(should I fill up the gas tank today or not?)
WSS
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Well good.
When are we going to die?
(should I fill up the gas tank today or not?)
WSS
Did you actually watch it? It's not about saying we're going to die. It's saying that the level of CO2 in the air is increasing as a direct consequence of human activity. This has a knock on effect of warming and crazy weather. Eventually, if we do nothing about it, bad (worse) stuff will happen - Venus used to be like earth at one point, and then there was a build up of CO2 in the atmosphere that caused the warming.
We can still stop this from happening - not immediately, it's a massive thing to turn around, but it's still possible.
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Well good.
When are we going to die?
(should I fill up the gas tank today or not?)
WSS
Did you actually watch it? It's not about saying we're going to die. It's saying that the level of CO2 in the air is increasing as a direct consequence of human activity. This has a knock on effect of warming and crazy weather. Eventually, if we do nothing about it, bad (worse) stuff will happen - Venus used to be like earth at one point, and then there was a build up of CO2 in the atmosphere that caused the warming.
We can still stop this from happening - not immediately, it's a massive thing to turn around, but it's still possible.
No I didn't watch it. If I had I wouldn't have asked you, right? Anyway like I said before I saw one episode whilst channel surfing and it was kind of a junior high lecture about global warming saving the planet etcetera.Did you actually watch it? It's not about saying we're going to die. It's saying that the level of CO2 in the air is increasing as a direct consequence of human activity. This has a knock on effect of warming and crazy weather. Eventually, if we do nothing about it, bad (worse) stuff will happen - Venus used to be like earth at one point, and then there was a build up of CO2 in the atmosphere that caused the warming.
We can still stop this from happening - not immediately, it's a massive thing to turn around, but it's still possible.
so apparently that is a repeated?
And one more time, just for the record, I certainly think the climate is changing some degree and assume mankind has some effect.
WSS
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No I didn't watch it. If I had I wouldn't have asked you, right? Anyway like I said before I saw one episode whilst channel surfing and it was kind of a junior high lecture about global warming saving the planet etcetera.Did you actually watch it? It's not about saying we're going to die. It's saying that the level of CO2 in the air is increasing as a direct consequence of human activity. This has a knock on effect of warming and crazy weather. Eventually, if we do nothing about it, bad (worse) stuff will happen - Venus used to be like earth at one point, and then there was a build up of CO2 in the atmosphere that caused the warming.
We can still stop this from happening - not immediately, it's a massive thing to turn around, but it's still possible.
so apparently that is a repeated?
And one more time, just for the record, I certainly think the climate is changing some degree and assume mankind has some effect.
WSS
No I didn't watch it. If I had I wouldn't have asked you, right? Anyway like I said before I saw one episode whilst channel surfing and it was kind of a junior high lecture about global warming saving the planet etcetera.
so apparently that is a repeated?
And one more time, just for the record, certainly think the climate is changing some degree and assume mankind has some effect.
WSS
Right, they're appealing to the mainstream, and the mainstream level of science intellect is junior high - I'd make some joke about it being lower in other states, but it's been done to death.
It's been mentioned in passing, but this is a whole episode dedicated to examining the evidence, predictions and reality, along with the 'comeback' questions you come across most often. It's a bit political, sure, but the fact that there are still people that need convincing, making it controversial/political astounds me.
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